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Old Mar 9, 2010, 07:21 PM   #8701
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will do, gonna do some testing tonight
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The all black PCB looks soooo good
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Just got my new case and motherboard last night, still waiting on my final hdd to be delivered today, so it's a mess right now. Still got all the plastic 'condoms' on the case , wiring is all spaghetti .... it ain't purty! My old bones aren't up for taking off the sides so you can get the full impact, it's worse than it may look in these pics!







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Wow, not something I would have considered doing but that's only because it would offend my sense of beauty. Nice job just the same however and I'm curious to see how it affects the GPU temps. Have you tried benching it since you did the mod?
I did a round of 3DMark just to feel if it worked, and the room above the card is certainly alot cooler. Which is good, cause the fan draws air from above the card here.

Not gonna get around to do some full blown modding this week I think, busy moving house.

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Just got my new case and motherboard last night, still waiting on my final hdd to be delivered today, so it's a mess right now. Still got all the plastic 'condoms' on the case , wiring is all spaghetti .... it ain't purty! My old bones aren't up for taking off the sides so you can get the full impact, it's worse than it may look in these pics!

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They still make Xasers
This one looks alot better than the older models though

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Old Mar 9, 2010, 10:59 PM   #8705
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This one looks alot better than the older models though
Not really a fan, TBH, but was the best deal on one which I can eventually (maaaaybe) put a Classified 4-way, or something similar, into. Thing's heavy, and nothing to grab onto to move it, all kinds of weird plastic protrusions. Weird... and my last case was a Stacker. Might end up moving back to it. But I do enjoy having a mobo tray again!
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just threw the mobo in there, no need for wm or anything, will be getting a new psu soon so i dont mind it being a bit messy



btw, this cooler is prob one of the few coolers i regret getting, its sooooooo HUGE and could barely be in there

notice the fancy coffee mug



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btw, this cooler is prob one of the few coolers i regret getting, its sooooooo HUGE and could barely be in there
Let me know if you move onto something new, I've always wanted an IFX-14


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New fans today!





With my system on...





My temps are about the same, but my system is alot quieter, thanks to replacing some junker fans.
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Okay almost finished putting my old PC back together,
it's my first standard-case-turned-into-an-upside-down-case mod, it's a bit ghetto at the mo.
I like the cases with the clear panels in the front, I've never seen or heard of anyone putting photos in the front of a case, has anyone else?
not great for aiorflow, but I'm not heavily oc'ing and i'm using the Vapor-X so heat isn't an issue!
Ignore the white CD drive, my black one's not working at the mo.
I'm also getting a set of fans that take up one 5.25" drive bay.
I've seen the Spire ones, any suggestions on better ones?

It looked like this before (I did the spray myself)

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Sorry for the picture quality, any comments and advice are very welcome
Well IMHO, i sure hope i wont be those dads that have my sons pic as wallpaper. But on the case

Actually if my son was a dragon or epic snake i might
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I actually thought that was cool, its even more custom then what I do with my cases!
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Old Mar 11, 2010, 09:19 PM   #8711
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here is my rig.. still needs some work but i just wanted it done
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Looks good bro, it's finally running.

Where did you end up mounting the HDD?
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Looks good bro, it's finally running.

Where did you end up mounting the HDD?
do see the single screw, and the lonely sata cable on the top?
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do see the single screw, and the lonely satacable on the top?
When I saw his other pics in his Project Log I noticed. Yeah, that way it's outta the way a bit, great job though. I give it to him
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think its in the top

i might trade my SLI LE for a RIIE board next week

its gonna take some hours to sort out his cable mess hahaXD
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think its in the top

i might trade my SLI LE for a RIIE board next week

its gonna take some hours to sort out his cable mess hahaXD
Why you trading bro? Don't like the board?
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yeah i do like it, but like they say in The Godfather, Im gonna give you an offer you cant refuse

he wanted to trade it for my SLI LE with no extra charge, then im in, he just want it because of its looks

and btw, the SLI LE has a weird PCI-E layout

1. is 16x
2. is 8x
3. is 4x.
4. is 4x i think?EDIT: its 8x, but i cant use it to much since the psu is blocking for dual slot cards

would be nice to have a board that did full speed on the first 2 slots and not that weird config

but overall its a nice board
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yeah i do like it, but like they say in The Godfather, Im gonna give you an offer you cant refuse

he wanted to trade it for my SLI LE with no extra charge, then im in, he just want it because of its looks

and btw, the SLI LE has a weird PCI-E layout

1. is 16x
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3. is 4x.
4. is 4x i think?EDIT: its 8x, but i cant use it to much since the psu is blocking for dual slot cards

would be nice to have a board that did full speed on the first 2 slots and not that weird config

but overall its a nice board
A good deal is a good deal I would go for it, good luck.
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yeah i do like it, but like they say in The Godfather, Im gonna give you an offer you cant refuse

he wanted to trade it for my SLI LE with no extra charge, then im in, he just want it because of its looks

and btw, the SLI LE has a weird PCI-E layout

1. is 16x
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4. is 4x i think?EDIT: its 8x, but i cant use it to much since the psu is blocking for dual slot cards

would be nice to have a board that did full speed on the first 2 slots and not that weird config

but overall its a nice board
Get a Rampage II Gene or Extreme and be done with it.
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thats what i'm thinking, + i can sell it for like 300$, then i can fetch a H50 + a cube case and still have money left

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well i already have a m-atx 1366 board laying on my desk, and i'm kinda hooked on getting a new cube case, so i think i'll keep the X58M from MSI, it even oc's better than the sli le
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ASUS > MSI (pure speculation mind you)
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in SOME cases that is true depends on the board and the use both make good boards.

also how are your temps on the i7 and what pump and rad do you use?
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well i was VERY surprised by this little MSI board, i could get 4.1ghz stable on it.

mind you that its missing the vreg heatsink(you have to buy one your self)
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in SOME cases that is true depends on the board and the use both make good boards.

also how are your temps on the i7 and what pump and rad do you use?
My temps are kinda odd. even on stock it idles from 36-40 but load doesnt go over 63? i suspect that it could be the fans im using or i need to change from 3/8 to 1/2 tubing and maybe a faster pump? also i was thinking of going tri rad?
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My temps are kinda odd. even on stock it idles from 36-40 but load doesnt go over 63? i suspect that it could be the fans im using or i need to change from 3/8 to 1/2 tubing and maybe a faster pump? also i was thinking of going tri rad?
what pump do you have? my temps like to hover around 50c load.
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