Is GTX 480 / Fermi a game changer for you? - Page 2

exodusprime1337 · Mar 27, 2010, 04:55 PM

I like steady competition but at the same time i was really getting tired of waiting for nvidia to come out with something. After all the extra time they took what they released isn't worth the money in any way whatsoever and that is disappointing to me. I purchased my 5870 about 2 weeks ago and was waiting on the release of the fermi cards so that i could decide whether i made a good choice or not. and the way it looks i think i have made an excellent choice. My 5870 is quieter, draws less power, seems more user friendly as far as oc'ing, bios modding, and drivers. It's been a long time since i've used ati cards, and i couldnt' be happier i switched back. This release of fermi just made me all the happier.

Paulieg · Mar 27, 2010, 04:56 PM

Nah. For this generation of cards, I see ATI as the winner, simply because of the low power consumption, low temps and excellent scaling. For these reasons, I'll be sticking with ATI for quite awhile. This saying a lot, since I was an Nvidia guy for a very long time.

DonInKansas · Mar 27, 2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Paulieg

Nah. For this generation of cards, I see ATI as the winner, simply because of the low power consumption, low temps and excellent scaling. For these reasons, I'll be sticking with ATI for quite awhile.

Pretty much this. Fermi = too hot, too hungry, and too expensive for a couple extra frames.

KingPing · Mar 27, 2010, 05:09 PM

The wait is over!!! yay!!!

Im going out now to buy a 5870!

EastCoasthandle · Mar 27, 2010, 05:14 PM

As far as I'm concerned this is a flop.

saikamaldoss · Mar 27, 2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

As far as I'm concerned this is a flop.

Hey guys give some credit to nvidia. they at least tried and did not scrap the FM architecture

oops sorry i felt like i am guru3D for a second lol

Cant wait to see Guru3D's 8xCSAA vs 8xMSAA cheat and this time they even have 32x to fool people

it would be GR8 to See ATI releasing a 5890 with 1800SP-900/1250 clock and can even try 1150 for 3D clock engine(Shaders) like they did for 4890

Fourstaff · Mar 27, 2010, 08:03 PM

Patiently waiting for Fermi 2. Nvidia have failed to deliver since 8800GTX doesn't mean that we have to be ATI fanboy for the rest of our lives.

saikamaldoss · Mar 27, 2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Patiently waiting for Fermi 2. Nvidia have failed to deliver since 8800GTX doesn't mean that we have to be ATI fanboy for the rest of our lives.

You don't have to be a fan boy to own a graphics card. you just need to find the best card that will perform better for the price you pay.

i was about to buy a 5870 or 5970 and also was waiting to see what the NV side had to offer. but i am not satisfied with the first gen cards.

i will wait for the second gen Fem2 or 6800 and will decide.

i am not a fan of any company coz i am not getting any thing free from them. i have to spent hard earned money

and for now 5770 is doing great for my 22" and the clocks can do wonders for me

I thank ATI for giving me a cheap yet powerful card

Divide Overflow · Mar 27, 2010, 08:11 PM

I strongly believe that competition is great for the customer and was tempted to pick this option but the power/heat/noise issues with Fermi have me quite satisfied with my current 5870. No plans to buy nvidia this generation.

eidairaman1 · Mar 27, 2010, 08:12 PM

I suspect AMDs Second Gen 5800 to be a pretty drastic improvement along with the Second Gen 48 and 47 series from NV. 6800 I suspect Middle of Next Year.

Fourstaff · Mar 27, 2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by saikamaldoss

i will wait for the second gen Fem2 or 6800 and will decide.

I think Fermi 2 will be the winner, seeing that Nvidia should have fixed the problems by then, while ATI is moving away from their trusty R600 based cores to something new (the same way as Nvidia moved away from G80).

[I.R.A]_FBi · Mar 27, 2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eidairaman1

I suspect AMDs Second Gen 5800 to be a pretty drastic improvement along with the Second Gen 48 and 47 series from NV. 6800 I suspect Middle of Next Year.

middle of next year? at that rate they can keep it

saikamaldoss · Mar 27, 2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fourstaff

I think Fermi 2 will be the winner, seeing that Nvidia should have fixed the problems by then, while ATI is moving away from their trusty R600 based cores to something new (the same way as Nvidia moved away from G80).

We cannot expect everyone to screw up like what NV did with Fermi hmmm lets see what happens

Lionheart · Mar 27, 2010, 08:42 PM

I saw a GTX 480 on fleabay for $899 AUD, what a ripoff

If I wanted to buy a noisy heater I would go to kmart for that lol

dir_d · Mar 27, 2010, 08:47 PM

I bought my 5870 launch night...I just feel sad for the people that waited for months to have no price drops and no real good alternative to an ATI card to justify the wait.

Animalpak · Mar 27, 2010, 08:52 PM

All is not finished yet they need to submit their dual GPU to compete against 5970.

Actually is the most fast I must say...

Frankly I'm disappointed because it is a card that looks after saving ( power consuption, noise, heat).

sneekypeet · Mar 27, 2010, 08:57 PM

I love that nvidia made an easy bake oven.

Not for reasons of gaming or benching, but this card will revolutionize the GPU aftermarket cooling. As I said if you can cool a fermi with it you got a great product.

What does this mean for ATI? Well if the cooler fits and can tame a 100*C monster, imagine the temps on your ATI with one helluvan OC. Its win win in my eyes.

EastCoasthandle · Mar 27, 2010, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saikamaldoss

Hey guys give some credit to nvidia. they at least tried and did not scrap the FM architecture

oops sorry i felt like i am guru3D for a second lol

Cant wait to see Guru3D's 8xCSAA vs 8xMSAA cheat and this time they even have 32x to fool people

it would be GR8 to See ATI releasing a 5890 with 1800SP-900/1250 clock and can even try 1150 for 3D clock engine(Shaders) like they did for 4890

I've seen several posts questioning their review practices. But to those who are interested you can listen to how the fans sound here

boulard83 · Mar 27, 2010, 09:35 PM

Ill keep my HD5870 till something better is released from nvidia or ATI. these are power ungry cards ...

MUGEN02 · Mar 27, 2010, 10:07 PM

Power/Heat/Noise is important, no Fermi for me + price
I'll wait for the GTX 495 with down clocked 470's and dual 8 pin power connectors

EastCoasthandle · Mar 27, 2010, 10:10 PM

It looks to me based on the power consumption and heat this may have been a 600Mhz or 650MHz card.

Blacklash · Mar 27, 2010, 10:26 PM

Picked up two HD 5870s to run with the one I already have for triple Crossfire X.

After reading all the reviews out I decided I'm not interested in nVidia's offerings this go around.

I'd rate the 480 as a 6 and 480 SLi as an 8 on a scale of 1-10. Triple Crossfire X should be around 480 SLi performance often. Below is an old review of it that was done last year in October.

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid...e=expert&pid=3

The two additional 5870s were 395usd a pop from ZZF with free shipping.

leonard_222003 · Mar 27, 2010, 10:26 PM

Imagine GTX480 in the summer , you have to keep the AC on full speed just so the video card doesn't burn.
Imagine GTX480 in a closed case with not so good ventilation and after 1 year of dust build up , and in the summer

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Can i speculate that most GTX480's will end up RMA ?
Now about perf. , it's no denying it's faster than HD5870 but not enough to really matter , it consumes about 100-120W more , it's very very hot to the point of OMG it might ignite the case , it's loud but some people might not care about this , it has a much higher price.
To imagine how high the price is for some country's , the card leaves asus/gigabyte/xfx and it's ready to be shiped to xxx country , that country has some customs taxes for IT/Tehnology stuff , when it gets in stores another tax is applied ( VAT ) , after these taxes the reseler adds his price too , Romania's price for GTX480 is 800$ or 600 euros , HD5870 price is 480$ or 362 euros, WHO THE FUC... IS CRAZY TO PAY SO MUCH FOR SO LITTLE ?
What made Nvidia rich is not GPU computing , it's the gamers who spread the word Nvidia is great and convinced other people to buy Nvidia , so what is Nvidia doing now ? GPU computing ? accelerating encoding and some photo/video editing software ? ati does this too and it doesn't really matter much , most of us just play games , watch movies and surf the net on the computer , we are not professionals to need this
The Nvidia plan now is let's get some game developers to sign our TWIMTBP and force Physx , crank up some absurd need of tesselation to the point Ati hardware will suffer and force the developers to avoid contact with Ati for optimizations.
Until they deliver some good games that meet the above requirements i don't see anybody giving a shi.. about GTX480 , so start scheming Nvidia if you want to make a sale.

oli_ramsay · Mar 27, 2010, 10:27 PM

Quite an impressive card, if it was a few dollars cheaper and a few degrees cooler and a few watts.....

But why exactly weren't these cards 512 core? Did they disbale a few cuda cores for better yields? Are they likely to release 485's with 512 cores? And in turn will ATi release 4890's to compete with that?

MUGEN02 · Mar 27, 2010, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by oli_ramsay

Quite an impressive card, if it was a few dollars cheaper and a few degrees cooler and a few watts.....

But why exactly weren't these cards 512 core? Did they disbale a few cuda cores for better yields? Are they likely to release 485's with 512 cores? And in turn will ATi release 4890's to compete with that?

Yep better yields is what I read a few weeks ago. Hopefully they will be releasing 495 485 475 during the summer

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Yes, competition is great for the customer	1,468	9.66%
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Power/Heat/Noise is important, no Fermi for me	7,650	50.35%
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Mar 27, 2010, 04:55 PM	#26
exodusprime1337 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rhode Island, U.S.A Posts: 1,818 (0.91/day) Thanks: 138 Thanked 332 Times in 264 Posts System Specs	I like steady competition but at the same time i was really getting tired of waiting for nvidia to come out with something. After all the extra time they took what they released isn't worth the money in any way whatsoever and that is disappointing to me. I purchased my 5870 about 2 weeks ago and was waiting on the release of the fermi cards so that i could decide whether i made a good choice or not. and the way it looks i think i have made an excellent choice. My 5870 is quieter, draws less power, seems more user friendly as far as oc'ing, bios modding, and drivers. It's been a long time since i've used ati cards, and i couldnt' be happier i switched back. This release of fermi just made me all the happier. __________________ Visit My CaseMod, YOU KNOW YOU WANT TOO!!!!

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Mar 27, 2010, 04:56 PM	#27
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Mar 27, 2010, 05:09 PM	#29
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Mar 27, 2010, 05:14 PM	#30
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Mar 27, 2010, 08:03 PM	#32
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Mar 27, 2010, 08:11 PM	#34
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Mar 27, 2010, 10:07 PM	#45
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Mar 27, 2010, 10:26 PM	#47
Blacklash Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 188 (0.08/day) Thanks: 3 Thanked 36 Times in 27 Posts System Specs	Picked up two HD 5870s to run with the one I already have for triple Crossfire X. After reading all the reviews out I decided I'm not interested in nVidia's offerings this go around. I'd rate the 480 as a 6 and 480 SLi as an 8 on a scale of 1-10. Triple Crossfire X should be around 480 SLi performance often. Below is an old review of it that was done last year in October. http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid...e=expert&pid=3 The two additional 5870s were 395usd a pop from ZZF with free shipping. Last edited by Blacklash; Mar 27, 2010 at 10:34 PM.

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Processor:	AMD Phenom II X6 1055T @ 4.0GHz (1.45v)
Motherboard:	ASUS Crosshair IV (AMD 890FX)
Cooling:	Xigmatek HDT-S1284EE
Memory:	GeIL Black Dragon DDR3 1600 (4x2Gb)
Video Card:	Powercolor Radeon HD 5870 1Gb (x2)
Hard Disk:	WD VelociRaptor 150Gb HD (x2)
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Mar 27, 2010, 10:26 PM	#48
leonard_222003 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 241 (0.09/day) Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 20 Posts System Specs	Imagine GTX480 in the summer , you have to keep the AC on full speed just so the video card doesn't burn. Imagine GTX480 in a closed case with not so good ventilation and after 1 year of dust build up , and in the summer . Can i speculate that most GTX480's will end up RMA ? Now about perf. , it's no denying it's faster than HD5870 but not enough to really matter , it consumes about 100-120W more , it's very very hot to the point of OMG it might ignite the case , it's loud but some people might not care about this , it has a much higher price. To imagine how high the price is for some country's , the card leaves asus/gigabyte/xfx and it's ready to be shiped to xxx country , that country has some customs taxes for IT/Tehnology stuff , when it gets in stores another tax is applied ( VAT ) , after these taxes the reseler adds his price too , Romania's price for GTX480 is 800$ or 600 euros , HD5870 price is 480$ or 362 euros, WHO THE FUC... IS CRAZY TO PAY SO MUCH FOR SO LITTLE ? What made Nvidia rich is not GPU computing , it's the gamers who spread the word Nvidia is great and convinced other people to buy Nvidia , so what is Nvidia doing now ? GPU computing ? accelerating encoding and some photo/video editing software ? ati does this too and it doesn't really matter much , most of us just play games , watch movies and surf the net on the computer , we are not professionals to need this The Nvidia plan now is let's get some game developers to sign our TWIMTBP and force Physx , crank up some absurd need of tesselation to the point Ati hardware will suffer and force the developers to avoid contact with Ati for optimizations. Until they deliver some good games that meet the above requirements i don't see anybody giving a shi.. about GTX480 , so start scheming Nvidia if you want to make a sale.

System Name:	Home
Processor:	Q6600 @ 3300
Motherboard:	Gigabyte p31 ds3l
Cooling:	TRUE Intel Edition
Memory:	4 gb x 800 mhz
Video Card:	Asus GTX 560
Hard Disk:	WD 1x250 gb Seagate 2x 1tb
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Software:	Windows 7 64

Mar 27, 2010, 10:27 PM	#49
oli_ramsay Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 2,679 (1.29/day) Thanks: 577 Thanked 592 Times in 450 Posts System Specs	Quite an impressive card, if it was a few dollars cheaper and a few degrees cooler and a few watts..... But why exactly weren't these cards 512 core? Did they disbale a few cuda cores for better yields? Are they likely to release 485's with 512 cores? And in turn will ATi release 4890's to compete with that?