[HELP:] stuttering in every games!

tjane · Sep 20, 2010, 02:30 PM

Hello,
i have:
athlon 240 with xigmatek achilles, 39'C at fulload
biostar 8200e
visipro 2gb pc2-6400
wdc 320gb
fsp saga 2 500w (i've just upgrade from speedpower 350w but don't fix the problem

)
xfx 4850
monitor crt 15 inch (i play only at 1024x768)

i play crysis:warhead, prototype get stuttering very bad.. even at all minimum detail it still happen..stuttering happen when games loading new building

this problem is caused by cpu or gpu??

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update: stuttering also happen to nfs

rostreet, nfs:carbon when car run very fast in game..using catalyst 10-2 until 10-9 doesnt fix it..enable vsync fix a little, doesnt mean finishing the problem...and, sometimes stuttering happen in game menu like prototype LOL

Mussels · Sep 20, 2010, 02:35 PM

the problem is more likely to be your hard drive, actually.

defrag it, quit all other programs that could use the drive when gaming (defraggers, antivirus, windows indexing, etc)

tjane · Sep 20, 2010, 02:36 PM

i have defrag all partitions yesterday...doesnt fix anything

Mussels · Sep 20, 2010, 02:38 PM

try quitting all running programs then, you can use MSCONFIG to prevent programs starting with windows easily (and turn them back on later), to determine if its a compatibility issue.

tjane · Sep 20, 2010, 02:56 PM

i dont use any antivirus..and changing into windows 7 doesnt fix problem too..

brandonwh64 · Sep 20, 2010, 02:59 PM

do a speed test with the drive, it may be failing

TRIPTEX_CAN · Sep 20, 2010, 03:17 PM

More ram needed IMO. You're most likely stuttering because your system in unable to load enough of the game data into your RAM so it uses the system pagefile to load info. Since the HDD is always the slowest link in a system your gaming experience will naturally suffer from stuttereing as your HDD is used to read and write info that is actually needed to be swapped 1000 times faster just to maintain "smooth" gameplay.

tjane · Sep 20, 2010, 03:27 PM

i use hd-tune, benchmark is well..

btw, my processor is "TRAY" is that a matter??

Mussels · Sep 20, 2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tjane

i use hd-tune, benchmark is well..

btw, my processor is "TRAY" is that a matter??

no. tray just means it came without a heatsink, and with a reduced warranty. doesnt alter performance at all.

cadaveca · Sep 20, 2010, 03:35 PM

Sounds like your gpu just isn't quite fast enough. But that seems wrong...

Is it possible for you to host a video somewheres that shows the stutter?

TRIPTEX_CAN · Sep 20, 2010, 03:45 PM

Check your HDD activity light. If the light is flashing in a relation to the stuttering on screen then you have your answer.

cadaveca · Sep 20, 2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIPTEX_MTL

Check your HDD activity light. If the light is flashing in a relation to the stuttering on screen then you have your answer.

That's a good one!

shakaxd · Sep 20, 2010, 03:53 PM

CPU throttling under load? A failing CPU fan could cause this

phanbuey · Sep 20, 2010, 04:11 PM

Its hard drive thrashing. Either windows services or not enough ram.

tjane · Sep 20, 2010, 04:12 PM

^
so it means my hardisk has a bad sector? or what?
what should i do??

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Is it possible for you to host a video somewheres that shows the stutter?

im sorry my internet connection only 64kbps

brandonwh64 · Sep 20, 2010, 04:17 PM

i play some of those games u listed on my older AMD Athlon 5400+ BE with 2GB of DDR2 and a 8800GTS 640MB (G80) and they played pretty decent on medium settings so there must be a program u have running in the back ground hogging resources or your hard drive is messing up.

Mussels · Sep 20, 2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tjane

^
so it means my hardisk has a bad sector? or what?
what should i do??

im sorry my internet connection only 64kbps

it means that your hard drive is too slow for what you're doing.

it SHOULDNT be too slow, so you've got to figure out whats slowing it down - meaning, whats using it as the same time as your games.

It is also possible that you dont have enough ram, as someone else said earlier - when you run out of ram the hard drive is used instead, and its a hella lot slower than ram.

Also, you said you dont run any antivirus... so its also possible thats your problem there.

streetfighter 2 · Sep 20, 2010, 04:21 PM

I had the same problem. It fixed itself when I upgraded from XP SP2 to 7 x64 (build 7600).

Alternatively you can use D3Doverrider (packaged with RivaTuner) to force triple-buff but it'll come at a great cost in game performance. On the other hand it shouldn't stutter nearly as much.

tjane · Sep 20, 2010, 04:25 PM

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it means that your hard drive is too slow for what you're doing.

i do benchmark with hd-tune, min:49MB/s max:120MB/s average:85MB/s

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It is also possible that you dont have enough ram, as someone else said earlier - when you run out of ram the hard drive is used instead, and its a hella lot slower than ram.

i always palying games at 1024x768 max detail w/o physiX, not more..i think 2gb is enough

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Also, you said you dont run any antivirus... so its also possible thats your problem there

i never connect my gaming-pc to internet..just using my crap netbook

Mussels · Sep 20, 2010, 04:26 PM

alright, good points.

2GB of ram is enough for games alone at that resolution, but what if you're running more than just games? start up one of these lagging games and run it in windowed mode, and take a screenshot of task manager - show us how much ram is being used.

(this screenshot ONLY helps if the game is running at the time, and not minimised)

EastCoasthandle · Sep 20, 2010, 04:27 PM

How do you have your page file setup? Are you using a custom size?
Also, check the power option settings. If you keep it plugged in you should be able to use Balanced or High Performance.

tjane · Sep 20, 2010, 04:27 PM

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How do you have your page file setup? Are you using a custom size?

yes, i give same value to each column=4GB

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I had the same problem. It fixed itself when I upgraded from XP SP2 to 7 x64 (build 7600).

ive just upgrade win 7 ultimate 32bit(dual boot)..doesnt fix anything

oh ya, almost forgot..
before using xfx 4850, i used powercolor hd3650 with athlon 240 with very small heatsink..playing prototype runs smoothly stable, no stuttering at all (when using amacrox speedpower 350w)

play@ 1024x768, low detail, vsync off

phanbuey · Sep 20, 2010, 04:54 PM

are the stutters exactly the same amount of time apart? or do they occur randomly?

also - have you tried backing off the OC to 3.2Ghz?

tjane · Sep 20, 2010, 04:59 PM

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are the stutters exactly the same amount of time apart? or do they occur randomly?

it happens when the game loading many building or when playing racing games, in this chase stuttering happens when car runs very fast in game

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also - have you tried backing off the OC to 3.2Ghz?

YES, of course..i sett it back to default at 2.8ghz..but not changing anything..i feel same condition..OCing doesnt increase game's fps..of course still stutter

phanbuey · Sep 20, 2010, 05:04 PM

how much memory is on the HD 4850? 1GB?

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