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sliderider · Jan 12, 2011, 08:53 AM

If it's going to run hot then I don't want it sitting next to my 6870 and venting all over it. Does a 9600GSO run cooler than an 8800GT? It seems to have enough SP's to use as a dedicated PhysX card.

Magikherbs · Jan 12, 2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sliderider

If it's going to run hot then I don't want it sitting next to my 6870 and venting all over it. Does a 9600GSO run cooler than an 8800GT? It seems to have enough SP's to use as a dedicated PhysX card.

Even worse if your case has bad ventelation. How 'generic' is your case? lol I would probably upgrade that first..

newtekie1 · Jan 12, 2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sliderider

If it's going to run hot then I don't want it sitting next to my 6870 and venting all over it. Does a 9600GSO run cooler than an 8800GT? It seems to have enough SP's to use as a dedicated PhysX card.

Yes, the 9600GSO runs cooler, but in both situations the cards will sit basically idle so they won't be getting very hot. Even when being used for PhysX, PhsyX requires so little power that the cards barely heat up.

mrsemi · Jan 16, 2011, 04:22 AM

I picked up win 7 & a gtx 280 to run dedicated physx and ran into a snag. Windows tries to install the drivers before I can.

I went into task manager thinking I couldshut it down. No luck.

So I uninstalled, ran crap cleaner. Followed the steps and rebooted and windows again overwrote the correct version installation on reboot.

Anyone know how to stop it?

I thought I figured it out but after doing the following and rebooting windows again automatically reinstalled the drivers.

Steps, right click appropriate hard drive (d in this case)
Click properties.
Click advance system settings
Click device installation settings
Changed to let me choose what to do and never install

Still didn't work, any ideas welcome.

Magikherbs · Jan 16, 2011, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mrsemi

I picked up win 7 & a gtx 280 to run dedicated physx and ran into a snag. Windows tries to install the drivers before I can.

I went into task manager thinking I couldshut it down. No luck.

So I uninstalled, ran crap cleaner. Followed the steps and rebooted and windows again overwrote the correct version installation on reboot.

Anyone know how to stop it?

Its ok.. after they install reboot and run the main drivers + appropriate mod.

newtekie1 · Jan 16, 2011, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Magikherbs

Its ok.. after they install reboot and run the main drivers + appropriate mod.

Yeah this.

If that doesn't work, run Driver Sweeper with the network cable unplugged. Then install the main drivers before reconnecting the network cable.

mrsemi · Jan 16, 2011, 07:31 AM

Thanks. Batman screenies didn't work but benchmark @ 1900 x 1200 were...

43 min, 167 max & 94 average with physx on. Another one the next day score 53 min 167 max to 104 average. Works great, I'm only slightly annoyed at the temps and noise of the 280.

Vantage.

Magikherbs · Jan 16, 2011, 02:00 PM

If your 280 is anything like mine was before I cleaned it .. haha.. My 280's fan is stock @ 40% and very quiet., btw.

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Temps ? Is it vibrating or spinning too fast ?

mrsemi · Jan 16, 2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Magikherbs

If your 280 is anything like mine was before I cleaned it .. haha.. My 280's fan is stock @ 40% and very quiet., btw.

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Temps ? Is it vibrating or spinning too fast ?

It's idling at 66 C which is very warm, the fan speed is only at 40%. It's too warm but one of my 5850's likes to run hot too. Prior owner said he put a fresh coat of mx4 on it, don't know if that needs time to settle or not.

According to reviews, the toxic/vapor-x run about 40 db where the 280 is 53 or 54. I think whether you find something to be loud is relative to what you're used to.

Magikherbs · Jan 16, 2011, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsemi

It's idling at 66 C which is very warm, the fan speed is only at 40%. It's too warm but one of my 5850's likes to run hot too. Prior owner said he put a fresh coat of mx4 on it, don't know if that needs time to settle or not.

According to reviews, the toxic/vapor-x run about 40 db where the 280 is 53 or 54. I think whether you find something to be loud is relative to what you're used to.

Before I cleaned mine, it peaked at 89-90 C running FFXIV benchmark. Now its down to 79C and will drop a little more once the AS5 kicks in..

My default fan speed is 40% too and very quiet. Have you checked under the hood ?

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mrsemi · Jan 16, 2011, 05:54 PM

No I haven't popped it open but it didn't go over 74c on a vantage run, talking about this got my attention on my 5850's. I'm starting to wonder how much I trust the sensors, see my thread in the ati forum. Possible faulty sensor, I'm wondering if the motherboard has any say in the readings. Like I said the prior owner stated he put a new coat of mx4 on there. I believe him.

Ran another batman bench, it got up to 78 on the 280 but that seems fine too.

Magikherbs · Jan 16, 2011, 06:17 PM

Pretty much what the dude told me about the dud 9800GTX+ (and his 'pro' buddie that set it up), I bought 2 months back. Some pro ! hah.. There was at least 2 kinds of paste gooped everywhere.. the ram and vrms too lol.. aand he messed with the bios... grrrr ! At least he was cool and refunded my cash.

Do the bios versions and stats match with the original ?

mrsemi · Jan 16, 2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Magikherbs

Do the bios versions and stats match with the original ?

Yeah bone stock specs. I played batman a while and I'm more concerned with the 5850 than the physx card now, it hit 91 on one card and the other max is 61.

Magikherbs · Jan 16, 2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsemi

Yeah bone stock specs. I played batman a while and I'm more concerned with the 5850 than the physx card now, it hit 91 on one card and the other max is 61.

Sounds like its not getting any airflow..

Achilles1600 · Jan 26, 2011, 09:12 AM

http://www.pprof.com/downloads/10.0....alSetup_en.exe

erocker · Jan 26, 2011, 09:32 AM

What the heck is that link for?

qubit · Jan 26, 2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by erocker

What the heck is that link for?

Just tried it at work and the firewall blocks site www.portraitprofessional.com as "entertainment" so it sounds a little iffy.

Entering www.pprof.com gives the above error.

AsRock · Jan 26, 2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

Yes, the 9600GSO runs cooler, but in both situations the cards will sit basically idle so they won't be getting very hot. Even when being used for PhysX, PhsyX requires so little power that the cards barely heat up.

Little power ?. Sure i did not see my 9800GT max out but it did add around 70w extra power usage while idle.

However the guide was spot on

newtekie1 · Jan 26, 2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AsRock

Little power ?. Sure i did not see my 9800GT max out but it did add around 70w extra power usage while idle.

However the guide was spot on

In the graphics card industry, 70w is nothing.

AsRock · Jan 26, 2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

In the graphics card industry, 70w is nothing.

Indeed but it's a lot when the cards not being used at all.

bud951 · Jan 31, 2011, 05:39 AM

I think I have my setup working but I would like to know for sure.

If Fluidmark 1.1.1 says "Hardware Physx" on and I get avg 170fps then hybrid (hardware) physx is working yes? I am running AMD Radeon 6970 + 8800GT with 260.99 drivers and Physx 9100514 and Hybrid patch 1.04ff. Are there some more physx benchmarks that I can download and run to test my setup?

newtekie1 · Jan 31, 2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsRock

Indeed but it's a lot when the cards not being used at all.

No, not really.

roast · Feb 1, 2011, 12:17 AM

Awesome thread.

I'm tempted to pick up a HD6950 soon, yet I have a bunch of nVidia cards lying around too which I could use for Physx.

To be honest, Im not too fussed about PhysX though. After playing some of the (limited number of) supported games, it doesnt add too much to the experience.

bud951 · Feb 3, 2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bud951

I think I have my setup working but I would like to know for sure.

If Fluidmark 1.1.1 says "Hardware Physx" on and I get avg 170fps then hybrid (hardware) physx is working yes? I am running AMD Radeon 6970 + 8800GT with 260.99 drivers and Physx 9100514 and Hybrid patch 1.04ff. Are there some more physx benchmarks that I can download and run to test my setup?

I am currently getting 20+ extra FPS in Mafia 2 Benchmark with Physx on max setting so I guess my Nvidia 8800GT is working.

Question though.. Is my 8800GT as a stand alone Physx card just a little under powered for these newer Physx enabled games? Its what I had laying around and I like the fact that its a single slot card but would Physx enabled games run smoother with a newer Nvidia card like GTX 260 or something that has more CUDA cores?

Blue-Tiger · Feb 12, 2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bud951

I am currently getting 20+ extra FPS in Mafia 2 Benchmark with Physx on max setting so I guess my Nvidia 8800GT is working.

Question though.. Is my 8800GT as a stand alone Physx card just a little under powered for these newer Physx enabled games? Its what I had laying around and I like the fact that its a single slot card but would Physx enabled games run smoother with a newer Nvidia card like GTX 260 or something that has more CUDA cores?

No, PhysX is slowly dieing. I can run PhysX in Mafia II maxed out on a dedicated 9800GTX, so that would be all you'd maximally need. I have ran it maxed out on a 8800GTX, which, as we all know, is basically thesame compared to the 9800GTX.

Bottomline: I really like PhysX and I would love to see it grow even bigger, but I'm not expecting that to happen. So you should not invest alot of money on a PhysX card (like the GTX260), but invest that in a second hand 9800GTX (perhaps), or to improve your primairy graphics card... Just my 2 cents,

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Jan 16, 2011, 04:22 AM	#54
mrsemi Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 629 (0.29/day) Thanks: 208 Thanked 67 Times in 49 Posts System Specs	I picked up win 7 & a gtx 280 to run dedicated physx and ran into a snag. Windows tries to install the drivers before I can. I went into task manager thinking I couldshut it down. No luck. So I uninstalled, ran crap cleaner. Followed the steps and rebooted and windows again overwrote the correct version installation on reboot. Anyone know how to stop it? I thought I figured it out but after doing the following and rebooting windows again automatically reinstalled the drivers. Steps, right click appropriate hard drive (d in this case) Click properties. Click advance system settings Click device installation settings Changed to let me choose what to do and never install Still didn't work, any ideas welcome. Last edited by mrsemi; Jan 16, 2011 at 05:04 AM.

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Jan 12, 2011, 08:53 AM	#51
sliderider Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 269 (0.28/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 31 Posts System Specs	If it's going to run hot then I don't want it sitting next to my 6870 and venting all over it. Does a 9600GSO run cooler than an 8800GT? It seems to have enough SP's to use as a dedicated PhysX card.

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mrsemi Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 629 (0.29/day) Thanks: 208 Thanked 67 Times in 49 Posts System Specs	Thanks. Batman screenies didn't work but benchmark @ 1900 x 1200 were... 43 min, 167 max & 94 average with physx on. Another one the next day score 53 min 167 max to 104 average. Works great, I'm only slightly annoyed at the temps and noise of the 280. Vantage. Last edited by mrsemi; Jan 16, 2011 at 06:02 PM.

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mrsemi Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 629 (0.29/day) Thanks: 208 Thanked 67 Times in 49 Posts System Specs	No I haven't popped it open but it didn't go over 74c on a vantage run, talking about this got my attention on my 5850's. I'm starting to wonder how much I trust the sensors, see my thread in the ati forum. Possible faulty sensor, I'm wondering if the motherboard has any say in the readings. Like I said the prior owner stated he put a new coat of mx4 on there. I believe him. Ran another batman bench, it got up to 78 on the 280 but that seems fine too. Last edited by mrsemi; Jan 16, 2011 at 06:03 PM.

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Magikherbs Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 313 (0.29/day) Thanks: 229 Thanked 92 Times in 70 Posts System Specs	Pretty much what the dude told me about the dud 9800GTX+ (and his 'pro' buddie that set it up), I bought 2 months back. Some pro ! hah.. There was at least 2 kinds of paste gooped everywhere.. the ram and vrms too lol.. aand he messed with the bios... grrrr ! At least he was cool and refunded my cash. Do the bios versions and stats match with the original ? __________________ Long live Roger Waters UFO visits Dome of the Rock Temple Mount The Secret NASA Transmissions. The Smoking Gun.

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bud951 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 209 (0.11/day) Thanks: 75 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts System Specs	I think I have my setup working but I would like to know for sure. If Fluidmark 1.1.1 says "Hardware Physx" on and I get avg 170fps then hybrid (hardware) physx is working yes? I am running AMD Radeon 6970 + 8800GT with 260.99 drivers and Physx 9100514 and Hybrid patch 1.04ff. Are there some more physx benchmarks that I can download and run to test my setup?

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