Phenom II X6 & "NEW" Phenom II X4's on the way!

[nt300]

Originally Posted by Mussels

cool and quiet shits all over speedstep, so yeah, sounds awesome.


800MHz 0.8v idle on my tri core, with however high these beasties go in their new turbo mode...

sounds awesome to me. power and efficiency.


wile E: with half again as many cores, a bottleneck is more likely.

Make sure you got some tissue paper handy

[1Kurgan1]

Wonder what the new quads will be, this has me very interested. I can't really imagine them to keep bumping the clocks up from 3.4, maybe I guess time will tell, but would be nice to see some better performance per clock and a drop in speeds.

[El_Mayo]

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

Wonder what the new quads will be, this has me very interested. I can't really imagine them to keep bumping the clocks up from 3.4, maybe I guess time will tell, but would be nice to see some better performance per clock and a drop in speeds.

a drop in speed as in... so they can be overclocked? or perform the same as previous PhenomIIs at lower clock speed?
or both

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by El_Mayo

a drop in speed as in... so they can be overclocked? or perform the same as previous PhenomIIs at lower clock speed?
or both

he means a more efficient design, clock for clock.

[Kantastic]

Originally Posted by El_Mayo

a drop in speed as in... so they can be overclocked? or perform the same as previous PhenomIIs at lower clock speed?
or both

Better performance per clock doesn't mean better overclockability, but yes he means performing the same at lower clocks, or to be specific a better ratio of performance:clock speed.

[El_Mayo]

Originally Posted by Kantastic

Better performance per clock doesn't mean better overclockability, but yes he means performing the same at lower clocks, or to be specific a better ratio of performance:clock speed.

yeah i know,i thought that's what he meant
but if you have better performance per clock, gains from overclocking should be better yes?

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by El_Mayo

yeah i know,i thought that's what he meant
but if you have better performance per clock, gains from overclocking should be better yes?

yes.

But what if you get 5% boost per clock, but a 10% reduction in top clock speed?

[Hayder_Master]

Originally Posted by Mussels

the dynamic clocks sound like intels turbo mode

+1, when i see this i say it's intel turbo boost technology

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by Kantastic

Better performance per clock doesn't mean better overclockability, but yes he means performing the same at lower clocks, or to be specific a better ratio of performance:clock speed.

Yeah, I hope for better performance per clock, and hopefully lowering of the clocks would allow more headroom, lets hope.

[Super XP]

Sounds to me these new CPU's will be highly overclockable due to that new Dynamic Clock thingy they plan on using. Can you imagine OC'ing 2 cores rock stable at 4.5GHz and turning off the other 2 if not stable?

[Zubasa]

Originally Posted by Super XP

Sounds to me these new CPU's will be highly overclockable due to that new Dynamic Clock thingy they plan on using. Can you imagine OC'ing 2 cores rock stable at 4.5GHz and turning off the other 2 if not stable?

You can already do that right now with the newer bioses.
It really isn't meant for OCing at all.

The whole point of doing this turbo boost thing is to improve performance on applications that does not use all 6 cores and also to save some power.

[Super XP]

Sure the current Phenom II's OC well but not well enough IMO. When I OC my Phenom II all 4 cores OC, not one subsides from OC'ing. Probably 1 core is keeping my Phenom II back or something.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Nope, won't compete in a performance aspect. Price to performance ratio, sure, raw performance (which is all that matters to me), not likely.

why wouldn't an AMD 6 core compete with a 4 core 4 thread i7? it should be pretty close all you need is like 20% more clock for clock. not trying to argue just curious about it.

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by Zubasa

You can already do that right now with the newer bioses.
It really isn't meant for OCing at all.

The whole point of doing this turbo boost thing is to improve performance on applications that does not use all 6 cores and also to save some power.

You can only change the separate cores clock speeds with Overdrive, which is crap, I can't ever get that damn program to work.

[Super XP]

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

You can only change the separate cores clock speeds with Overdrive, which is crap, I can't ever get that damn program to work.

The new Phenom II's are going to work much better than current PII's.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

You can only change the separate cores clock speeds with Overdrive, which is crap, I can't ever get that damn program to work.

overdrive works fine for me. and K10stat can change individual cores just fine google it its what i use all the time

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by cdawall

overdrive works fine for me. and K10stat can change individual cores just fine google it its what i use all the time

what CPU's does that work on? *looks at his tricore*

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by cdawall

overdrive works fine for me. and K10stat can change individual cores just fine google it its what i use all the time

I haven't ever had much luck with overdrive on anything, PI 9850, AII 240, or the 720 BE. Sometimes it would work fine, other times it would just BSOD when I hit apply, even if I was trying to go up 1 multiplier, or something trivial (did a lot of testing since it BSOD'd on everything pretty much).

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by Mussels

what CPU's does that work on? *looks at his tricore*

it only works on every cpu based off the K10 platform so athlon II's, phenom's, phenom II's etc. its an amazing program

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

I haven't ever had much luck with overdrive on anything, PI 9850, AII 240, or the 720 BE. Sometimes it would work fine, other times it would just BSOD when I hit apply, even if I was trying to go up 1 multiplier, or something trivial (did a lot of testing since it BSOD'd on everything pretty much).

worked fine for me....try K10stat its better than OD anyway

[Mussels]

messing with it now, although i cant seem to get corse to clock independantly. sad face.


Anywho: add the command -ClkCtrl:1 after the shortcut (yes, make a shortcut to it) to enable its internal controls.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by Mussels

messing with it now, although i cant seem to get corse to clock independantly. sad face.


Anywho: add the command -ClkCtrl:1 after the shortcut (yes, make a shortcut to it) to enable its internal controls.

get one of the old versions of it they work better IMO

[Mussels]

oh i dont NEED it. my CnQ settings work great.

2.9GHz 1.15v load
800Mhz 0.8v idle

i'd just like to modify WHEN it changes states, because it seems silly... why raise the state at 60% CPU usage? why not 90? its a waste of power to crank it up when its not needed. (sometimes it raises up to full speed when its only at 10% load, seems daft at times)

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by cdawall

why wouldn't an AMD 6 core compete with a 4 core 4 thread i7? it should be pretty close all you need is like 20% more clock for clock. not trying to argue just curious about it.

I thought you were referring to the upcoming Intel 6 cores.

[Zubasa]

Originally Posted by Wile E

I thought you were referring to the upcoming Intel 6 cores.

Most of us knows that it will not.
But then, why should an AMD Hexa-Core compete against a $1000 processor?

[Aleksander]

Maybe they are going to rebrand the phenoms with new names... "Phenom III"