GTX 460 sli v.s HD 5870 cfx

Achilles1600 · Aug 14, 2010, 09:09 PM

http://hardocp.com/article/2010/08/0...on_hd_5870_cfx Check this out thea's guy's say GTX 460 1GB in sli beat out HD 5870's in cfx it cant be true.

newtekie1 · Aug 14, 2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Achilles1600

http://hardocp.com/article/2010/08/0...on_hd_5870_cfx Check this out thea's guy's say GTX 460 1GB in sli beat out HD 5870's in cfx it cant be true.

W1z's numbers show the GTX460 SLi about 10% behind a HD5970, which is about 10% behind two HD5870s in crossfire...

But yes, SLi does scale better than Crossfire, so it is no surprise that the GTX460 in SLi perform extremely well.

Eva01Master · Aug 14, 2010, 09:19 PM

It can't be true, HD5870 in CFX should be a good chunk faster than GTX 460 in SLI.

erocker · Aug 14, 2010, 09:23 PM

I believe it with DX11 titles and of course Metro 2033 thrown in there which is a heavily Nvidia optimized game. Currently SLi scales much better than CrossFire.

EastCoasthandle · Aug 15, 2010, 04:05 PM

His reviews have come under heavy criticism from members at both OCN forum and Beyond 3D forum. Heck if you read H's own forum people are questioning the results. Remember, they only benched 3 games.

DanishDevil · Aug 15, 2010, 04:12 PM

It does go to show the great value of the 460s though. This won't be true for all games, but in some, they win. IMO they are the best price/perf high-end cards on the market today. Too bad you can't SLI more than two.

EastCoasthandle · Aug 15, 2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DanishDevil

It does go to show the great value of the 460s though. This won't be true for all games, but in some, they win. IMO they are the best price/perf high-end cards on the market today. Too bad you can't SLI more than two.

Well let's not forget that those were not stock clocked SLI 460's but overclocked 460's at 810/1000/1620. Now the stock clock for them is 675/1350/900 if I recall correctly. Now mind you, 810/1000/1620 isn't a common stable 24/7 overclock for most who have it.

Now if you did a review with a 5850 CF 1050/1300 against a stock clock 470/480 SLI that would make the 5850 CF also look like a great value based on the performance. The truth is that it's the exception, not the rule.

phanbuey · Aug 15, 2010, 04:50 PM

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Well let's not forget that those were not stock clocked SLI 460's but overclocked 460's at 810/1000/1620. Now the stock clock for them is 675/1350/900 if I recall correctly. Now mind you, 810/1000/1620 isn't a common stable 24/7 overclock for most who have it.

Now if you did a review with a 5850 CF 1050/1300 against a stock clock 470/480 SLI that would make the 5850 CF also look like a great value based on the performance. The truth is that it's the exception, not the rule.

810 on a 460 is pretty common... most clock up to 840 on stock volts

EastCoasthandle · Aug 15, 2010, 05:00 PM

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810 on a 460 is pretty common... most clock up to 840 on stock volts

I'm not talking about just gpu at 810 but included memory and shaders = 810/1000/1620 as the overclock (using stock cooling). Also, I'm talking about stock cards overclocked to that 24/7 not suicide screenshots.

the54thvoid · Aug 15, 2010, 05:07 PM

Yeah, I keep on seeing reviews from other sites that keep comparing oc'd 460's to stock clocked ATI cards. And often it's with games like Far Cry 2 as the DX 9 game and Metro 2033 as DX 11.

I now only mainly trust reviews form Techpowerup and Hexus. Both sites are very unbiased and provide a good bench of games, normally.

EastCoasthandle · Aug 15, 2010, 05:12 PM

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Yeah, I keep on seeing reviews from other sites that keep comparing oc'd 460's to stock clocked ATI cards. And often it's with games like Far Cry 2 as the DX 9 game and Metro 2033 as DX 11.

I now only mainly trust reviews form Techpowerup and Hexus. Both sites are very unbiased and provide a good bench of games, normally.

I'm sure you are not the only one seeing that.

DanishDevil · Aug 15, 2010, 05:19 PM

I run my 460 at higher than that 24/7. 864/950/1728. Weaker memory, but I'm tellin ya these cards run perfectly at around 850 core.

EastCoasthandle · Aug 15, 2010, 05:23 PM

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I run my 460 at higher than that 24/7. 864/950/1728. Weaker memory, but I'm tellin ya these cards run perfectly at around 850 core.

And that's the difference

. I didn't say only the GPU but GPU, memory and shader. We who overclock already know you can OC the GPU at the cost of either memory or shader clock rate. And, know that if we do go for high OC it's usually not a 24/7 affair.

DanishDevil · Aug 15, 2010, 05:27 PM

Shader is always twice the core, unless you unlink them. My memory is only 50MHz down from his. And I have been gaming on this since I bought it at those speeds and haven't had a single crash or artifact.

EastCoasthandle · Aug 15, 2010, 05:28 PM

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Shader is always twice the core. My memory is only 50MHz down from his. And I have been gaming on this since I bought it at those speeds and haven't had a single crash or artifact.

Not my problem honestly. I only pointed out the clock rate of the card not the gpu.

DanishDevil · Aug 15, 2010, 05:30 PM

Just saying those are stable 24/7 clocks that are very common to these cards. Not saying that the OP's link was valid by any stretch of the imagination. I would like to see a fully stable OC'ed 460 SLI vs. fully stable OC'ed 5870 CF as well.

erocker · Aug 15, 2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DanishDevil

Just saying those are stable 24/7 clocks that are very common to these cards. Not saying that the OP's link was valid by any stretch of the imagination. I would like to see a fully stable OC'ed 460 SLI vs. fully stable OC'ed 5870 CF as well.

Get a 2nd 460 and I'll put up my 5850's with PhysX against them OC'd.

DanishDevil · Aug 15, 2010, 05:37 PM

We might be able to fool around a bit erocker

EastCoasthandle · Aug 15, 2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DanishDevil

Just saying those are stable 24/7 clocks that are very common to these cards. Not saying that the OP's link was valid by any stretch of the imagination. I would like to see a fully stable OC'ed 460 SLI vs. fully stable OC'ed 5870 CF as well.

But lets not forget we are talking about SLI though. That's why I said it wasn't common. And, any single personal results doesn't make it 24/7 and common to everyone else.

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Get a 2nd 460 and I'll put up my 5850's with PhysX against them OC'd.

Now that would be interesting to see.

DanishDevil · Aug 15, 2010, 05:43 PM

Should be here Tuesday

Might be out of town though.

EastCoasthandle · Aug 15, 2010, 05:47 PM

If you 2 guys can post some Mafia 2 benchmark results providing your best OC that would be great. Using both physx and without physx. Although I do see some issues with that benchmark program (frame rates decrease from start to finish). I would like to know how well 5850CF does with physx modded driver. Unless someone can suggest another game/benchmark?

DanishDevil · Aug 15, 2010, 05:48 PM

Free download right?

mdsx1950 · Aug 15, 2010, 06:01 PM

Two reasons why it's not true.

A.That GTX 460 is Overclocked alot.
B.A stock GTX 460 on SLI would be about equal or less than two 5850s CFX.

So the GTX460s might beat the HD5870s. But thats because of reason A. It's an unfair comparison.

cadaveca · Aug 15, 2010, 06:07 PM

IT think it's fair...from a marketing perspective.

"Look! Overclocked GTX460SLI=STOCK HD5870 Crossfire! @ almost half the cost!"

The fact that HD5870 isn't overclocked isn't important. The focus of such a review is the GTX460Sli, so new on the market.

It's good to see that everyone keeps thier salt handy, but I don't think this is even worth discussion, it's so blatantly obvious what's up here.

Loosenut · Aug 15, 2010, 06:12 PM

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