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Old Jan 6, 2010, 03:42 AM   #5901
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hehehe yea plus he was using liquid nitrogen... http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/71.gif You didn't sell the megahalem did you? Will it work on AM3?
It will work, they sell the mount kit for it. I have it on the QX for now.
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I wish you luck CP

I hope Thursday gets here fast so i can get my other cruncher back.also i maybe picking up another board and Celly D 3.6ghz. It uses DDR ram and AGP. I was told i can have it for free but has some bent pins on the socket I think if i sit down with a needle i can take care of them.
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I hope Thursday gets here fast so i can get my other cruncher back.also i maybe picking up another board and Celly D 3.6ghz. It uses DDR ram and AGP. I was told i can have it for free but has some bent pins on the socket I think if i sit down with a needle i can take care of them.
You can try running a credit card through the rows of pins to straighten it out. That's how I did a 9950 that I accidentally bent pins on.
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You can try running a credit card through the rows of pins to straighten it out. That's how I did a 9950 that I accidentally bent pins on.
This is pretty easy on CPUs, but fixing the pins in an LGA socket is very hard
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Right. I forgot about the pins being on the board
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It will work, they sell the mount kit for it. I have it on the QX for now.
What temps and clocks are you getting on the QX with it?
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All defaults. Like 38 hottest core coolest 28. The lap Job on that CPU is kinda bad, but won't complain. It was donated or the cause.
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got my client back up and running late last night, should start to see some results coming in now.
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got my client back up and running late last night, should start to see some results coming in now.
Awesome, if you give me your CPU speed and OS (X32 or X64) I'll give you a PPD estimate
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my internet is bugged, due to a bad provider... (sons of bitches)
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Q9650 at stock, 64bit

think it's around 2500PPD
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Hope you get it fixed soon VW
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You can try running a credit card through the rows of pins to straighten it out. That's how I did a 9950 that I accidentally bent pins on.
An empty mechanical pencil works good for isolating single pins by capturing the pin in the tip.
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think it's around 2500PPD
My estimator says ~2k PPD, I may need to update it if the results are this different
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You can try running a credit card through the rows of pins to straighten it out. That's how I did a 9950 that I accidentally bent pins on.
thanks for the ideas all of you.I am going to try the way i am used to first then move on to some other way. I have no idea how bad the pins are damaged as i haven't seen the board
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My main rig has been crunching for a solid day now, and my other about 12 hours, yet nothing is showing up on my page. What's up? I've completed about 4 "units" or whatever they're called on my main puter and the other is still working on its first set of 3.
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My main rig has been crunching for a solid day now, and my other about 12 hours, yet nothing is showing up on my page. What's up? I've completed about 4 "units" or whatever they're called on my main puter and the other is still working on its first set of 3.
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My Phenom II and UD5 have arrived. I'll set it up ASAP and start crunching with it
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All defaults. Like 38 hottest core coolest 28. The lap Job on that CPU is kinda bad, but won't complain. It was donated for the cause.
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Why not re-lap it yourself?
Maybe a little touch up, but if it's already down to the copper... I don't think i would touch it with those temps. A cruncher at stock is a lot better than no cruncher at all.. lol
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It takes a while for the WUs to validate, sometimes even a week, so you will get your points, but you just have to wait a bit, and then they will start coming in
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I am picking up my X2 4200+ and GTX260 tomorrow so that will help my folding and crunching

EDIT:what do you guys think of this upgrade...
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if i did that i would have 2 x2 240@3.6ghz crunching
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I am picking up my X2 4200+ and GTX260 tomorrow so that will help my folding and crunching

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if i did that i would have 2 x2 240@3.6ghz crunching
Sounds good, should net a decent PPD increase.
BTW, I may be picking up an Atom 330 soon, if so, it'll definitely be used for crunching
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