NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 1.5 GB

[qubit]

I'm waiting for the Charlie D article frothing at the mouth that he was right.

This is still a really good card, even if it's not at the level that some journalist thinks it should be at.

Look, it's really easy for all of us to say the Fermi design should be this or that, but we're not the poor sods who have to design and implement it. The devil's in the details with stuff like this. And there's a lot of details.

Heck, we're even seeing that AMD's latest top-end is getting pushed back due to the same sorts of issues.

[Red_Machine]

Hear hear, johnny!

[bear jesus]

Great review as always but i have to admit I'm disappointed I know there was only so much that could be done going from gf100 to gf110 but i was really hoping for the 580 to beat a pair of 6870's in crossfire.

Admittedly i would have wanted to run 3 monitors off one card and luckily i didn't have any hope for nvidia to do that once i saw the pictures of the display outputs, so the 580 would not have been up to the task, i was just hoping for more options for a single high end card than just the 6970

I wish this was the card that nvidia released last year so they would have had something even better out right now, but I'm not saying it's a bad card as it does give great fps and has reduced it's power usage but it really is the 485 or basically what the 480 was supposed to be.

[hv43082]

Wow, this release lowered the ATI 5970 cost to $470 after $30 MIR from newegg.

[johnnyfiive]

Originally Posted by johnnyfiive

BTW guys, I think minimum frame rates are being overlooked... by a lot of you guys.
For each person saying the card is inferior to the 5970, that its too late, that its not really worth the $559 price tag... you're wrong. It beats the 480, by a decent mount, same with the 5870. It performs as well in most cases, as the 5970.., and the kicker, it has a equal or sometimes better minimum frame rate as the 5970, has CUDA, and much improved tessellation performance.

So what am I missing that the majority of you guys are bashing on?

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-11.html

Look at those minimum frame rates fellas. I love the reviews on TPU, but minimum frame rate really should be added to reviews. It makes a big difference. Max frame rate is nice to know.. but its not nearly as important as the minimum fps rate. Think about it, if you have a 60hz monitor, is having 120 max, 55 min better than having 110 max, 65 min? The 580 is awesome for being single GPU.

And you can't tell me this isn't impressive...

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._2560_1600.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._2560_1600.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._2560_1600.gif

As for it being more expensive than a 5970... some 5970's are $600, and its OLD architecture. It's just two 5850's basically. For being a single GPU, improving Fermi architecture, improving thermals and power consumption... this is a great card for $559.

Quoting this, cause this needs to be on page 3.

Edit: As for folding... it slaughters the 480.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-20.html

The 580 is awesome guys...

[dies900]

I´m really surprised how much less power and more performance
it should have been 480 or maybe 485:P
nice work nvidia(Y)

[bear jesus]

If you think about it this really is what nvidia intended to bring up against the 5870/90, if they had done it then they would have thrashed ati/amd so bad by having a single chip card that beats their dual chip card in many tests.

Originally Posted by johnnyfiive

Edit: As for folding... it slaughters the 480.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-20.html

The 580 is awesome guys...

I agree the 580 will give some people an awesome increase in PPD

[johnnyfiive]

The 480 easily beats the 5870... the 580 is single GPU, manhandles the 5870, easily beats 480, and is neck and neck with the 5970 in the majority of games/tests. What more do ya want bear!?

[bear jesus]

Originally Posted by johnnyfiive

The 480 easily beats the 5870... the 580 is single GPU, manhandles the 5870, easily beats 480, and is neck and neck with the 5970 in the majority of games/tests. What more do ya want bear!?

I want a good thrashing, double the fps of an ati chip

If the 580 had beaten the 5970/6870 crossfire by a bigger margin it could have been enough for me to consider going back to a single monitor at 2560x1600 monitor, but right now it's not thus

[johnnyfiive]

Here ya go, exactly what you asked for.

Look at the minimum FPS...

Source: Anandtech.com


Impressed finally?

[bear jesus]

Originally Posted by johnnyfiive

Here ya go, exactly what you asked for.

Look at the minimum FPS...

Source: Anandtech.com

Impressed finally?

I bet most of you guys never would have thought the minimum frame rate was THAT bad on ATi/AMD cards... well... numbers don't lie.

ok yes that is impressive, but now i have to go find anandtech's min fps for 6870 crossfire to be truly impressed.

[johnnyfiive]

It's in that image I posted above. AMD's CrossFire doesn't do so great in certain games at 2560, sometimes it just plain sucks because of the 256bit memory bus. 6870 CrossFire is in that image above, second from the bottom. The fact is, two 580's will dominate anything at 2560, theres no question about that. You pay a lot for two 580's... but the performance omg.

[CDdude55]

Ya i think a lot of people forget about the minimum FPS, which is actually much more important then the max in most cases. I don't think the 580 was meant to take on the 6900's though, as it's not a ground up design and more of a refresh fixing the things the 480 was plagued with.

[AthlonX2]

I think the 580 does it's job. It goes head to head with the 5970 where before there was nothing.It's slightly cheaper than a 5970, I do believe next year we will see something new from nvidia...like Kepler which will probably beat out anything ATI has in the works now

[qubit]

Originally Posted by johnnyfiive

Here ya go, exactly what you asked for.

Look at the minimum FPS...

Source: Anandtech.com
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4008/33815.png

Impressed finally?

Nice find Johnny. Minimum fps is indeed absolutely the most important factor in rendering performance. Imagine a hypothetical system that never ever dropped below 60fps under all conditions? You'd have 100% guaranteed smooth gameplay for ever and the rest wouldn't matter.

EDIT: I've just twigged that the ATI MisFires actually give much lower performance than the single card. And how old is this game now...? You'd think they'd have a profile out for it, wouldn't you. It's glitches like this which is why I'm not keen on dual card setups.

[johnnyfiive]

Originally Posted by qubit

Nice find Johnny. Minimum fps is indeed absolutely the most important factor in rendering performance. Imagine a hypothetical system that never ever dropped below 60fps under all conditions? You'd have 100% guaranteed smooth gameplay for ever and the rest wouldn't matter.

Exactly qubit, its a huge factor that people seem to overlook.

Also, take this into consideration. The GTX 580 is about 18-20% faster than a 5870. That means for the 6970 to even compete with the GTX 580, it has to be at least 20% faster than the 5870. For it to be superior to the GTX 580, it needs to be 30-32% faster than the 5870.. do you guys think that's possible... 30-32% faster than the 5870? I sure don't, but I hope so, lol.

[f22a4bandit]

I'm pleasantly surprised this is actually a hard launch! I have to give respect to Nvidia, they produced a very nice card. I think they also realize that THIS is what fermi should have been from the start.

[bear jesus]

Originally Posted by johnnyfiive

It's in that image I posted above. AMD's CrossFire doesn't do so great in certain games at 2560, sometimes it just plain sucks because of the 256bit memory bus. 6870 CrossFire is in that image above, second from the bottom. The fact is, two 580's will dominate anything at 2560, theres no question about that. You pay a lot for two 580's... but the performance omg.

sorry i'm still half asleep if the 6970 beats the 580 i will have to buy one though as i can keep my current monitors and psu, only time will tell.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Imsochobo

Where is ati the same arch from 5000 to 6000
Its rather diffrent, how can a 1120 shader card trumph my 1536 shader card.

It is the same architecture, just optimized. Just like RV670 was the same architecture as RV600 but optimized. It is not a rebuild from the ground up like, for example, RV770/90 to Cypress or G200 to Fermi.

Originally Posted by bear jesus

I agree the 580 will give some people an awesome increase in PPD

I think, just like the GTX480 this GTX580 is going to be priced too high to attract folders. Overclocked I would guess the GTX580 is going to do maybe 18,000 PPD. But at $500+ you can get two GTX470s which will pull 16,000 a piece when overclocked. So for the same cash, you can get 32,000 PPD vs. 18,000 PPD with the GTX580.

[the54thvoid]

Originally Posted by qubit

ATI MisFires

Thats my word!!

Anyhow - This is what the 480 should have been and back in Sep 09 I'd have bought this for sure. I may buy one but i'll need to see the HD6970 and decide on that. But let's face it folks - we get 5970 performance - similar power consumption and less noise - it IS a good card - so there can be no bitching.

But, HD6970? - i'm keeping cash in wallet for now.

[Jeffredo]

This was a pleasant surprise this morning. Excellent card and a well timed move by Nvidia. About the only way I would be disappointed is if I had purchased a GTX 480 in the past seven months. Anyway, that was then - this is now. What's in a name? I guess it doesn't really matter, but it would have made more sense to keep a GTX 4XX tag (GTX 485 or GTX 490) since it is a refinement instead of a totally new architecture. Given the other guys have also jumped on the out-of-sequence naming bandwagon with the HD 6850 and HD 6870 anything goes.

[the54thvoid]

Originally Posted by johnnyfiive

Here ya go, exactly what you asked for.

Look at the minimum FPS...

Source: Anandtech.com
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4008/33815.png

Impressed finally?

No actually. The 2560 res is a problem for AMD Cards. The minimum frames at 1920x1200 are still higher for 5970 and crossfired 58 cards.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/n...orce-gtx-580/6

[wolf]

Originally Posted by W1zzard

as mentioned before, nvidia's response to the feedback in that thread was that they tried to get me a board on the weekend and managed to achieve the impossible!

So they are wathcing TPU threads.... I hope they get some good ideas

fantastic review W1z, good to see you got a card and benched it all in time. I personally think the GTX580 is a decent move for Nvidia.

now what I'm interested in is to see some scaled down versions of GF110, and what sort of performance they provide and power they consume. for instance GTX470 specs on a GF110 core might just be win. perhaps win enough to jam two on a card...

[johnnyfiive]

Originally Posted by the54thvoid

No actually. The 2560 res is a problem for AMD Cards. The minimum frames at 1920x1200 are still higher for 5970 and crossfired 58 cards.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4008/n...orce-gtx-580/6

They better be, its two cards with 2 GB's of total memory. If I paid $700 for two 5870's and a $550 GTX 580 beat my min fps I'd be pretty upset.

[bear jesus]

Originally Posted by wolf

now what I'm interested in is to see some scaled down versions of GF110,

Great point, GF114/gtx 560 (i assume) should be awesome and even more so in sli.