Inno3D GeForce GTX 580 Pictured

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Do they not realize that two GTX470s in SLi for $500 outperform an HD5970 for $650 as well?

5970's new price is $429. So yes, it should be considered a fair compare to 580GTX, as 580GTX is more expensive.

That means that 2x460 doesn't compete, and 2x470 is also more than 5970 now. Market is getting real tight..I hope GTX580 can exceeed expectations, or else it might get overlooked.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

5970's new price is $429. So yes, it should be considered a fair compare to 580GTX, as 580GTX is more expensive.

That means that 2x460 doesn't compete, and 2x470 is also more than 5970 now. Market is getting real tight..I hope GTX580 can exceeed expectations, or else it might get overlooked.

$429? Not anywhere I've seen.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

$429? Not anywhere I've seen.

Perhaps in Canada. You can get one on Newegg for $469 after rebate. SAPPHIRE 100280SR Radeon HD 5970 (Hemlock) 2GB 512...

580 is still cheaper than the 8800GTX and Ultra were.

[N3M3515]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

$429? Not anywhere I've seen.

here

$100 cheaper than the estimate $599 of the gtx580, and 20 bucks cheaper than gtx470 sli.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

My point is that just because you can't afford it, that doesn't make it overpriced. Higher performance comes at a higher price premium, it has always been this way and it will always be this way.

I agree in the aspects that just because someone can't afford something that it doesn't mean the product is overpriced. As people do tend to say that it is mainly due to then not being able to buy it. But this case is a bit differant. $600 isn't an average premium for a single GPU card, premium performance comes at a premium price, but there is a limit to everything based on the circumstance and positiong of the card. We don't know the true performance of this card, so maybe if they are charging that much, then maybe the performance matches up with the price, we don't know. I don't think it's a matter of affording it, i think if anyone really wanted to they could save up and pick it up eventually, but you have to reilze pricing especally in this econimic climate really matters and imo $600 is clearly to much for a card unless it's pushing ungodly performance or it cooks me pizza while giving me a blowjob at the same time. But if it doesn't meet it's price tag, then yes, it's clearly overpriced. To you it may not be, you may work at a nice pushy company that wipes your ass with hundred dollar bills, but for an average persons circumstance it's about good performance for a reasonable price, if it doesn't meet that price tag in every way imaginable it is overpriced.

Now of course who knows, this card could wipe the floor with the 5970, 6970 and give you two free games with it, but we don't know that, and for people like me seeing this price is over my bounderies for my wallet atm.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

$429? Not anywhere I've seen.

Retailers are still gouging a bit...but $499 is about the highest it should sell for, which is still a far cry from $650, and similarily priced to GTX470 SLI. And that pricing is intentional.

Amd is attacking nVidia's bottom line. The only way these can be a success is if the performance is there. And for my tri-mon wishes, I need that performance, too.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

I agree in the aspects that just because someone can't afford something that it doesn't mean the product is overpriced. As people do tend to say that it is mainly due to then not being able to buy it. But this case is a bit differant. $600 isn't an average premium for a single GPU card, premium performance comes at a premium price, but there is a limit to everything based on the circumstance and positiong of the card. We don't know the true performance of this card, so maybe if they are charging that much, then maybe the performance matches up with the price, we don't know. I don't think it's a matter of affording it, i think if anyone really wanted to they could save up and pick it up eventually, but you have to reilze pricing especally in this econimic climate really matters and imo $600 is clearly to much for a card unless it's pushing ungodly performance or it cooks me pizza while giving me a blowjob at the same time. But if it doesn't meet it's price tag, then yes, it's clearly overpriced. To you it may not be, you may work at a nice pushy company that wipes your ass with hundred dollar bills, but for an average persons circumstance it's about good performance for a reasonable price, if it doesn't meet that price tag in every way imaginable it is overpriced.

Now of course who knows, this card could wipe the floor with the 5970, 6970 and give you two free games with it, but we don't know that, and for people like me seeing this price is over my bounderies for my wallet atm.

I've said this several times, I believe I've even said it to you, price doesn't rise linearly with performance. The higher performance cards cost a lot more money than they are worth. We've seen it time and time again.

If you don't believe me go look at any of W1z's reviews. Look at the performance per $ page, and all off the high end cards will have the worst performance per $.

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Retailers are still gouging a bit...but $499 is about the highest it should sell for, which is still a far cry from $650, and similarily priced to GTX470 SLI. And that pricing is intentional.

Amd is attacking nVidia's bottom line. The only way these can be a success is if the performance is there. And for my tri-mon wishes, I need that performance, too.

Even if it is priced identically to the GTX470 SLI, and I'll give you the benefit and say that it is. The HD5970 is still outperformed. But the fact that it is the highest performing single card means it comes at a price premium.

Anyway, that isn't really my point, my point is that it is stupid, and annoys the piss out of me, when ever there is a high end GPU released or in the new and someone says "OMFG, it is so overpriced, two lower end XYZ cards are cheaper and perform better."

[N3M3515]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

I've said this several times, I believe I've even said it to you, price doesn't rise linearly with performance. The higher performance cards cost a lot more money than they are worth. We've seen it time and time again.

If you don't believe me go look at any of W1z's reviews. Look at the performance per $ page, and all off the high end cards will have the worst performance per $.



Even if it is priced identically to the GTX470 SLI, and I'll give you the benefit and say that it is. The HD5970 is still outperformed. But the fact that it is the highest performing single card means it comes at a price premium.

Anyway, that isn't really my point, my point is that it is stupid, and annoys the piss out of me, when ever there is a high end GPU released or in the new and someone says "OMFG, it is so overpriced, two lower end XYZ cards are cheaper and perform better."

Well my friend, not everyone thinks like you.

[trt740]

Originally Posted by N3M3515

Well my friend, not everyone thinks like you.

still this card will be a monster and the most complexed GPU on the planet so I for one want one. I do like the 5970 it's a great card but two gpu's do cause headaches sometimes. It seems to have gotten a bunch better but still.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

I've said this several times, I believe I've even said it to you, price doesn't rise linearly with performance. The higher performance cards cost a lot more money than they are worth. We've seen it time and time again.

If you don't believe me go look at any of W1z's reviews. Look at the performance per $ page, and all off the high end cards will have the worst performance per $.

But im not arguing that, im not advocating that if performance moves up so does price it depends a lot on the positioning of the card like i said. All i'm saying is there is a limit to how much people like me can spend on a single GPU card and this is out of my boundaries. No doubt we don't get performance that matches pricing, they spend tons of money of R&D and marketing, they're giving us these cards for a pretty good bargain actually and strive just to gain some of it back to survive, it makes sense to me, but not to my wallet with pricing this high.

[HillBeast]

Originally Posted by btarunr

http://img.techpowerup.org/101104/18077_2.jpg

I'm pretty sure they said GTX580 was going to be 512bit. This picture clearly stats 384bit.

Lies. This card ain't real.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

But im not arguing that, im not advocating that if performance moves up so does price it depends a lot on the positioning of the card like i said. All i'm saying is there is a limit to how much people like me can spend on a single GPU card and this is out of my boundaries. No doubt we don't get performance that matches pricing, they spend tons of money of R&D and marketing, they're giving us these cards for a pretty good bargain actually and strive just to gain some of it back to survive, it makes sense to me, but not to my wallet with pricing this high.

That is why the people that don't mind paying extreme prices for the super high end pay for it, and the people who know a little better and don't care so much about their e-peen buy slightly lower end and get virtually identical performance for less money. That is why I own GTX470s and GTX460s instead of GTX480s, because I know the value is better for those cards. But just because a cards value isn't as good as a lower end card, that doesn't mean it is overpriced. IMO, the only thing that makes a card overpriced is if there is a direct single card solution that performs nearly identically for less.

Originally Posted by HillBeast

I'm pretty sure they said GTX580 was going to be 512bit. This picture clearly stats 384bit.

Lies. This card ain't real.

I remember a rumor saying that, but nothing was confirmed. I would be surprised if they stuck with the 384-bit design. I don't think they could afford the die space and extra TDP of adding more memory controllers to the GPU.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

That is why the people that don't mind paying extreme prices for the super high end pay for it, and the people who know a little better and don't care so much about their e-peen buy slightly lower end and get virtually identical performance for less money. That is why I own GTX470s and GTX460s instead of GTX480s, because I know the value is better for those cards. But just because a cards value isn't as good as a lower end card, that doesn't mean it is overpriced. IMO, the only thing that makes a card overpriced is if there is a direct single card solution that performs nearly identically for less.

Same reason why i got my GTX 470, price and performance are both very important and if i can get a card similar in performance(or almost), for a couple hundred dollars less, i'm going with that card. I just think for $600, it's really got to pull it's weight performance wise over the other cards in the series and it's competitors series, because if not, you're just left with a very expensive card that really isn't all that worth it. Now of course some want the best of the best and as you said, they will pay that price for it. But i really want to see how this card performs and to see where it stacks up, because $600 is over my limit for single GPU but if it stacks up well with the other card out on the market at the time(6970, 5970 and possibly GTX 570), then it just might be the card the enthusiasts need to shoot for.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Anyway, that isn't really my point, my point is that it is stupid, and annoys the piss out of me, when ever there is a high end GPU released or in the new and someone says "OMFG, it is so overpriced, two lower end XYZ cards are cheaper and perform better."

No dumb ass. XYZ GPUs was bought about by Intel years ago. Now they just make silicon based potato peelers.

[alexsubri]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

That means that 2x460 doesn't compete, and 2x470 is also more than 5970 now. Market is getting real tight..I hope GTX580 can exceeed expectations, or else it might get overlooked.

Agreed. Once nVidia released their Directx 11 card's, it didn't take that long for them to come back. I give them that. But, if the 580 doesn't perform as well as the 6990 or at least 6970 a lot of nVidia fan's are going to be dissapointed. I think that's why AMD is so tight lipped about their new 6970 and 6990. It's all about marketing. Only time will tell.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by N3M3515

Well my friend, not everyone thinks like you.

well, they should.

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

No dumb ass.

multi lol

[jeremy4465]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Is that ... made of wood?

sorry no it isn't but lots of plastic intead

[trt740]

It was about the gtx 480 and it about sum's it all up for the gtx 580.

It went something like this, I could careless if Nvidia powers this card with a Nuclear Reactor and forges it using the Devils own Flames and Virgins blood, as long as it is the fasts card I can buy, who cares. Thats not exactly how it went but that gives you the general spirit. Ya have to have power and heat to feed a beast. Heck the 5970 is power hungry and hot as-well.

[EarthDog]

Guys... like was said on here already, you pay a premium for the fastest card out in its class, be it single or dual gpu's.

Some want to compare on pricepoints, others want to compare on # of GPUs. What is wrong though to me is the constant shock some have over this card being priced where it is. My polite suggestion is to get your head out of the sand and recall this happening every single release that I can recall since G80 (which as erocker said cost MORE than $599). Sure it may be overpriced (to some) but you have to be desensitized by it at this point...

[R_1]

Original baconator shroud was more potent than this one. Looks to me like unnecessary cost reduction.

[CDdude55]

Some good info on the 580:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCPMHIDpT88

Vapor chamber cooling!

[erocker]

Originally Posted by R_1

Original baconator shroud was more potent than this one. Looks to me like unnecessary cost reduction.

Originally Posted by CDdude55

Some good info on the 580:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCPMHIDpT88

Vapor chamber cooling!

Hmmm.. This leads me to wonder how the 580 would do with the "baconator" (nice name) cooler.

[wahdangun]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

Some good info on the 580:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCPMHIDpT88

Vapor chamber cooling!

hmm no way, if GTX 580 was used vapor chamber then why its look identical like GTX 480 ?



its just fully enabled GTX 480 and not worth the price premium

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by wahdangun

hmm no way, if GTX 580 was used vapor chamber then why its look identical like GTX 480 ?

http://img.techpowerup.org/101107/GTX580_HDO_Offer.jpg

its just fully enabled GTX 480 and not worth the price premium

That's because that picture is fake more likely and that video i posted is from Nvidia themselves.

Please don't tell me you actually think that picture is real.(then again you are a heavy AMD fan)

Go to the bottom of this thread: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Reference Design Graphics ... and you'll see some actual real pictures.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

(then again you are a heavy AMD fan)

Who cares? Your obviously a heavy (place name here) fan as every other post out of you, you feel you need to defend the unamed company. You have people from both sides and people who just don't care, get over it. Half these people you label as "fans" have their reasons to have whatever hardware they have, what should it matter to you? If you feel slighted because this forum is "an AMD fanboy site" as you have stated previously (which it clearly isn't), maybe it's time you go find a pure Nvidia website so you can just post and agree with all the other members and live in harmony. It's obviously a GTX 480 shown in the picture and judging by what little we know about the cards performance it is a fully enabled GTX 480, most likely picked from better silicon with a few changes in cooling. It is what it is. Looking at the picture that I posted in the link you posted you'll notice it is exactly a GTX 480 layout. The only noticable difference is the lack of airflow holes in the PCB due to the new cooling design.