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Old Feb 9, 2010, 01:20 PM   #1
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Seagate Ships World's Highest-Capacity, Most Reliable SFF Enterprise HDDs

Seagate Ships World’s Highest-Capacity, Most Reliable Small Form Factor Enterprise Drive: The Savvio 10K.4 Hard Drive Enterprise storage systems can now move to 600GB capacity, 2 million hour MTBF solution Seagate today announced worldwide shipments of its Savvio 10K.4 hard disk drive (HDD), the world's highest-capacity and most reliable 2.5-inch enterprise-class drive. Built for the demands of enterprise servers and to enable new levels of data density in external storage arrays, Savvio 10K.4 doubles the capacity of its nearest competitor to 600GB. It is also the first HDD to achieve an unprecedented 2 million hours Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF) reliability rating.

As the industry's only fourth generation, field-proven, 2.5-inch HDD designed for the enterprise, Savvio 10K.4 also features Protection Information for enhanced protection of data-in-flight, a self-encrypting drive (SED) option for the ultimate protection of sensitive data-at-rest and PowerChoice, which allows the Savvio 10K.4 hard drive to deliver improved power savings during idle.



"Our customers face challenging storage needs requiring the most efficient use of space and power while maintaining the highest performance possible," said Howard Shoobe, senior manager, Dell Storage Product Management. "The new 2.5-inch 10K-rpm 600GB capacity point allows a doubling of capacity within the same rack space of current 3.5-inch 15K 600GB drives while increasing overall system-level performance and decreasing power usage."

The combined features of Savvio 10K.4 deliver greater overall value and can reduce the total cost of ownership to IT organizations and administrators eager to optimize their data center's power and performance efficiency. Leveraging the enterprise 2.5-inch small form factor as its platform, Savvio 10K.4 serves as a powerful storage building block when compared to 3.5-inch based systems.

"A transition to 2.5-inch enterprise-class HDDs by server and storage system OEMs is building momentum," said John Rydning, IDC’s research director for hard disk drives. "There continues to be nearly insatiable demand for digital content accessed via numerous applications and devices, content that is increasingly delivered from storage systems equipped with high capacity enterprise-class HDDs such as Seagate’s Savvio 10K.4."

For more information about Savvio 10K.4, visit this page.
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seagates answer to a velociraptor ? nice mtbf though for such a fast drive, i bet its expensive as hell though
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Seagate and reliability in the same sentence without a negating statement in the middle? Wow I need to see this.
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seagates answer to a velociraptor ? nice mtbf though for such a fast drive, i bet its expensive as hell though
No, this is a Savvio, these are SAS disks.

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Seagate and reliability in the same sentence without a negating statement in the middle? Wow I need to see this.
Care to back that up?
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Their biggest competitor? Seagate's previous Savvio 10K.3 series of drives

After that, WD has the S25. 150/300GB, SAS 6Gb/s. Hasn't been available for very long.

Toshiba acquired Fujistu's hard drive division last year and got a 300GB SAS 6Gb/s drive out of it.
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No, this is a Savvio, these are SAS disks.



Care to back that up?
Seagates 1+TB 7200.12s rival the IBM DeathStars in lack of reliability.
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Lol, Newegg reviews. I've been using Seagates for twenty years and they've been reliable. I've RMA'd three times more WD and Hitatchi drives than any of my Seagates.
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Lol, Newegg reviews. I've been using Seagates for twenty years and they've been reliable. I've RMA'd three times more WD and Hitatchi drives than any of my Seagates.
I have a friend who is the same way. He believes WDs are the worst because he has had a bunch fail on him. No such luck here. I haven't used a Seagate drive since back in my pre-K6 days but those Newegg reviews are enough for me. All I know for sure is that it's a coin toss, but if WDs have been the most reliable drives for me and I have personally seen more problems with Seagate drives than any others (aside from DeathStars, had both an early IBM and a later Hitachi branded one fail on me) then why wouldn't I prefer them?
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I have a friend who is the same way. He believes WDs are the worst because he has had a bunch fail on him. No such luck here. I haven't used a Seagate drive since back in my pre-K6 days but those Newegg reviews are enough for me. All I know for sure is that it's a coin toss, but if WDs have been the most reliable drives for me and I have personally seen more problems with Seagate drives than any others (aside from DeathStars, had both an early IBM and a later Hitachi branded one fail on me) then why wouldn't I prefer them?
You make my point well. We all have different experiences with different hardware. WD's have been reliable for me too I guess. Every brand I've used I've had at least one drive go down. I have personally seen more WD drives have problems than any others. Why wouldn't I prefer Seagates?
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Pfft....Newegg reviews. People are a lot more likely to comment when they're unhappy than when an item works fine.
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Every Seagate drive i've used have worked fine

there was a mess up with some firmware last year but no biggy.
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Had to replace the Seagate that came with my laptop just recently.Man that thing was LOUD and very hot.You could hear it doing every little thing.They sent me a WD Scorpio Black edition.No problems so far.
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I havent had any problems with my 1+tb Seagate drives.

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Pfft....Newegg reviews. People are a lot more likely to comment when they're unhappy than when an item works fine.
Exactly. Newegg reviews should be taken with a bucket of salt.

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Had to replace the Seagate that came with my laptop just recently.Man that thing was LOUD and very hot.You could hear it doing every little thing.They sent me a WD Scorpio Black edition.No problems so far.
Being hot and loud is no problem. It could also depend on the kind of drive you had. Toss a Velociraptor in there and see how hot it gets.
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Seagate and reliability in the same sentence without a negating statement in the middle? Wow I need to see this.
I know right? I have a seagate, its been fine, its starting to make a lot of clicking and whining sounds.
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I havent had any problems with my 1+tb Seagate drives.

Exactly. Newegg reviews should be taken with a bucket of salt.

Being hot and loud is no problem. It could also depend on the kind of drive you had. Toss a Velociraptor in there and see how hot it gets.
Those are the two WORSE problems when it comes to a laptop.

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I havent had any problems with my 1+tb Seagate drives.

Exactly. Newegg reviews should be taken with a bucket of salt.

Being hot and loud is no problem. It could also depend on the kind of drive you had. Toss a Velociraptor in there and see how hot it gets.
It looks like you have never used a VelociRaptor in your lifetime. I have an OEM one as my secondary/storage drive near my SCSI drives. It's the coolest working, the least noisy harddrive I've ever used in my life. With it's ice heatsink, it NEVER goes beyond ambient temps. Let alone think of putting a fan in front of it... and it doesn't ever make a processing sound that any Seagate drive does. It just tick tacks silently. And I'm using my system on a table. Thinking of it in a huge-ass steel full-tower Dell workstation chassis, it will be impossible to hear it unless you put your ear next to your case.

It's a 2.5 inch, technologically advanced drive. With it's capable command quote chip in it and speed, VelociRaptor is the best SATA drive hands down. In every way. It read/writes over 105, 110 anytime, it's silent, it's cool working, and most importantly, it's 10.000 RPM. It accesses stuff faster then any other SATA drive while doing those. You can't say anything bad about it. Maybe only it's price. But other then that, NO.

That's not the topic anyway. Guys, about the Seagate drives failing...
Look at this thread http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=112490

I won't comment on all those Newegg reviews about Barracuda 7200.12s. Because I didn't have any exp with them. But I'm gonna tell you my story about a 7200.11.

I had a 500 GB one, I've bought it before people started talking about Seagate's 7200.11 bullcrap. I used it for like 1.5 years. %95-98 of the time, it worked well. But on the other period, the drive gave me bluescreens and stuff like that. I always saved my butt by writing off a new boot sector&MBR or changing SATA controllers until that time came. Then it started screwing itself up. The drive filled itself with bad sectors for no reason. And it was always locking up my system. Thank God I had my back-ups. I knew it was coming. I saw one reallocated sector a year before that. And I guessed it. One night, while I was playing F.E.A.R, it locked up completely and never came back.

I went to a data center, with the hopes of saving not my files, but all of my Windows settings and installed programs. The guy plugged in the screwed up harddisk to PC-3000 and Salvation Data. Those are data recovery cards in case you don't know. He managed to start up the drive but we saw that everything was gone. All is left was the Windows folder and documents and settings and some other stuff...

Guess what? Data recovery guy showed me the shelf over us. It was full of failed Barracuda 7200.11 drives. And he told me that he totally tried to recover those series of drives in the past year. Nearly all of the drives he had on that shelf were 7200.11s.

While I was doing some research about those drives on the net, I also saw everyone talking crap about Barracuda 7200.11, like how they keep on failing.

Long before all these happened, I had a Barracuda 7200.7 Plus and used for 3 years without any issues despite using it heavily. Now I don't know about Seagate's other drives but, BARRACUDA 7200.11S ARE UNRELIABLE AND CRAP. Moral of story.
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I've never had luck with any seagate drives =(
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O.o great marketing, lets make our hard drive spew lava
I'd be more interested in that than reliability.

"SSD's suck I have a HDD that spews goddamn lava"

Anyway newegg results are biased people only usually post if it didn't work. Take for example my perfectly functioning carpet, I don't post saying how awesome it is. Anyway I think each manufacturer has their ups and downs. I've had 3 samsung F1's fail on me but my F3 has outlasted all three of them and is never off. I've also got a quantum fireball and a seagate barracuda from a good few years ago that still work fine.
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Long before all these happened, I had a Barracuda 7200.7 Plus and used for 3 years without any issues despite using it heavily. Now I don't know about Seagate's other drives but, BARRACUDA 7200.11S ARE UNRELIABLE AND CRAP. Moral of story.
I assume that's true, but I've had some seagates that were rock solid. Just because they've had some bad models doesn't make their entire lineup bad. This is not directed at you btw.

My no 1 bad experience drive is Samsungs.
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every seagate drive i'd used for about 10 years worked great, until the 7200.11 shitware drives. had two 500gb's go on me now. sent one into seagate for their supposedly free i365 data recovery centre warranty service, they took 3 weeks to tell me the drive was completely un serviceable, and that firmware flashing would not be enough to recover the data, but they would offer me a deal on their entry level $500 data recovery option. i had it sent back sans wallet rape, read up on some forms and fixed the drive myself with a $10 nokia ca-42 cel phone cable, flashed the firmware, and backed up the data. took me 2 weeks for positive results, that multi million $$ recovery centre took 3 for negative ones.. needless to say seagate can f%ck themselves with bus from here on out.
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i'll agree with the consensus here - as a storage nut (and thusly, many of my friends are storage nuts) we've had hundreds of drives of various brands and model over the last 10 years.

Seagate WAS #1 for reliability - but once things got close to 1TB (and the .11's got released) their reliability went downhill. Hell, i have two .11's which are problem free.. but my friends have had many of them die horribly.

That said, its not like all of em are dying - just some here and there. Considering how few had died on me over the years, its putting them back on par with the other brands for reliability - not below them.

(samsung is still my favourite these days, far less issues overall with 1TB+ drives)
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