Samsung Releases Two High Contrast SyncMaster Displays

[PP Mguire]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Maybe for you, but not for anyone that like proper color accuracy. Your samsung is Tn-Film, and looks like ass compared to an IPS or PVA panel. You have higher resolution, but at a lower picture quality. I'll take the quality over the resolution, tyvm.


TV's don't accept 120HZ input. They upconvert 24 and 60Hz to 120Hz to prevent the subtle stutter in motion you get from 24Hz input on LCD TVs, which, prior to the release of 120Hz, only output at 60Hz. These 120Hz TVs only accept 60Hz inputs.

With a 1/4 of the price. I wouldnt see the difference in games like Crysis because i dont do productivity on my pc. So resolution is where its at for me. It was my personal opinion, not biased for everyone else bruh

Oh btw, Voodoo 2 games dont take advantage of either screens features (waht ive been playing lately)

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by PP Mguire

With a 1/4 of the price. I wouldnt see the difference in games like Crysis because i dont do productivity on my pc. So resolution is where its at for me. It was my personal opinion, not biased for everyone else bruh

Oh btw, Voodoo 2 games dont take advantage of either screens features (waht ive been playing lately)

Yeah, I wasn't trying to sound like an ass (although it seems to come across that way), I was just showing the other side of the coin.

And I just can't imagine why the VooDoo 2 can't take advantage of these monitors. lol

[PP Mguire]

idk man, it can display at 1024x768 I just dont get it

[MadMan007]

Originally Posted by Valdez

Actually f2380/m cost as much as a high-end TN monitor. It's a way less than an IPS monitor.

Wait what? You're saying there are 640Euro TN monitors? (granted you said high-end TN, a bit of an oxymoron but still...) And that IPS monitors cost a lot more than that? Wow, Euro buyers sure do get ripped off *looks at 'full HD-PLUS (lol, look, I'm a marketing goon!) $525 HP LP2475W*

[Valdez]

Originally Posted by MadMan007

Wait what? You're saying there are 640Euro TN monitors? (granted you said high-end TN, a bit of an oxymoron but still...) And that IPS monitors cost a lot more than that? Wow, Euro buyers sure do get ripped off *looks at 'full HD-PLUS (lol, look, I'm a marketing goon!) $525 HP LP2475W*

wtf are you talking about?

f2380 is 329$ on newegg, which has the same panel as the new f2370h and f2380mx.

[MadMan007]

'wtf' I'm talking about is your comment that the /m costs as much as a TN monitor, albeit high-end *ahem* kind of funny when talking about TN, which is another way of saying there are 640Euro TN monitors. I guess there's a difference between /m and /mx? But then you go and quote Newegg (USA) prices. So I'm not sure wtf is the point of your post which I quoted...in other words, 'wtf are YOU talking about' with 640Euro TN monitors?

[Valdez]

Originally Posted by MadMan007

'wtf' I'm talking about is your comment that the /m costs as much as a TN monitor, albeit high-end *ahem* kind of funny when talking about TN, which is another way of saying there are 640Euro TN monitors. I guess there's a difference between /m and /mx? But then you go and quote Newegg (USA) prices. So I'm not sure wtf is the point of your post which I quoted...in other words, 'wtf are YOU talking about' with 640Euro TN monitors?

What 640euro tn monitors are you talking about?? Where did you see a tn monitor cost this much? And how comes this to my original post, where i stated there are "older" samsung cpva models, which have the same specifications as the new models, and cost as much as a high-end tn monitor?

Instead of bantering me, you should check this whole samunsg cpva line (f2380,f2380m,f2380mx,f2370h) monitors and compare its specs. Obviously there are some differences between the models (like f2380 doesn't have hdmi, but f2380m has), but the panel is the same in every model.

[MadMan007]

Anything other than IPS is meaningless trash to me so I don't check out anything else and won't bother at this point. Can't stand TN vertical color differences, can't stand *VA horizontal contrast shift and black crush. I prefer to pay for less defective higher quality screen technologies.

But! I am sorry, I mixed up and mashed up multiple posts and thought they were from the same person somehow I guess :shrug: Someone else mentiond 640Euro vs a 150Euro monitor and then you mentioned high-end TN so I mixed them up. Sorry!

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by MadMan007

Anything other than IPS is meaningless trash to me so I don't check out anything else and won't bother at this point. Can't stand TN vertical color differences, can't stand *VA horizontal contrast shift and black crush. I prefer to pay for less defective higher quality screen technologies.

But! I am sorry, I mixed up and mashed up multiple posts and thought they were from the same person somehow I guess :shrug: Someone else mentiond 640Euro vs a 150Euro monitor and then you mentioned high-end TN so I mixed them up. Sorry!

IPS has it's downsides as well. Contrast and black levels both suffer compared to VA monitors.

[MadMan007]

Originally Posted by Wile E

IPS has it's downsides as well. Contrast and black levels both suffer compared to VA monitors.

Depends on the model really, contrast ratio can be competitive but not always but I notice distorted colors far more easily than contrast ratio as long as contrast is sufficient - distorted colors are always going to be there. Check out reviews on tftcentral.co.uk for a correction on your thought of calibrated black level. But I guess it's good for people who want cheaper monitors to tell themselves they are getting something better even if it means getting a lot more that's worse.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by MadMan007

Depends on the model really, contrast ratio can be competitive but not always but I notice distorted colors far more easily than contrast ratio as long as contrast is sufficient - distorted colors are always going to be there. Check out reviews on tftcentral.co.uk for a correction on your thought of calibrated black level. But I guess it's good for people who want cheaper monitors to tell themselves they are getting something better even if it means getting a lot more that's worse.

lol. tftcentral is where I get most of my monitor news. My next panel will be an IPS (my older 20" iMac is an IPS, btw.). I have the same preferences as you, tho this MVA has treated me well. It was half the cost of the cheapest IPS 24" at the time (which I couldn't afford ), and I needed a new monitor. At least it isn't Tn. lol

Fact is tho, VA monitors are still better than IPS in black levels, despite the advancements they have made.

[MadMan007]

Read the review on the Dell U2410 or the NEC EA231WMi. The black levels are comparable to *VA screens, better than some and worse than others. While there are some accurate generalizations to be made the devil is in the details of a specific model

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by MadMan007

Read the review on the Dell U2410 or the NEC EA231WMi. The black levels are comparable to *VA screens, better than some and worse than others. While there are some accurate generalizations to be made the devil is in the details of a specific model

That I agree on. I was speaking in general terms.

The 2410 seems to be having other issues tho. Dithering artifacts (firmware fixable) or pink and green tinting (not so fixable).

IPS is still not always a better buy than PVA. It all comes down to model and price range and needed features. Screens are one area you need to do a lot of research before making a purchase. Even 2 different models with the same hardware in them can be drastically different.

I say, as long as it isn't Tn, it has the potential to be a good monitor.