NEW - 3DMark 11 Compilation

[Rado D]

Originally Posted by t_ski

I really don't consider it cheating, but more as tweaking.

sorry but I think that if I get a certain score with a in NVIDIA control panel image settings at high(max) for instance like in my examples,P5851 and another guy with same gpu settings same CPU but he will post his P5610,but with NVIDIA control panel image settings at performance and claim his score was better,then for me its cheating...

[EarthDog]

Originally Posted by Rado D

sorry but I think that if I get a certain score with a in NVIDIA control panel image settings at high(max) for instance like in my examples,P5851 and another guy with same gpu settings same CPU but he will post his P5610,but with NVIDIA control panel image settings at performance and claim his score was better,then for me its cheating...

Thats cheating???????!!! Are you kidding? God I hope you are.

These are DRAG RACES and the object is to get the best score. Its not like a MIPMAP tweak or LOD tweak (which the latter is allowed at Hwbot). Its an option in the control panel EVERYONE (should) know about and use. its not an Image quality benchmark.

EDIT: HOnestly, it just shows how green you are to this benching scene is all. Its not a cheat.

[bear jesus]

Originally Posted by Rado D

sorry but I think that if I get a certain score with a in NVIDIA control panel image settings at high(max) for instance like in my examples,P5851 and another guy with same gpu settings same CPU but he will post his P5610,but with NVIDIA control panel image settings at performance and claim his score was better,then for me its cheating...

It makes things more complicated when we all seam to be running different cpu speeds other than the overall speed, I'm nto sure of all the different ones with an intel cpu but with amd i have been changing bus, NB, HT and ram speeds so even with 2 cpu's at the same speed with the same gpu at the same speed there are things other than the gpu settings so it would be harder to say it's just the gpu control panel settings.

I know this is not very cpu dependent but when using something like crossfire it becomes more so thus if you add a load of speed to the north bridge, memory etc you can still come out with the same overall cpu speed but have more performance even when using the same card with same control panel settings.

[bear jesus]

Originally Posted by rickss69

Is my 980X being reported as a i7 875 a cheat?

CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If you say in the results you want adding what it is then it's not like your trying to be deceitful although if in the table it says you are using an 875 that means you lied to jesus and you are going to pastafarian hell

[Rado D]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

Thats cheating???????!!! Are you kidding?

These are DRAG RACES and the object is to get the best score. Its not like a MIPMAP tweak or LOD tweak (which the latter is allowed at Hwbot). Its an option in teh control panel EVERYONE (should) know about.

Ok so you all just close your yes and forget all that has been posted about this topic,then I just run my "fair settings" bench again,put up some pics and I was nearly beating this poor guys score Bjorn_Of_Iceland GTX580 900/1050 6172 Q9650 @ 4GHz whith my GTX 480 at 835/1000 and its just allright??..right?? you must be kidding dude,not me..

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Rado D

Its not like a MIPMAP tweak or LOD tweak

by the way sliding the bar in NVDIA control panel image settings between performance and quality is on some point doing some changes to those settings too...you should know that

[Rado D]

Originally Posted by rickss69

This is all that really matters...

jeesus,thats only the default settimgs of the 3dMark11 man...just read my post where I've posted the difference in the score depending on NVIDIA control panel image settings...in 3dMark11 I've used the default settings..

[cadaveca]

nVidia "tweaked" thier cards to run vantage phys-X tests, and we've seen how well that worked out, so c'mon guys, OS-level tweaks for available ram, etc or OK, but let's not get into driver modifications...nvidia and ATI will do that themselves.

And while this may be considered a drag race, as in drag races, there are classes that have regulations to them, as to how far you can push things, so as to keep the playing field level. Modifications to how the bench is rendered should be considered cheating here on TPU...there are many other forums that care only about points that will take those scores...

let's keep this straight up and honest, and then we can have a good set of figures, or else I think the OP may tire of trying to police scores.

this is not HWBOT, if you want to use thier rules, go post over there. While HWBOT is accepted for alot of poeple, doesn't mean they actually ahve any authority as to how things should be done.

[Rado D]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

this is not HWBOT, if you want to use thier rules, go post over there.

man what are you talking about?think before you post..I dont even know what that HWBOT is...

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Rado D

man what are you talking about?think before you post..I dont even know what that HWBOT is...

Oh, actually, the discussion on this issue has been ongoing all morning. Beleive me, I've given much thought to this.

The point is, if you don't like what you see, take it up with futuremark. There are also many other forums, HWBOT included, that have thier own set of rules...I don't see any point to even discussing it here..It's not Athlon's job to police scores posted here, really. I think it's even asinine to change things just to get more points...ruins the whole point of benching, period.

[bear jesus]

Originally Posted by Rado D

man what are you talking about?think before you post..I dont even know what that HWBOT is...

http://hwbot.org/

[Rado D]

Originally Posted by rickss69

I'm afraid you will end up losing on this one Rado

I've given up allready,I'll ask AthlonX2 to remove my score from the tab

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by EarthDog

Thats cheating???????!!! Are you kidding? God I hope you are.

These are DRAG RACES and the object is to get the best score. Its not like a MIPMAP tweak or LOD tweak (which the latter is allowed at Hwbot). Its an option in the control panel EVERYONE (should) know about and use. its not an Image quality benchmark.

EDIT: HOnestly, it just shows how green you are to this benching scene is all. Its not a cheat.

No need to overdramatize his findings. It's a valid concern and should be addressed.

[cadaveca]

Addressed? this is a score thread, not a discussion thread...start a new thread!




If you are really worried about scores being legit, you definately shouldn't be benching 3DMark!

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Addressed? this is a score thread, not a discussion thread...start a new thread!




If you are really worried about scores being legit, you definately shouldn't be benching 3DMark!

No need to start a new thread when his results clearly show an increase in P score by lowering IQ from the control panel. I think the point is valid and should be discussed as to what one can do in differentiating those scores. Not ignore it because what he exposed upsets you.

[Rado D]

Originally Posted by rickss69

Please don't bow out just yet. I think you are just getting twisted from not knowing what is and is not accepted tweaks. What you want or suggest is just not able to police with our current process.

Oh no,there is peace on my mind and let the peace fill yours too guys no hard feelings

EDIT: just to pick into you last time
NVIDIA control panel image settings performance:
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/88865?show_a...5cDqL5kDMwMDXT

NVIDIA control panel image settings balanced:
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/87490?show_a...tpv4BFZDQzaaZn

NVIDIA control panel image settings quality:
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/87329;jsessi...J6CBFNpqtPDMzW

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by Rado D

Oh no,there is peace on my mind and let the peace fill yours too guys no hard feelings

I think it's the right decision to be honest. If they want to reply with a whole lot of drama then just don't participate. Funny, it's what they implied earlier.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

No need to start a new thread when his results clearly show an increase in P score by lowering IQ from the control panel. I think the point is valid and should be discussed as to what one can do in differentiating those scores. Not ignore it because what he exposed upsets you.

It doesn't upset me at all...LOL...i think the discussion is moot here in this thread, and should have it's own thread, as it may very well be worth discussion.

Think with an open mind, ECH, you're clearly misinterpreting me laughing at these whining guys as anger.

You wanna police scores, start your own thread..I do not think it is very smart to be asking Athlon to take up such work, when you don't seem to be willing to put in a bit of effort yourself, and start a thread on the subject, so that the issue can be addressed directly, rather than mixed in with people posting scores, and other random discussion about the bench.


As far as I am concerned, unless you are willing to work towards a viable solution, you're just whining for the sake of making some noise. My little kids do that, just to get attention, it's pretty sad to see that behavior in an adult.


If you want to address a specific issue...make a thread, and let's discuss. This thread is not here to validate scores, merely list them.

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by rickss69

No one suggests ignore anything. Before having a huge discussion about this tho, please tell us how one would go about either proving or disproving what was entered in a CCC or Nvidia control panel before a run.

The issue is being ignored when one doesn't wish to discuss the issue in a meaningful way. No one has disproved what he provided. Furthermore, it's something that is a common cheat. So it's nothing new. The issue is clear and should be discussed. But I shouldn't be the only one discussing it/providing suggestions. Because that would prove that the issue is being ignored .

Originally Posted by cadaveca

It doesn't upset me at all...LOL...i think the discussion is moot here in this thread, and should have it's own thread, as it may very well be worth discussion.

Think with an open mind, ECH, you're clearly misinterpreting me laughing at these whining guys as anger.

You wanna police scores, start your own thread..I do not think it is very smart to be asking Athlon to take up such work, when you don't seem to be willing to put in a bit of effort yourself, and start a thread on the subject, so that the issue can be addressed directly, rather than mixed in with people posting scores, and other random discussion about the bench.


As far as I am concenred, unless you are willing to work towards a viable solution, you're just whining for the sake of making some noise. My little kids do that, just to get attention, it's pretty sad to see that behavior in an adult.


If you want tot addres a speicfic issue...make a thread, and let's discuss. This thread is not here to validate scores, merely list them.

No, your upset about it. That much is clear. With all the drama you are bring to this issue and the name calling it's not hard to determine your demeanor . But since you think the issue is moot, minus the name calling, this shouldn't be such a big deal for you to debate about.

So, if lowering IQ settings in the control panel increases performance it is something that should be discussed. I don't think calling others names and down playing the issue without providing some rudimentary examples is a good why to reply why one shouldn't care.

[Rado D]

Originally Posted by rickss69

please tell us how one would go about either proving or disproving what was entered in a CCC or Nvidia control panel before a run

you see,now thats a really good direction to go...

[erocker]

What I take from this is to lower your settings in your respective graphics control panel to get the best results in this test. Just like Vantage, 06, 05, etc. Since everyone has the ability to change these settings I see nothing that needs to be addressed.

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by rickss69

My point if you missed it is there is no way to police what goes on in those control panels. Unless someone has come up with a way to do so then this discussion is moot.

I think you missed my point. What can one do to show that some results are of lower IQ? It's not something others would consider automatically. Uh, I know how about add it with the scoreboard?

You see how you missed my point here? I've not mention anything about policing others. But as stated earlier I shouldn't be the only one offering suggestions what one can do to offset the use of non gaming IQ settings.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

No, your upset about it. That much is clear. With all the drama you are bring to this issue and the name calling it's not hard to determine your demeanor . But since you think the issue is moot, minus the name calling, this shouldn't be such a big deal for you to debate about.

So, if lowering IQ settings in the control panel increases performance it is something that should be discussed. I don't think calling others names and down playing the issue without providing some rudimentary examples is a good why to reply why one shouldn't care.

If you would come into the teamspeak, maybe you'd get to know me a bit better, and you'd know far better. I tihnk it's YOU that;s getting a bit worked up, and I think it's becuase noone has commented on your posting about the Catalyst profile, so now you are here getting the attention you tried to get earlier.


And I'm not calling any names, I'm just poniting out what to me, is obvious. My opinion might have no reference to fact, but that doesn't change the fact that i have only stated my opinion on how things should be handled, not called any names.

[EastCoasthandle]

Originally Posted by rickss69

Let me state this as simple as I can then...There is no way to police what is under discussion. Unless someone comes up with a way to do so it will remain as it always has.

And let me reply as simple and short as possible because you are obviously not getting it. That's not my concern. How about you think of something different other then policing others? Like change the scoreboard .

Originally Posted by cadaveca

If you would come into the teamspeak, maybe you'd get to know me a bit better, and you'd know far better. I tihnk it's YOU that;s getting a bit worked up, and I think it's becuase noone has commented on your posting about the Catalyst profile, so now you are here getting the attention you tried to get earlier.


And I'm not calling any names, I'm just poniting out what to me, is obvious. My opinion might have no reference to fact, but that doesn't change the fact that i have only stated my opinion on how things should be handled, not called any names.

No need really. I think the drama you've added along with the name calling is more than enough for me. But if you think I'm upset let me put to you like this:
If someone provides information suggesting that decreasing the IQ increases performance (shocker, I know). Then why is it so hard for the scoreboard to change to reflect this? I don't find it necessary or relevant to call others names, etc to reflect what has been assumed to be "common knowledge".

[EarthDog]

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

No need to overdramatize his findings. It's a valid concern and should be addressed.

Not overdramatizing at all. Im completely shocked at the level of 'green' from some at this large sit over how to run benchmarks to get the best scores.

Its not a beauty contest, its a drag race. The only discussion about this should be end user education on benhhmarking.

I see no hard feelings have already been tossed around, and I want to reiterate that point. Cheers guys, now jack it to performance and get back to benching!!!!

No one has disproved what he provided.

Why would we? Its a known thing to do from a benching perspective. its (changing those image options) accepted at Hwbot which is THE authority for that type of stuff, so to even humor the thought is a bit odd to me, when all that needs told to him is how benchmarks work and what is/is not accepted.

But then again, this is the place that allows PhysX for Vantage so, maybe I'll just hang my hat up..... LOl!

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

And let me reply as simple and short as possible because you are obviously not getting it. That's not my concern. How about you think of something different other then policing others? Like change the scoreboard .

Oh, so that's the whole thing..you don't like Athlon's postings. Just be honest about it then.


And as I said earlier, if you'd like a different thread, there is nothing holding you back from creating your own.

Instead, you're gonna troll this one, because you don't like it? Really?