NVIDIA Preparing First Fermi-Derivative Performance GPU, GF104

btarunr · Mar 26, 2010, 07:13 PM

With the launch of GeForce GTX 400 series enthusiast-grade graphics cards based on the GF100 GPU being a stone's throw away, it is learned that work could be underway at NVIDIA to develop a new performance GPU as a successor to G92 and its various derivatives, according to 3DCenter.org, a German tech portal. Codenamed GF104, the new GPU targets performance/price sweet-spots the way G92 did back in its day with the GeForce 8800 GT and 8800 GTS-512, which delivered high-end sort of performance at "unbelievable" price points. The GF104 is a derivative of the Fermi architecture, and uses a physically down-scaled design of the GF100. It is said to pack 256 CUDA cores, 32 ROPs, 32 TMUs, and a 256-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface. The more compact die as a result could achieve high clock speeds, like G92 did compared to the G80.

GF104 is believed to form three SKUs to fill performance-thru-mainstream market segments, starting with the fastest GeForce GTS 450, GeForce GTS 440, and GeForce GTS 430 (likely name). Among these, the GTS 450 enables all of GF104's features and specifications, with well over 700 MHz core speed, 1500 MHz shader, and 1800 MHz memory. This part could be priced at around the 240 EUR mark, and target performance levels of the ATI Radeon HD 5830. A notch lower, the GTS 440 has all the hardware inside the GF104 enabled, but has around 20% lower clock speeds, priced over 160 EUR, under 180 EUR. At the bottom is the so-called GTS 430, which could disable a few of the GPU's components, with 192 CUDA cores, and 192-bit GDDR5 memory interface, priced under $150. The lower two SKUs intend to compete with the Radeon HD 5700 series. The source says that the new SKUs could be out this summer.

Source: 3DCenter.org

DaMulta · Mar 26, 2010, 07:17 PM

HD 2900XT all over again?????

shevanel · Mar 26, 2010, 07:18 PM

this answers my question... the one i had about which half-assed approach would NV take to compete with the mainstream market. although i will admit this sounds better than i had imagined.

Binge · Mar 26, 2010, 07:21 PM

wtf GF104? lammemeeeeeeeeeeee

btarunr · Mar 26, 2010, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Binge

wtf GF104? lammemeeeeeeeeeeee

GF104 is a GPU codename like GF100. It won't be printed on boxes so nothing lame about the name.

wahdangun · Mar 26, 2010, 07:25 PM

WTF!!!!!, is this what nvdia promise ????

it's really lame, i want GTX 480 benched right now!!!!!

roast · Mar 26, 2010, 07:33 PM

I'm expecting GTX470 and 480 to be fail., and on that note, With these GF104 chips, I think NV could be on to a real winner. This could replace all of the G92 cards around, and if NV plan it right and set the right price, this would be all OEM's new favorite chip.... rebranding every two months...

I'm not saying I'm happy about it, but it would be a great money spinner for nVidia

kajson · Mar 26, 2010, 07:33 PM

first actually launch the main product, then start boasting about cheaper/better derivatives......

Or maybe they'll just pospone the main product indefinitely and move straight to the derivatives

KainXS · Mar 26, 2010, 07:39 PM

well I can only expect that they will remove half the sm's completely and 2 memory controllers but keep the layout of the sm's the same, if they did this then the GF104 would not have 64TMU's it would have 32, not even the GTX480 has 64TMU's, but since these chips will be so scalable they could just drop sm's and keep adding new cards by mixing different #'s of sm's with different# of memory controllers.

woops read wrong it says 32

EchoMan · Mar 26, 2010, 07:45 PM

So who would buy a gts 450 @ 240 EUR when you can buy a 5850 right now for less?

Divide Overflow · Mar 26, 2010, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btarunr

GF104 is a GPU codename like GF100. It won't be printed on boxes so nothing lame about the name.

Actual product name GF404?

TheGuruStud · Mar 26, 2010, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EchoMan

So who would buy a gts 450 @ 240 EUR when you can buy a 5850 right now for less?

Yeah, the price and perf is

They're gonna have to do better than that to compete.

monte84 · Mar 26, 2010, 08:02 PM

wasn't today supposed to be the release date?

springs113 · Mar 26, 2010, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monte84

wasn't today supposed to be the release date?

i thought the same over @ xtremes....they have posted some numbers and i must say ATI win NV Fail

madswimmer · Mar 26, 2010, 08:19 PM

today is the release at pax east, sposed to have 5 ct

Fourstaff · Mar 26, 2010, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divide Overflow

Actual product name GF404?

Error code 404, more like

Roph · Mar 26, 2010, 08:29 PM

Nvidia are actually... replacing G92? Not renaming it again? G92 will finally die?

Credit where credit is due

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Error code 404, more like

gvblake22 · Mar 26, 2010, 08:38 PM

If these tables prove accurate, these will be the first mid-range video cards to not feature a 128-bit memory bus. The lowest is 192-bit and 256-bit for the middle and highest mid-range parts. I'm actually looking forward to the GTS450!

Imsochobo · Mar 26, 2010, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvblake22

If these tables prove accurate, these will be the first mid-range video cards to not feature a 128-bit memory bus. The lowest is 192-bit and 256-bit for the middle and highest mid-range parts. I'm actually looking forward to the GTS450!

HD 5770.......

PCpraiser100 · Mar 26, 2010, 08:43 PM

Its a sign that Nvidia is hyping the party up to confuse people. Fan boys are having techgasms atm while we OC our HD 5000 cards and previous gen cards at this time.

erocker · Mar 26, 2010, 09:10 PM

People, right in the pictures it shows GTS 430, GTS 440 and GTS 450. I think you can come up with a good guess on what cards they will replace.

Valdez · Mar 26, 2010, 09:14 PM

propably a not fake gtx 480 benchmark

gvblake22 · Mar 26, 2010, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imsochobo

HD 5770.......

I may be reading this wrong, but it looks like it says Bus Width: 128 Bit...

Imsochobo · Mar 26, 2010, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gvblake22

I may be reading this wrong, but it looks like it says Bus Width: 128 Bit...

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/HD_577...es/gpuz_oc.gif

Sorry mate, late at night after a loong day, or three loong weeks with work everyday, starting to get to me, finally holiday.

Read wrong on ur comment and on the specs, was sure i read 128 bit, confused me :S

Still, theese will be expensive, and yet slower than 5850 all of them, same production price...
No 64 bit float like the big bro's.

What is there to them ?

gvblake22 · Mar 26, 2010, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imsochobo

Sorry mate, late at night after a loong day, or three loong weeks with work everyday, starting to get to me, finally holiday.

HAHA, no worries bro.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imsochobo

Still, theese will be expensive, and yet slower than 5850 all of them, same production price...
No 64 bit float like the big bro's.

How do you know the production costs already? The target prices quoted in the article could be inflated by nVidia to start with and not indicative of actual production cost, leaving room for price drops and such. Either way though, those prices seem a bit on the high side, especially considering the very well received 5850 will keep dropping in price bit by bit until these things actually reach the market. Only time will tell I guess!

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