32 Bit Memory Limits - Help

BazookaJoe · Jun 14, 2010, 08:32 AM

Hi all - I have a simple question :

I have a scrap build PC I'm using for grunt work - Its running 32Bit XP - and has 4GB ram installed - because the chips where spare - YES I KNOW it cant use it all. I dont care 3Gb is fine...

HERE'S THE PROBLEM - It used to have a 320Mb 8800GTS Installed - and during this time the PC had 3GB ram free - which was great because it was running some VM's.

the 8800GTS exploded and I replaced it with a super cheap 9400 just to keep it running - Now the 9400 has 1Gb ram - and ever since then the PC only has 2GB ram and my VM's are falling apart, fro lack of rams...

WE all know WHY this is - so please nobody start explaining that again - My question is - does anybody know of any way of "LIMITING" the 9400 to say 256MB ram or something - with drivers or whatever, to allow me to have more system ram?

Yes I realize this would make games run worse - But I ask you what could possibly make games run worse than having a 9400 in the first place? - This is a simple server PC, texture memory is irrelevant.

PLEASE no "Upgrade to 64Bit..." / "Buy a vid card with less ram.." or any other BS answers... I'm, looking for a fix, NOT to rebuild anything.

IF anyone knows of any way to make windows simply not recognize all of the Video Ram, then that will fix my problem immediately and for free - anyone have any ideas / heard of anything like this?

Maybe there's a way Of flashing the Video card to think it has less ram? any help?

NdMk2o1o · Jun 14, 2010, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BazookaJoe

PLEASE no "Upgrade to 64Bit..." / "Buy a vid card with less ram.." or any other BS answers... I'm, looking for a fix, NOT to rebuild anything.

IF anyone knows of any way to make windows simply not recognize all of the Video Ram, then that will fix my problem immediately and for free - anyone have any ideas / heard of anything like this?

Maybe there's a way Of flashing the Video card to think it has less ram? any help?

Well there is no way of doing what you asked, unfortunately the only option is to go x64, and sorry for the BS answer

BazookaJoe · Jun 14, 2010, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NdMk2o1o

Well there is no way of doing what you asked, unfortunately the only option is to go x64, and sorry for the BS answer

Heh - is ok - at least you got to the point in that you don't think it can be done - that's good enough.

TO all the Bios tweakers out there ... Surely its possible to jippo the video card bios to report less ram - I recently heard of 465's unlocking to 470's with a bios flash and gaining extra ram when they did - SURELY the reverse is possible too?

Jun 14, 2010, 08:39 AM

No, and it isnt a 'bs' answer, upgrade to 64 bit. Why cripple a perfectly fine GPU for the sake of being able to carry on using 32 bit?

Im sorry but this whole question just seems ridiculous to me.

Wile E · Jun 14, 2010, 08:40 AM

Have you tried the /3GB switch?

aCid888* · Jun 14, 2010, 08:45 AM

I've run a few 1GB cards with XP 32-bit and the OS still allowed me to use 3GB of the RAM I had installed.....I don't really see why your having an issue.

BazookaJoe · Jun 14, 2010, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kyle2020

No, and it isnt a 'bs' answer, upgrade to 64 bit. Why cripple a perfectly fine GPU for the sake of being able to carry on using 32 bit?

Im sorry but this whole question just seems ridiculous to me.

I don't care what you think about what I want to do, OR why - and I dont have all day to type a 30 page screenplay explaining it to you.

That is what I want to do, and if you cant be helpful then why respond at all?

BazookaJoe · Jun 14, 2010, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wile E

Have you tried the /3GB switch?

I have Thanks, but still no luck. :\

hat · Jun 14, 2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BazookaJoe

Well then STFU and don't answer.

I don't care what you think about what I want to do, OR why - and I dont have all day to type a 30 page screenplay explaining it to you.

That is what I want to do, and if you cant be helpful then why respond at all?

I feel the same way when I get BS answers or questions on why I'm doing whatever it is I'm doing, but ouch man, that's a bit harsh...

Anyway, try adding the /pae switch into boot.ini

Fourstaff · Jun 14, 2010, 08:50 AM

I thought there is an option somewhere to set your video ram down to any amount you wish, but I can be wrong or it only applies to onboard.

Frick · Jun 14, 2010, 08:50 AM

I don't think it can be done either. I'm pretty sure it can't be done. 64-bit would solve everything. Annnoying, yes, but true.

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Originally Posted by Fourstaff

I thought there is an option somewhere to set your video ram down to any amount you wish, but I can be wrong or it only applies to onboard.

Are you thinking about that AGP Aperture size thing maybe?

Wile E · Jun 14, 2010, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hat

I feel the same way when I get BS answers or questions on why I'm doing whatever it is I'm doing, but ouch man, that's a bit harsh...

Anyway, try adding the /pae switch into boot.ini

/3GB enables PAE by default. If he tried it, he did already try PAE by default.

@Bazooka, is the hardware even 64 bit capable?

Jun 14, 2010, 08:54 AM

Well, that was my $0.02, if you dont like it then thats your troubles for you alone to deal with. Im still completely baffled as to why you would even want to limit the card, when doing a simple, and by some methods free upgrade to 64 bit would solve everything?

Im not attacking you in any way, im just confused as to why this issue was even raised, it seems daft to limit a perfectly good card

slyfox2151 · Jun 14, 2010, 08:55 AM

maybe physicaly destroy some of the ram chips on the video card ? :d

BazookaJoe · Jun 14, 2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by slyfox2151

maybe physicaly destroy some of the ram chips on the video card ? :d

NOW' were talking... although the more I look at the 465 -> 470 Bios Unlock the more I think a bios patch CAN do this.

I'm just not really up to speed with Bios manipulation :\

Wile E · Jun 14, 2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Wile E

/3GB enables PAE by default. If he tried it, he did already try PAE by default.

@Bazooka, is the hardware even 64 bit capable?

Honest question here. I may have a fully legit and free solution if you are willing to upgrade to x64.

aCid888* · Jun 14, 2010, 09:02 AM

As I said, still not seeing your issue....

Wile E · Jun 14, 2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by aCid888*

http://img.techpowerup.org/100614/Capture122.jpg

As I said, still not seeing your issue....

Doesn't matter. Different setups react in different ways. Unless you have the identical hardware, your screenshots do not apply here.

aCid888* · Jun 14, 2010, 09:12 AM

Out of the 5 setups I've had using 1GB cards and 4GB RAM I've never had this issue.

I've even gone from 256mb graphics to 1GB and not had anything change when using 4GB of RAM.

I'd reinstall the OS and call it a good job...it'd no doubt fix the issue and isn't a BS idea.

Wile E · Jun 14, 2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by aCid888*

Out of the 5 setups I've had using 1GB cards and 4GB RAM I've never had this issue.

I've even gone from 256mb graphics to 1GB and not had anything change when using 4GB of RAM.

I'd reinstall the OS and call it a good job...it'd no doubt fix the issue and isn't a BS idea.

I lost 512MB of my ram when I went from a 512 to a 1GB card, too. It's not BS, it's quite normal. A fresh install did not fix it. Different mobos, hell just different BIOSes on the same mobo, can effect the outcome.

W1zzard · Jun 14, 2010, 09:17 AM

check if the graphics card is actually your problem by going into device manager -> graphics card -> resources -> memory

this should list all the memory ranges the card has claimed, check if those are really thatb ig

Mussels · Jun 14, 2010, 09:21 AM

you cant limit the card, you will need to go an x64 OS in order to use the extra ram.

dont forget that 32 bit apps in a 32 bit OS are capped at 2GB anyway, once you go x64 you can use up to 4GB per app (even if they're a 32 bit app) thanks to the large address aware feature.

There simply is no easy, quick way out of this... you either have to change hardware or change OS, to get what you want.

Jun 14, 2010, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

you cant limit the card, you will need to go an x64 OS in order to use the extra ram.

dont forget that 32 bit apps in a 32 bit OS are capped at 2GB anyway, once you go x64 you can use up to 4GB per app (even if they're a 32 bit app) thanks to the large address aware feature.

There simply is no easy, quick way out of this... you either have to change hardware or change OS, to get what you want.

Brace yourself for the backlash!

Its such a smack in the face obvious answer, im surprised this thread has even gone past post #2.

Mussels · Jun 14, 2010, 09:26 AM

i can understand him asking for another way to do it, but there simply isnt another way.

aCid888* · Jun 14, 2010, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile E

I lost 512MB of my ram when I went from a 512 to a 1GB card, too. It's not BS, it's quite normal. A fresh install did not fix it. Different mobos, hell just different BIOSes on the same mobo, can effect the outcome.

He complaining that he has 4GB RAM and only 2GB left to use when his card is installed....that isnt correct as he should have 3GB like me.

I know quiet well you lose RAM for installing cards but he's lost twice as much as he should have; it doesn't make sense to me.

Jun 14, 2010, 08:32 AM	#1
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kyle2020 Guest Posts: n/a (0/day)	No, and it isnt a 'bs' answer, upgrade to 64 bit. Why cripple a perfectly fine GPU for the sake of being able to carry on using 32 bit? Im sorry but this whole question just seems ridiculous to me.

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Jun 14, 2010, 08:54 AM	#13
kyle2020 Guest Posts: n/a (0/day)	Well, that was my $0.02, if you dont like it then thats your troubles for you alone to deal with. Im still completely baffled as to why you would even want to limit the card, when doing a simple, and by some methods free upgrade to 64 bit would solve everything? Im not attacking you in any way, im just confused as to why this issue was even raised, it seems daft to limit a perfectly good card

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aCid888* Join Date: May 2008 Location: In a state of flux... Posts: 2,297 (1.26/day) Thanks: 360 Thanked 660 Times in 547 Posts	Out of the 5 setups I've had using 1GB cards and 4GB RAM I've never had this issue. I've even gone from 256mb graphics to 1GB and not had anything change when using 4GB of RAM. I'd reinstall the OS and call it a good job...it'd no doubt fix the issue and isn't a BS idea. __________________ HTPC: E8500 @ 3.8GHz 1.20v ~ Passive Xiggy HDT-1283 ~ X38 Maximus Formula (Rampage BIOS) ~ 2x1GB Mushkin 1150mhz @ 950mhz 2.0v ~ 2x500GB RAID0 ~ eVGA 9800GTX+ SC ~ 52" Toshiba 1920x1080 LCD ~ Windows XP SP3 ~ Logitech Z-5500 5.1 “I would like to thank acid for this pivotal moment in internet history were he has just successfully forced the creation of a brand new meme.” -Solaris17

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