RIP the Wii

[HookeyStreet]

So, I bit the bullet and picked up the Playstation Move Starter Pack (1x motion controller, Eye camera & starter disc) an extra Motion controller and Start The Party (game).

This thing is FUN!!!!!!!! The whole family are going nuts over it, even the wife FFS!

Its so much more responsive and accurate than the Wii. You actually feel like your in control, not just pretending to be like on the Wii.

Nintendo better do something drastic, ie release the Wii 2 (or Wii HD) because this thing is going to sell well.

[TheLaughingMan]

Originally Posted by HookeyStreet

So, I bit the bullet and picked up the Playstation Move Starter Pack (1x motion controller, Eye camera & starter disc) an extra Motion controller and Start The Party (game).

This thing is FUN!!!!!!!! The whole family are going nuts over it, even the wife FFS!

Its so much more responsive and accurate than the Wii. You actually feel like your in control, not just pretending to be like on the Wii.

Nintendo better do something drastic, ie release the Wii 2 (or Wii HD) because this thing is going to sell well.

Wii motion plus is just as accurate. They also currently have a larger, more well developed library of titles were stuff actually happens, not like Shoot, Fight, and The Wavy Stick Game.

I give your fam say 4 days before the coolness factor wears off and they realize the games are lame and stop. Playstation better do something drastic, like release a game for it worth playing and not these test games.

[garyinhere]

was wondering if it was worth the purchase...been waiting on some people to buy it and let me know!
I've only used my ps3 for streaming the past 8 months so this might revitalize it!

[CDdude55]

I think one thing that you have to remember is that the Wii uses motion control as a standard controller, it's not an attachment. So i think you really aren't going to get that level of fluid/indepth motion control with the Wii, as it has to use it in all of it's games as opposed to Kinect and Move where you have certain games developed for that attachment.

I don't think Nintendo will do anything drastic to compete with them, they already have the most units sold out of all the consoles and they are already achieving there goal with the Wii, which is just getting everyone in on the action. As long as the Wii is still the cheapest console, it will always appeal more to the mainstream.

I have a PS3 and i still have yet to give Move a try, but really, the games so far out for move don't appeal to me and my family isn't very huge on getting together to play games anyways.

[zehpavora]

Wasn't Sony the one that bashed Nintendo because they were making a controller full based on motion sensors? Now they are the ones trying to take the crown?

Yeah, in my opinion, that's too late. Sony should put more effort in better controllers before making the console, but that's just my opinion...

Do not call me a fanboy, I have both the PS3 and the Wii. Don't play either anymore, just the PC. The PS3 has been downgraded to a Media Server Receiver and the Wii to a Dust Collector (it gets played when I get some friends over and Super Smash bros is close enough).

[KainXS]

it was inevitable, sony and ms did bash them but money moves you know,

If I had to pick I would pick none of them, on the wii most of the games suck in my opinion(most are for kids) I have used it only at a friends house(I don't have a motion plus for mine) and as for ps move, he has that too and that time i used it it did feel more accurate vs the motion plus but they're aren't really any games for it(only demos), and its still unproven.

I mean the way I see it the gameplay will be most important but in terms of the graphics wii can't match ps3/360 and some people are dumb enough to buy games with the oh it looks good mentality, if sony and microsoft spin that nintendo will be in trouble.

[HookeyStreet]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

Wii motion plus is just as accurate. They also currently have a larger, more well developed library of titles were stuff actually happens, not like Shoot, Fight, and The Wavy Stick Game.

I give your fam say 4 days before the coolness factor wears off and they realize the games are lame and stop. Playstation better do something drastic, like release a game for it worth playing and not these test games.

The Move has only just come out, so of course the Wii has the larger games library One thing the PS3 can offer over the Wii, is graphics quality. When the game devs start using the Move technology for 'real' gaming, ie Killzone 3, Wii owners will realise that they have nothing more than a GameCube 2.0

Im a big 360 fan, but I cant even see Kinect topping Move.

[digibucc]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

I don't think Nintendo will do anything drastic to compete with them, they already have the most units sold out of all the consoles

not to mention (though i will) they are the only console whose hardware sells for a profit. 360 sells at a loss and PS3 at an even larger one , and they make it up on software. Wii has already made a substantial profit for nintendo before it even gets started in software sales.

[Perseid]

Here's the problem. It's very unlikely Move(or Kinect) will be used for 'real' gaming. The Wii came with a Wiimote and Nunchuck, so everyone has one, so the developer of a Wii game doesn't have to worry whether they should support the Wiimote or not. With pretty much all after-market accessories like Move/Kinect and even the Wii MotionPlus, you get this catch 22 that developers don't want to depend on the device because they don't know if customers will buy them and customers won't buy them because they don't know if developers will support them.

I don't at all see a bright future for Move or Kinect.

[digibucc]

Originally Posted by Perseid

Here's the problem. It's very unlikely Move(or Kinect) will be used for 'real' gaming. The Wii came with a Wiimote and Nunchuck, so everyone has one, so the developer of a Wii game doesn't have to worry whether they should support the Wiimote or not. With pretty much all after-market accessories like Move/Kinect and even the Wii MotionPlus, you get this catch 22 that developers don't want to depend on the device because they don't know if customers will buy them and customers won't buy them because they don't know if developers will support them.

I don't at all see a bright future for Move or Kinect.

I beg to differ. Sony and Xbox will not release peripherals and then not push, entice, force publishers and devs to at least support it.

it will not be required for most games, but it will be supported ... and hopefully done well enough.

regardless.... i'm waiting.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by HookeyStreet

The Move has only just come out, so of course the Wii has the larger games library One thing the PS3 can offer over the Wii, is graphics quality. When the game devs start using the Move technology for 'real' gaming, ie Killzone 3, Wii owners will realise that they have nothing more than a GameCube 2.0

Im a big 360 fan, but I cant even see Kinect topping Move.

Move nor Kinect will never reach the status of the Wii, as i just said before, the Wii is catering motion out of the box towards the mainstream market as well as everyone else. It's more then just who's motion control feels better. ''real'' gaming is debatable, the Wii offers some fantastic games that the other consoles don't have and puts it's motion controls to work.

[KainXS]

no it depends on how they advertise it,

for example, when that 360 dashboard update hits, they will spam kinect to hell and back, the dashboard itself is even designed around the kinect, so you will know that there is a kinect, move on the other hand, their are commercials but commercials aren't enough, sony needs to advertise more.

but you can bet come this christmas, kinect will be spammed everywhere by ms, music videos, movies, pornos, everywhere, sony . . . . . . might have move left in the shadow though.

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by digibucc

not to mention (though i will) they are the only console whose hardware sells for a profit. 360 sells at a loss and PS3 at an even larger one , and they make it up on software. Wii has already made a substantial profit for nintendo before it even gets started in software sales.

That was the case initially, the 360 sold at a loss, but in the last year or so the 360s sales have been 100% profit. I can not say the same about the PS3.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by KainXS

no it depends on how they advertise it,

for example, when that 360 dashboard update hits, they will spam kinect to hell and back, the dashboard itself is even designed around the kinect, so you will know that there is a kinect, move on the other hand, their are commercials but commercials aren't enough, sony needs to advertise more.

but you can bet come this christmas, kinect will be spammed everywhere by ms, music videos, movies, pornos, everywhere, sony . . . . . . might have move left in the shadow though.

It's more then a matter of advertising though, i mean even price wise, most people don't know the difference between the motion controls each company offers. All they know if they want motion controls in their games and they're going the cheapest route to get there, and that would make the Wii the most viable option, then again it depends on the person, if you already have a PS3 or 360, then it's a different story.

Most people know the what the Wii is and it's motion control, but most don't about Move or Kinect and no matter how much they advertise it it won't reach the high of the Wii. Because as i said, people associate motion control with that system, no who just want's to play casual motion games would spend a bunch of time looking into it. They want the cheapest and the one they have heard of the most.

[RuskiSnajper]

Originally Posted by zehpavora

Wasn't Sony the one that bashed Nintendo because they were making a controller full based on motion sensors? Now they are the ones trying to take the crown?

Yeah, in my opinion, that's too late. Sony should put more effort in better controllers before making the console, but that's just my opinion...

Do not call me a fanboy, I have both the PS3 and the Wii. Don't play either anymore, just the PC. The PS3 has been downgraded to a Media Server Receiver and the Wii to a Dust Collector (it gets played when I get some friends over and Super Smash bros is close enough).

I didn't felt bad about the nintendo stuff , because we played the shit out of GCN and N64 , i was younger and we were always having parties and birthdays so we were playing starfoxes fzeros and smashbros , but why everybody think Wii is a dust collector , is simple , you're grown up , you don't have these parties all the time in the house , and a lot of people taken their roots in schools and ways and you get to know new friends ... that's basically the thing. You get to do a lot of stuff , so you're not at home always right , so that's what it is for me , and i don't feel bad about it , still , SOMETIMEs happens that we get to play togater but rarely, but i still have save data and all the records , how many hours i played consoles , it's easily more than any other game but more you grow up less you play that's normal.

[KingPing]

You all know there is a gameplay video of Killzone 3 with the move, and to me it sucks to much. The guy actually said there is a button that auto aims when close to an enemy, and the way it moves is annoying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5EXdbrfq2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-hjmku8HCM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkF579ekwCw

Move is really cool, but for certain games, real gaming should be played with real controllers (real gaming shouldn't have any sort of auto aim) and in the case on a FPS that would be a mouse and a keyboard, or at least they should release an hybrid controller-mouse or something.

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

Wii motion plus is just as accurate. They also currently have a larger, more well developed library of titles were stuff actually happens, not like Shoot, Fight, and The Wavy Stick Game.

I give your fam say 4 days before the coolness factor wears off and they realize the games are lame and stop. Playstation better do something drastic, like release a game for it worth playing and not these test games.

Is it really just as accurate, I don't really research any of this crap because I hate the idea of motion controllers, but I thought because of the camera that the PS Move would be more accurate, unless the Wii's getting that also.

And if his family was entertained with the Wii, I doubt it will wear off, the Wii has worn off me and I have played for maybe 10 min, if it doesn't wear off fast from something thats "eh", then it probably won't wear off easily.

Originally Posted by CDdude55

Move nor Kinect will never reach the status of the Wii, as i just said before, the Wii is catering motion out of the box towards the mainstream market as well as everyone else. It's more then just who's motion control feels better. ''real'' gaming is debatable, the Wii offers some fantastic games that the other consoles don't have and puts it's motion controls to work.

I don't think they are going for Wii status, they aren't depending on this, it's just another weapon for the arsenal, just like PS isn't banking on everyone rushing out and buying a TV that supports 3D for their console.

The Wii is the big dog in the motion market, but the motion market is mostly casual gamers. Almost everyone I know with one, is someone older who never ever though of buying a console before. My theory is, when Sega got beat senseless out of the Game by Sony and M$, they crapped their pants, their previous gen console sold low numbers and had games subpar to the rest, so they thought up a new market... people who aren't into gaming. And it paid off, what they did was unexpected, and they proved something would work that people didn't see coming. But the truth is, is the 360 nor the PS3 have that same audience, and they aren't going to alienate their audience to get it, but they want a little cut of the pie also. Nintendo has done a great job by dropping out of the higher end consoles, and yet still finding a massive way to profit, but it's different markets.

Originally Posted by KingPing

You all know there is a gameplay video of Killzone 3 with the move, and to me it sucks to much. The guy actually said there is a button that auto aims when close to an enemy, and the way it moves is annoying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5EXdbrfq2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-hjmku8HCM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkF579ekwCw

Move is really cool, but for certain games, real gaming should be played with real controllers (real gaming shouldn't have any sort of auto aim) and in the case on a FPS that would be a mouse and a keyboard, or at least they should release an hybrid controller-mouse or something.

If your looking for an amazing FPS on a console, thats the first problem. Almost all of them have some sort of auto aim assist to make up for the slow turning speed compared to mouse/keyboard. For certain games (real games/fps) they should be played with a keyboard and mouse, not a controller, I'll leave controllers to racing and fighting games. And your won't see mouse/keyboard on console because they went wireless, and they want simple, sit down on your couch, kick back, relax, play some games, they dont want you to have flat surfaces and a desk, or resting them on your lap and to your side.

[KingPing]

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

If your looking for an amazing FPS on a console, thats the first problem. Almost all of them have some sort of auto aim assist to make up for the slow turning speed compared to mouse/keyboard. For certain games (real games/fps) they should be played with a keyboard and mouse, not a controller, I'll leave controllers to racing and fighting games.

JAJAJAJAJA, an amazing FPS on a console,that's a good one

Auto aim = cheating.

I'm not looking for a console FPS (thanks god) i was just pointing out that, the way move is implemented in killzone 3 is lame.

[TRIPTEX_CAN]

Sony can't even release enough good games to put the PS3 above the 360 or Wii using their 3rd generation console based on standard controllers so what makes Sony think this will change anything for them. 90% of the games Sony release for Move will be more or less copies of what nintendo has already done.

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by KingPing

JAJAJAJAJA, an amazing FPS on a console,that's a good one

Auto aim = cheating.

I'm not looking for a console FPS (thanks god) i was just pointing out that, the way move is implemented in killzone 3 is lame.

I know, I'm just saying that looking for an FPS on a console in the first place is the wrong place to look.

Originally Posted by TRIPTEX_MTL

Sony can't even release enough good games to put the PS3 above the 360 or Wii using their 3rd generation console based on standard controllers so what makes Sony think this will change anything for them. 90% of the games Sony release for Move will be more or less copies of what nintendo has already done.

The PS3 has many more exclusives that are better games now days, the past of "xbox has halo so it's exclusives are better" is long gone, the ps3 exclusives have been better for quite a while now, a lot of great games to buy. Some games might be copies, but they aren't just making copy games, they are implementing move into games that have been exclusives, like said above, Killzone, Little Big Planet 2, Infamous 2, Oddworld: Strangers Wrath, R.U.S.E, SOCOM 4, Time Crisis, Tron, and a ton more. That list of game is almost all exclusives, and had prequels that were awesome, and are almost all types of games that Nintendo doesn't have games out like them. They aren't trying to make another Wii fit here, there will be some kiddie games and casual games to pull in that market that bought them as cheap media/Bluray players, that they actually want to get to play their games, but they are trying to hit their core market with this more so, even games like NBA 2K11 is suppose to support it.

[DaveK]

The Wii, Kinect and Move all suck. I like to kick back on the couch, put my feet up and play some games. If I want to move around, I'll go outside. When I play video games, I like to do things I can't do in reality and if I want to play FPS or racing games I don't want to be flailing like an idiot. Everything else I can just do in real life.

[HookeyStreet]

Originally Posted by DaveK

The Wii, Kinect and Move all suck. I like to kick back on the couch, put my feet up and play some games. If I want to move around, I'll go outside. When I play video games, I like to do things I can't do in reality and if I want to play FPS or racing games I don't want to be flailing like an idiot. Everything else I can just do in real life.

Me too, but I have to admit, Im enjoying Move at the moment.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by DaveK

The Wii, Kinect and Move all suck. I like to kick back on the couch, put my feet up and play some games. If I want to move around, I'll go outside. When I play video games, I like to do things I can't do in reality and if I want to play FPS or racing games I don't want to be flailing like an idiot. Everything else I can just do in real life.

Reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfEGd...ext=1&index=37

Hilarious.

[NinkobEi]

Nintendo has already made several times the cash that sony could ever hope to make on their PS3. Nintendo isn't hurting I assure you ;P A newer wii will be around sooner than the ps4.

[jasper1605]

Originally Posted by digibucc

not to mention (though i will) they are the only console whose hardware sells for a profit. 360 sells at a loss and PS3 at an even larger one , and they make it up on software. Wii has already made a substantial profit for nintendo before it even gets started in software sales.

The PS3 is selling for a small profit now. Not sure about the 360 though I imagine they've done the same and have a small profit on it. link