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[hat]

I would prefer to have the seller anticipate the fees by including it in his asking price. As erocker said, list it for $42 instead of $40. I would much rather see that than see someone asking for a gift payment.

[Mussels]

if its done by gift, you cant get your money back should the seller be dodgy.

simple as that.

as hat says, the buyer should include it in the price if they're that worried about it.

[sneekypeet]

fits dont go here, you told me last night those goods were never in your hand via MSN, so should I dig up the MSN log I keep so you stop doing things like this?

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by Fitseries3

these rules need to be updated.

Clearly, software cannot be sold in any form as i get in trouble every time i try to sell something.

There is also an invisible rule that states you can only sell items purchased with your own money. so if your friend brings a bunch of stuff over for you to sell its against the rules EVEN IF IT IS IN YOUR POSSESSION.

sorry if im making anyone/everyone angry but there is no rule that states we cannot voice our opinion so long as it is relevant to the thread topic.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showth...16#post1846616

this thread was closed because you had one item for sale, which clearly written on itself is something that says its illegal to be sold on its own.



I cannot speak for other cases as i have just became a mod of that section, but this one was pretty clear.

[sneekypeet]

no I busted him for selling a friends goods, that he didnt have possetion of, now he wants a rewrite so he can have another loophole.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by Mussels

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showth...16#post1846616

this thread was closed because you had one item for sale, which clearly written on itself is something that says its illegal to be sold on its own.

I cannot speak for other cases as i have just became a mod of that section, but this one was pretty clear.

The rules are very clear. Besides, why does someone need someone else to sell on a forum? Sign up, wait 14 days and sell it. If you can't wait 14 days, use Craigslist or ebay or something. We don't change the rules just because it's convenient for someone be it a "staff" member or otherwise.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by sneekypeet

no I busted him for selling a friends goods, that he didnt have possetion of, now he wants a rewrite so he can have another loophole.

It is stated in the rules that you must have physical possesion of all items.

While you may make the argument you're selling it for a friend, the same excuse can be used to sell something you intend to buy off someone after you get paid - acting as a middleman and only purchasing the product for yourself AFTER you get a buyer at a higher price.

[Fitseries3]

i just want the rules to be clear to eliminate the loopholes and stop the problems.

that is all. not starting any crap here.

stop going negative on me.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by Fitseries3

i just want the rules to be clear to eliminate the loopholes and stop the problems.

that is all. not starting any crap here.

stop going negative on me.

thats why moderator decisions are final, and above that of the rules. unlike a legal system, you cant say 'its allowed because the rules dont say otherwise'

we have no rules against human organ trafficking, yet if someone tried selling their left testicle, it wouldnt be allowed even if they met all other rules.

[sneekypeet]

Originally Posted by erocker

The rules are very clear. Besides, why does someone need someone else to sell on a forum? Sign up, wait 14 days and sell it. If you can't wait 14 days, use Craigslist or ebay or something. We don't change the rules just because it's convenient for someone be it a "staff" member or otherwise.

joe_techy doesnt have the selling power of some of the established members, nor the heat and or trust

[Fitseries3]

Originally Posted by sneekypeet

joe_techy doesnt have the selling power of some of the established members, nor the heat and or trust

you get my point on that one. finally we agree on something.

Originally Posted by Mussels

thats why moderator decisions are final, and above that of the rules. unlike a legal system, you cant say 'its allowed because the rules dont say otherwise'

we have no rules against human organ trafficking, yet if someone tried selling their left testicle, it wouldnt be allowed even if they met all other rules.

i like you... you are one of the nicer mods. seems you are also the only one who doesnt have a problem with me... yet anyways.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by sneekypeet

no I busted him for selling a friends goods, that he didnt have possetion of, now he wants a rewrite so he can have another loophole.

Originally Posted by erocker

The rules are very clear. Besides, why does someone need someone else to sell on a forum? Sign up, wait 14 days and sell it. If you can't wait 14 days, use Craigslist or ebay or something. We don't change the rules just because it's convenient for someone be it a "staff" member or otherwise.

So it is ok to sell my friend's stuff, as long as he gives it to me first? Technically, I would then have possession of the items, even if I was giving the money to him after the sale.(Really, why would you care where the money goes after the sale?)

I mean, if I can take pictures of the actual item, doesn't that prove that I have it in my possession?

I mean, it seems like the easy solution is to just not say it is your friend's stuff. I know that is what I would do. I'm selling it, It's mine, end of story.

Originally Posted by Mussels

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showth...16#post1846616


this thread was closed because you had one item for sale, which clearly written on itself is something that says its illegal to be sold on its own.

http://img.techpowerup.org/100412/199.jpg

I cannot speak for other cases as i have just became a mod of that section, but this one was pretty clear.

OEM Windows is legal to sell on its own, as long as it hasn't been installed on any other computer before, and the package hasn't been opened. Once a person opens the package, they have to distribute/sell it with hardware.

That is how all the major e-tailers are allowed to sell them alone.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by sneekypeet

joe_techy doesnt have the selling power of some of the established members, nor the heat and or trust

so his friends post in the thread saying that seller has his support as an honest member.

If my friends want to sell something on TPU, i find it easier to get them to post the item, and me say "honest seller, i've seen the item myself and can verify its condition" - easier on everybody.

as for your edit above: they buy it with hardware, and they're supposed to sell it with hardware. Here in AU many stores sell them in a dubious fashion, but they require hardware to be sold with it. Unlike those stores however, TPU is responsible here for allowing illegal sales - not you. We simply cannot condone a sale for an item with such big letters that scream "THIS IS ILLEGAL"

[Fitseries3]

so items that were received on a review basis technically belong to the site they were reviewed on so cannot be sold here on TPU because that would be selling other people stuff?


user "Techpowerup.com" would need to create an account to sell review items.

i tell you what though.... i'd post in his thread "great seller here guys!"

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by Fitseries3

so items that were received on a review basis technically belong to the site they were reviewed on so cannot be sold here on TPU because that would be selling other people stuff?


user "Techpowerup.com" would need to create an account to sell review items.

i tell you what though.... i'd post in his thread "great seller here guys!"

Yes, as you have stated. this is why none of the hardware used for reviews here on TPU is sold.

so yes, you made quite a valid point there, although i dont get WHY you made that point.

[aCid888*]

Sell the OS with a stick of RAM or other 'hardware' and it wont be illegal.


I have two sticks of DDR2 (256mb ) for this purpose, when I come to sell some software I'll bundle them with it and off I go.

[sneekypeet]

you are taking it too far fits......

TPU review hardware has been and is currently being sold

if you have possetion and if qeuwstioned can prove it, I see no issue with selling a friends goods.
In fits case I asked for proof as it wasnt his photobucket, not his handwriting on the paper either. I asked for more proof, he couldnt produce it, thread closed.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by aCid888*

Sell the OS with a stick of RAM or other 'hardware' and it wont be illegal.


I have two sticks of DDR2 (256mb ) for this purpose, when I come to sell some software I'll bundle them with it and off I go.

thats how stores do it around here, but thats not to say its allowed here on TPU.

its a very simple matter: mods decided an item could not be sold here on TPU. thats it. he can sell it elsewhere, he didnt get an infraction, etc.

[Fitseries3]

Originally Posted by Mussels

Yes, as you have stated. this is why none of the hardware used for reviews here on TPU is sold.

so yes, you made quite a valid point there, although i dont get WHY you made that point.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/D...htable_Easy_V2

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=119614

its not?

really?

i have nothing against darksaber at all. but this makes your point invalid

[sneekypeet]

where does it state that they cant, I have seen reviewed goods go up for years here.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by Fitseries3

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/D...htable_Easy_V2

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=119614

its not?

really?

i have nothing against darksaber at all. but this makes your point invalid

alright, i missed that. i went looking for stuff from w1zzard, not other reviewers.


That said, we dont have the agreement for those items - were they given to TPU, or to dark personally?

[Easy Rhino]

i really don't think this thread is for arguing about rules. PM a mod if you have issues or ask w1zzard...

[t_ski]

Originally Posted by Mussels

we have no rules against human organ trafficking, yet if someone tried selling their left testicle, it wouldnt be allowed even if they met all other rules.

Damn, there go my plans to aquire a Gulftown CPU

[aCid888*]

Originally Posted by Mussels

thats how stores do it around here, but thats not to say its allowed here on TPU.

its a very simple matter: mods decided an item could not be sold here on TPU. thats it. he can sell it elsewhere, he didnt get an infraction, etc.

Its not allowed yet its perfectly legal?


That's like saying I cant sell a 300w Bestec PSU on here because it may (will) blow up when used with any rig.

I could sell it on here but doing so would in my view, be a bad idea....but there is no rule saying I cant sell such a bad PSU.


If it doesn't break any rules, forum, international or other...let it be sold.


That's my view on things.

[newtekie1]

Ya'll know possession and ownership are to different things, right?

I currently have an HD5970 in my main rig(yeah I really do), it is in my possession. However, my work actually owns it(I need to bring it back today). Of course, I wouldn't sell it because that would be the end of my job, and I like my job. However, according to the rules, I would be allowed to sell it here.

Just do the right thing. The mods are here to make sure that happens, and sometimes the line is a little fuzzy so they need to make a decision. If every possible situation was covered in the rules the first post would be a mile long.