Steam for Linux, Valve says no.

[Sasqui]

Originally Posted by KieranD

DirectX is a windows API, linux and mac use OpenGL i thought that would be common knowledge.

+1 And one of the reasons windows DX based games aren't ported much if at all to those platforms.

Here's a very biased view of DirectX vs OpenGL: http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial...vsdirectx.html

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by douglatins

The money saved is like worth 2 games. And they will never get directx, i'm not narrow, im realist, and how much trouble would it be for 2% of users? At least apple fans have the money.
And you said it, a slew of FREE games...

first off, people don't use linux because it is free, they use it because it is better than windows. like myself, there are tens of thousands of people who specifically choose to run linux as a desktop because it is less prone to viruses, greater stability, better performance, and greater customization.

secondly, you dont need directx to play games. opengl is as good and is freely available to developers.

[AthlonX2]

i wouldnt say OpenGL is as good as DirectX but it does work

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by AthlonX2

i wouldnt say OpenGL is as good as DirectX but it does work

when developed properly for games it is actually better than directx. the problem is, there aren't 100,000 paid software engineers working on opengl.

[AthlonX2]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

when developed properly for games it is actually better than directx. the problem is, there aren't 100,000 paid software engineers working on opengl.

and thats why openGL and linux dont get games. People are too greedy

[DrPepper]

Originally Posted by AthlonX2

and thats why openGL and linux dont get games. People are too greedy

Yeah how dare they demand money for their work.

[crazyeyesreaper]

yup point is tho 64bit windows uses 1.5gigs average compared to 390mb on Ubuntu and i much prefer the interface of Ubuntu. not to mention that i would only need 2 gigs ram to accomplish the same tasks in Linux that require me to have 4gigs in Windows examples of this are rendering with Maya or 3dsmax among other 3d development tools. I was force in college to learn the apps across all platforms aka Mac Linux Windows.. external apps like Zbrush run like crap on anything other then windows with mac and linux so far behind windows releases its crap so im forced to use windows in that senario but Maya and 3ds max run so much better in Linux its night and day in terms of productivity.

more on topic Steam on Linux would be awesome but sadly it wont happen any time soon not untill Linux development shifts from server to desktop development.

A friend once told me that the operating system should be the stage not the entire fucking show sadly Windows is taking the route of the whole damn show.

and eitherway its moot at this point were all just beating a dead horse really

[DannibusX]

Well. I can forsee all future Valve games being programmed in OpenGL along side DirectX, so it's not too far of a stretch to think that Linux support is closer now than it ever was for mainstream Linux gaming.

That said, it may never happen, after all look at what company Gabe Newell worked for that actually made him rich.

[AthlonX2]

shit i thought the left for dead series was already OpenGL

[ctrain]

Originally Posted by Sasqui

+1 And one of the reasons windows DX based games aren't ported much if at all to those platforms.

Here's a very biased view of DirectX vs OpenGL: http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial...vsdirectx.html

Not really biased, just a decade out of date.

Originally Posted by crazyeyesreaper

and yet its by design and will fork it over but its STILL slower then linux which offers 99% of the same features except Direct X

Memory is infinitely faster than your hard drive, that's what it's doing and why it's doing it. Free ram is essentially wasted ram, the less HD access you can get away with, the better.

[caleb]

As long as its money making industry you can forget about dedicated Linux games.

And saying Linux is a better "regular user" OS is just pure bs. Linux was never intended to be nice and easy. Sure they are trying to make the GUI's decent but come on its still years behind Windows.
As far as I see it Windows has more chances to become solid like Linux than the other way around so were stuck with it.

[Solaris17]

IDK i dont see this as far fetched. Linux dominates the server world. While the wants of the few dont outweigh the wants of the many in this case I think its only a matter of time before someone takes the market risk and makes linux a viable platform for gaming. OpenGL far surpasses DX if you give it the time of day. Not to mention its open source. Developing would be cake if someone threw the $$ at it.

[Batou1986]

Where the problem comes in with linux is supporting its userbase as most with most games some type of technical support is expected.

Now imagine a not so bright user having a problem with the game, the millions of possible causes with different Distros, Versions, hardware profiles, etc.
You would need some pretty savvy ppl in that call center.

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by Batou1986

Where the problem comes in with linux is supporting its userbase as most with most games some type of technical support is expected.

Now imagine a not so bright user having a problem with the game, the millions of possible causes with different Distros, Versions, hardware profiles, etc.
You would need some pretty savvy ppl in that call center.

this is true and im not saying the process would be without hardship. However I do think that if the gaming industry gave linux the time of day instead of waiting for it to mature/standardize. Then enough development would go into making distros easier for people to use thus making them easier to support. Thus bringing more games and other various opportunities to the platform.

[jmcslob]

Originally Posted by Solaris17

IDK i dont see this as far fetched. Linux dominates the server world. While the wants of the few dont outweigh the wants of the many in this case I think its only a matter of time before someone takes the market risk and makes linux a viable platform for gaming. OpenGL far surpasses DX if you give it the time of day. Not to mention its open source. Developing would be cake if someone threw the $$ at it.

I don't think it's a matter of what's better or worse i think it's simply a matter of how many time saving libraries there are for DX....OpenGL is just as good but for the most part programs written for it have to start from scratch whereas you can just start where the last program left off with DX...not sure if that came out like I meant it..

[ctrain]

Originally Posted by Solaris17

IDK i dont see this as far fetched. Linux dominates the server world. While the wants of the few dont outweigh the wants of the many in this case I think its only a matter of time before someone takes the market risk and makes linux a viable platform for gaming. OpenGL far surpasses DX if you give it the time of day. Not to mention its open source. Developing would be cake if someone threw the $$ at it.

OpenGL is not open source, it's an API, not software.

The specification is open, but you won't be finding the source to any implementation of it.

[WhiteLotus]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

first off, people don't use linux because it is free, they use it because it is better than windows. like myself, there are tens of thousands of people who specifically choose to run linux as a desktop because it is less prone to viruses, greater stability, better performance, and greater customization.

secondly, you dont need directx to play games. opengl is as good and is freely available to developers.

Just to burst your bubble but I do. On the laptop, I needed an OS to get me onto the internet, Ubuntu is free.

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by ctrain

OpenGL is not open source, it's an API, not software.

The specification is open, but you won't be finding the source to any implementation of it.

my apologies for using the wrong terminology but the fact remains that anyone can use it and it is freely usable for anyone who wishes to impliment it.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by WhiteLotus

Just to burst your bubble but I do. On the laptop, I needed an OS to get me onto the internet, Ubuntu is free.

of course there are people who use linux because it is free.

the argument seems to go, if you are willing to pay for an OS then you are willing to pay for games. if you are unwilling to pay for an OS than you are unwilling to pay for games. this is obviously terrible logic as i would bet my first born that over 50% of TPU members are not running a legit version of windows yet pay for games on steam.

[WhiteLotus]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

of course there are people who use linux because it is free.

the argument seems to go, if you are willing to pay for an OS then you are willing to pay for games. if you are unwilling to pay for an OS than you are unwilling to pay for games. this is obviously terrible logic as i would bet my first born that over 50% of TPU members are not running a legit version of windows yet pay for games on steam.

That would be an interesting thing to get done actually. An anonymous survey of all the hardware and OS of everyone on TPU.... hmmmmmm

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

of course there are people who use linux because it is free.

the argument seems to go, if you are willing to pay for an OS then you are willing to pay for games. if you are unwilling to pay for an OS than you are unwilling to pay for games. this is obviously terrible logic as i would bet my first born that over 50% of TPU members are not running a legit version of windows yet pay for games on steam.

lold the worst part is is that this is probably true.

[KieranD]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

of course there are people who use linux because it is free.

the argument seems to go, if you are willing to pay for an OS then you are willing to pay for games. if you are unwilling to pay for an OS than you are unwilling to pay for games. this is obviously terrible logic as i would bet my first born that over 50% of TPU members are not running a legit version of windows yet pay for games on steam.

Thats probably true, Microsoft i would think gets its biggest share in doing OEM systems.
Open GL is open to any developer but they all use DirectX i am unsure when DirectX became the industry standard.

[F1reFly]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

I agree



Don't see why Valve needs to go through making there games as well as everything else compatible with an OS that probably has around 1% of market share(which the majority of that small percentage aren't gamers anyways). Pointless imo.

If Valve does make it compatible, then thats great, but imo it's a waste of time.

I guess you don't realize how large that 1% userbase has for Cedega and Wine. Most all serious Linux users have one or the other to play PC games on, what ones they can anyway.
Many gamers are enthusiasts by the necessity to be one in order to play buggy Windows games and work around Windows many, many issues it has presented over the years on that platform and Linux is the real enthusiast OS. Not windows, Windows is like AOL...its for dummies more or less and you have far less real control over what goes on and little control over Malware and what they exploit.

No doubt if games like Crysis 2 was on Linux, many more gamers would start to use it.

[CDdude55]

1% userbase has for Cedega and Wine. Most all serious Linux users have one or the other to play PC games on

Ok, so that 1% of Linux people are using another piece of software to run Windows games, where in which it only affect there profits. Of course it's large for them, but you have to look at the bigger scope of things.

Many gamers are enthusiasts by the necessity to be one in order to play buggy Windows games and work around Windows many, many issues it has presented over the years on that platform and Linux is the real enthusiast OS

Generally when a game is buggy, it's a developer issue, not an OS issue. Windows is a buggy OS to an extent yes, but it's still one of the most versatile operating systems around. Developers go where the money is, and currently, that's Windows. And yes, i guess those 5 people using Linux for games consider it an ''enthusiast OS''(lol, just a joke, i knows those 10 people are having a blast, just kidding again)

No doubt if games like Crysis 2 was on Linux, many more gamers would start to use it.

I think that's true to an extent, i mean if a developer actually cares enough to put a high profile game onto Linux, no doubt you'll have a a good amount of people playing it. But it's all about da benjamins, you aim for the OS with mass market appeal..(no matter how shitty it is)


It's like saying, man im tired of fucking Nike, my feet hurt in them and they look so fugly!!, the real enthusiast shoe is New Balance.... they deserve more money, they're more comfortable and everything!!. It's the marketing, its the advertising, it's the developer support, it's the people that make that ''shoe'' what it is... does that mean it's the best?, not necessarily. But does that mean it rakes in more every year?, hells ya it does.

Oh ya, and AOL failed because it's not the 90's anymore.lol

[hat]

I would be using linux if it wasn't for the Direct X monopoly. Sadly, as a gamer, if I moved to linux now, many games would be missed...