HD6950 modded SLOWER than stock HD6950

po1nt · Dec 30, 2010, 07:17 PM

Hi!

Today I was modding my Powercolor HD6950 to HD6970. Every step like w1zzard said. I've updated powercolors bios for powercolors 6970. Everything is fine, more shaders (1408 to 1536) no artifacst, low temps etc. Except the performance Stock HD6950 is 4 times better than updated card oO. Modded HD6950 is worse than GF450.

My specs:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 2.5Ghz @ 3.37 Ghz
2x2 GB DDR2 800Mhz @ 900Mhz
Asus P5B (newest BIOS 2104)
Corsair TX650

Im giving you 3 attached screenshot from unigine heaven benchmark in htmls report style. Can you help me to find the solution of problem?

Greetings.

erocker · Dec 30, 2010, 07:21 PM

I have a feeling your 6950 has the slower memory on it and it's throttling performance. If you haven't, try reinstalling your drivers to see if it helps.

n-ster · Dec 30, 2010, 07:22 PM

is this everywhere? (including games) or is it limited to unigine heaven?

po1nt · Dec 30, 2010, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n-ster

is this everywhere? (including games) or is it limited to unigine heaven?

Yes games included. A some stuterring and low fps.

InnocentCriminal · Dec 30, 2010, 07:36 PM

Welcome to the forums po1nt! It's a shame your 6950 isn't running 'full speed'. Have you tried a different manufacturer's BIOS just to see if that changes anything?

I was planning on purchasing a PowerColour card tonight as well. Looks like I'll be paying a few quid more and getting an XFX.

po1nt · Dec 30, 2010, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

I have a feeling your 6950 has the slower memory on it and it's throttling performance. If you haven't, try reinstalling your drivers to see if it helps.

http://www.powercolor.com/global/pro...res.asp?id=313 It's the same like all reference HD6950

n-ster · Dec 30, 2010, 07:38 PM

did you uninstall drivers completely and reinstalled them?
What does GPU-Z report?

po1nt · Dec 30, 2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by n-ster

did you uninstall drivers completely and reinstalled them?
What does GPU-Z report?

Yes with Driver Sweeper.

crazyeyesreaper · Dec 30, 2010, 07:51 PM

most likely your gpus memory cant support those speeds try lowering the memory speed to 6950s default 1250 and see what happens if that dosent work then just flip the damn switch for the backup bios and presto your back to 6950 regular performance and just overclock the friggin thing as overclocked via catalyst the 6950 matches a stock 6970

puma99dk| · Dec 30, 2010, 07:52 PM

if the second screen of GPU-Z is true than ur card ain't running full speed only x1 and not x16 maybe try take the card out, reset ur bios on the motherboard, plug the card back in remember power and turn on the machine ^^;

crazyeyesreaper · Dec 30, 2010, 07:53 PM

good eye puma i didnt notice that seems like the bio flash borked a bit trying using a different bios file

po1nt · Dec 30, 2010, 08:15 PM

how to change now the card from x1 for x16?

Bundy · Dec 30, 2010, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by po1nt

how to change now the card from x1 for x16?

What Puma said, take it out, reset CMOS, put it back in.

po1nt · Dec 30, 2010, 08:36 PM

It's odd. After clearing CMOS it's 16x but when im overclocking cpu it's changing for 1x. What option in bios may cause that effect huh?

puma99dk| · Dec 30, 2010, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyeyesreaper

good eye puma i didnt notice that seems like the bio flash borked a bit trying using a different bios file

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bundy

What Puma said, take it out, reset CMOS, put it back in.

just normal thinking, when i saw GPU-Z said PCI-E x16 @ x1 but i hope that will work, bcs i doubt it the bios flash gone wrong but still can also just be a bad bios for ur card.

InnocentCriminal · Dec 30, 2010, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by po1nt

It's odd. After clearing CMOS it's 16x but when im overclocking cpu it's changing for 1x. What option in bios may cause that effect huh?

Without knowing for sure, why not start OC'ing one step at a time and see exactly when it changes. You'll find your answer that way if nobody knows from experience.

hellrazor · Dec 30, 2010, 08:46 PM

Make sure you aren't changing the PCIe speed from 100MHz(?), that can cause LOADS of problems.

If that doesn't work try to see if there is some way to force x16 through software, I think Rivatuner can do it, but I don't think Afterburner can (which is odd, because Afterburner uses Rivatuner).

fullinfusion · Dec 30, 2010, 09:10 PM

Subed, this is going to be interesting

avatar_raq · Dec 30, 2010, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellrazor

If that doesn't work try to see if there is some way to force x16 through software

I think the bios usually has an option to force 1x but not sure if it has one for 16x.
Just make sure to manually set the PCI-e clock to 100mhz instead of Auto.

acousticdank · Dec 30, 2010, 10:12 PM

Did you try using a modded 6950 bios (same 6950 with unlocked shaders) instead of using a 6970 bios (different memory timings might be messing you up)

erocker · Dec 30, 2010, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by po1nt

It's odd. After clearing CMOS it's 16x but when im overclocking cpu it's changing for 1x. What option in bios may cause that effect huh?

If you haven't, try this:

Control panel--->Power Options-->Change Plan Settings-->Change Advanced Power Settings-->PCI Express-->Link State Power Management-->Off

MxPhenom 216 · Dec 30, 2010, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellrazor

Make sure you aren't changing the PCIe speed from 100MHz(?), that can cause LOADS of problems.

If that doesn't work try to see if there is some way to force x16 through software, I think Rivatuner can do it, but I don't think Afterburner can (which is odd, because Afterburner uses Rivatuner).

i have mine set to 105mhz and it has helped my CPU overclock stability a bit

AlienIsGOD · Dec 30, 2010, 11:52 PM

+1 to Erocker's suggestion. It has worked for me before when I 1st installed 7.

po1nt · Dec 31, 2010, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienIsGOD

+1 to Erocker's suggestion. It has worked for me before when I 1st installed 7.

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

If you haven't, try this:

Control panel--->Power Options-->Change Plan Settings-->Change Advanced Power Settings-->PCI Express-->Link State Power Management-->Off

It always was Off

Something else.

puma99dk| · Dec 31, 2010, 07:12 AM

get another motherboard it's Asus

Dec 30, 2010, 07:17 PM	#1
po1nt Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13 (0.01/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts System Specs	HD6950 modded SLOWER than stock HD6950 Hi! Today I was modding my Powercolor HD6950 to HD6970. Every step like w1zzard said. I've updated powercolors bios for powercolors 6970. Everything is fine, more shaders (1408 to 1536) no artifacst, low temps etc. Except the performance Stock HD6950 is 4 times better than updated card oO. Modded HD6950 is worse than GF450. My specs: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 2.5Ghz @ 3.37 Ghz 2x2 GB DDR2 800Mhz @ 900Mhz Asus P5B (newest BIOS 2104) Corsair TX650 Im giving you 3 attached screenshot from unigine heaven benchmark in htmls report style. Can you help me to find the solution of problem? Greetings. Attached Thumbnails

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n-ster Eligible for custom title Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 8,306 (5.13/day) Thanks: 1,210 Thanked 1,420 Times in 1,153 Posts System Specs	did you uninstall drivers completely and reinstalled them? What does GPU-Z report? __________________ My Heatware

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crazyeyesreaper Chief Broken Rig Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 04578 Posts: 6,036 (3.90/day) Thanks: 767 Thanked 2,271 Times in 1,571 Posts System Specs	most likely your gpus memory cant support those speeds try lowering the memory speed to 6950s default 1250 and see what happens if that dosent work then just flip the damn switch for the backup bios and presto your back to 6950 regular performance and just overclock the friggin thing as overclocked via catalyst the 6950 matches a stock 6970

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crazyeyesreaper Chief Broken Rig Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 04578 Posts: 6,036 (3.90/day) Thanks: 767 Thanked 2,271 Times in 1,571 Posts System Specs	good eye puma i didnt notice that seems like the bio flash borked a bit trying using a different bios file

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po1nt Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13 (0.01/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts System Specs	It's odd. After clearing CMOS it's 16x but when im overclocking cpu it's changing for 1x. What option in bios may cause that effect huh?

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acousticdank Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 11 (0.01/day) Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Did you try using a modded 6950 bios (same 6950 with unlocked shaders) instead of using a 6970 bios (different memory timings might be messing you up)

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