AMD Phenom II X6 'Thuban' and Phenom II X4 'Zosma' Tabled on Roadmaps

btarunr · Mar 11, 2010, 06:30 PM

A list of new Phenom II series processors were tabled in a company road map. The road map confirms AMD's naming scheme for the Phenom II X6 brand, and also sheds light on a new line of quad-core processors. In the second quarter of this year, AMD will introduce Phenom II X6 six-core models 1075T, 1055T, and 1035T. While the 1075T has a TDP of 125W, the 1055T comes in 125W and 95W variants (likely one following the other), and 1035T is the slowest model with 95W TDP. All Phenom II X6 models are based on the Thuban core (a desktop, socket AM3 implementation of the Istanbul die). Each of the six cores has 128 KB of L1, 512 KB L2 caches, and a 6 MB L3 cache is shared between all cores. The HyperTransport 3.0 interconnect operates at 4.8 GT/s.

The new line of quad-core processors here, is the Phenom II X4 900T series. The first member in this series is the Phenom II X4 960T. These processors are created using Thuban dies by disabling two cores. It helps AMD salvage its foundry produce with minor defects, and also target lower price points. The resulting die is codenamed "Zosma". Zosma in X4 960T has a TDP of 95W. Probably it has a lower clock speed than the "Deneb" Phenom II X4 965, but is placed in the same league, in terms of performance. One of its biggest "unintentional" unique selling points is that since it's based on a die that has six physical cores, some customers could get lucky by unlocking them to a six-core processor, at a much lower price-point. Even as several motherboard manufacturers have innovated ways to unlock disabled cores, and are advertising their unlocking features, it is not guaranteed that a Zosma would unlock into Thuban, just as Callisto/Heka to Deneb unlocking doesn't always work out. Going by AMD's road map, these processors will be released some time in May.

Source: ATIForum.de

tonyd223 · Mar 11, 2010, 06:35 PM

yay!

theonedub · Mar 11, 2010, 06:37 PM

mmmmm, unlock

suraswami · Mar 11, 2010, 06:52 PM

Woo Hoo 6 cores, hmm what should I do with 6 cores?

6MB L3 cache between 6 cores is kind of low, they should have made it 12MB which should have increased the overall performance.

blkhogan · Mar 11, 2010, 06:52 PM

Yummy stuff. Cant wait.

JATownes · Mar 11, 2010, 06:59 PM

Just out of curiosity, will these have DDR2 & DDR3 memory controllers, or just DDR3?

btarunr · Mar 11, 2010, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JATownes

Just out of curiosity, will these have DDR2 & DDR3 memory controllers, or just DDR3?

DDR2 and DDR3, but motherboard vendors won't be that generous with giving away supportive BIOS updates for AM2+ motherboards.

Nick89 · Mar 11, 2010, 07:11 PM

I don't know why, but I HAVE to have this X6.

but I also want a 5870, and a 350$ custom water cooling setup... arg

Kitkat · Mar 11, 2010, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick89

I don't know why, but I HAVE to have this X6.

i know why, because the sky is blue. yeah ok that's good lets work with that skys blue and that's why i need it.... it sounds realistic enough for me. yep that's why .... yep.

yep.

tonyd223 · Mar 11, 2010, 07:21 PM

I have so many DVD's to encode - 6 core me now!

xrealm20 · Mar 11, 2010, 07:35 PM

Wonder what the pricing will look like on these 6core chips ....

Flyordie · Mar 11, 2010, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrealm20

Wonder what the pricing will look like on these 6core chips ....

$299.99 is the MSRP for the X6 1035

Kantastic · Mar 11, 2010, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyordie

$299.99 is the MSRP for the X6 1035

So it should be around $275, not bad.

Hunt3r · Mar 11, 2010, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kantastic

So it should be around $275, not bad.

are you sure that price is?

Flyordie · Mar 11, 2010, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hunt3r

are you sure that price is?

AMD has competition, and realize it. Selling something that performs about the same as a i7 920 at a much higher price = FAIL.

Remember, 1035 is the lowest end X6.

xrealm20 · Mar 11, 2010, 08:15 PM

so, an MSRP of $300 -- anyone want to guess at how much the black edition chips with unlocked multi's will be?

Kitkat · Mar 11, 2010, 08:15 PM

yes this will fill that (vacant for a long time at AMD (consumer)) 200 - 500 USD area im sure this wont be a 1000USD chip. i don't know why that's going around?!?!?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrealm20

so, an MSRP of $300 -- anyone want to guess at how much the black edition chips with unlocked multi's will be?

They are Phenoms II X6's they are all black. This isn't an Athlon X6. (I don't think an X6 Athlon has been announced at all.)

suraswami · Mar 11, 2010, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitkat

yes this will fill that (vacant for a long time at AMD (consumer)) 200 - 500 USD area im sure this wont be a 1000USD chip. i don't know why that's going around?!?!?!

They are Phenoms II X6's they are all black. This isn't an Athlon X6. (I don't think an X6 Athlon has been announced at all.)

Where did u get that info?

Zubasa · Mar 11, 2010, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitkat

yes this will fill that (vacant for a long time at AMD (consumer)) 200 - 500 USD area im sure this wont be a 1000USD chip. i don't know why that's going around?!?!?!

They are Phenoms II X6's they are all black. This isn't an Athlon X6. (I don't think an X6 Athlon has been announced at all.)

Nope, who told you that the Phenom II X6 are all black?
The Phenom II X4 aren't all black, I don't see how the X6 will be.

If they are selling their lowest end Hexa-core for $300, that just makes the I7 920/930 that much more tastier.

I guess I can just hope for an ACCident with the 960T then.

Polarman · Mar 11, 2010, 08:49 PM

Since i'm more of a gamer, i'll stick with the X4 for a while longer.

On the other hand, that 955 with the 95W TPD does sound better for me.

xrealm20 · Mar 11, 2010, 08:51 PM

Personally I'd be willing to pay maybe 350-400 for an unlocked x6. And that's about the MAX i'd spend on any processor...

Zubasa · Mar 11, 2010, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polarman

Since i'm more of a gamer, i'll stick with the X4 for a while longer.

On the other hand, that 955 with the 95W TPD does sound better for me.

Actually that 960T with the AMD "Turbo Boost" like thing sounds quite a win for us gamers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrealm20

Personally I'd be willing to pay maybe 350-400 for an unlocked x6. And that's about the MAX i'd spend on any processor...

Yes, I am willing to pay a good bit for the unlocked ones,
but the normal ones I just don't see they really worth that much.
I am quite certain that AMD will not price their 1035T @$300.

xaira · Mar 11, 2010, 09:07 PM

these will not have ddr2 controllers, im tired of correcting this on forums, it will only be compatible with ddr3, ddr3 alone

athlon ii x6 maybe :-)

TheGuruStud · Mar 11, 2010, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suraswami

Woo Hoo 6 cores, hmm what should I do with 6 cores?

6MB L3 cache between 6 cores is kind of low, they should have made it 12MB which should have increased the overall performance.

Too expensive and won't do a whole lot better with it's latency. More L2 makes sense (nowhere to put it), but the L3 is kinda lame.

mastrdrver · Mar 11, 2010, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xaira

these will not have ddr2 controllers, im tired of correcting this on forums, it will only be compatible with ddr3, ddr3 alone

Where did you hear this from or do you have your sources?

Having both a 790FX and my X58 setup, I'd much rather have 6 real cores over the 4 assisted ones that I have on my 920. BFBC2 already uses 4 cores on my lightly overclocked 920 at 3.33Ghz without HT enabled. With it enabled, it drops from ~80% to ~30% but there is still some stutter to games every once in a while.

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