GTX 560 v GTX 460 - how much faster at the same clocks?

[qubit]

According to Hexus, it turns out to be a mere 10% or so.

Therefore, just get a cheap GTX 460 & overclock it to get similar performance. The GTX 560 is really nothing more than a fully enabled chip at faster clocks, so it should therefore drop significantly in price in the not too distant future.

[meran]

sure its just the same gts250 vs 8800gt both used g92 but one with 128 shadders the other with 96
and 734vs 600core which =30-35%faster

[qubit]

Just added the graphs.

I'm surprised no one cares about this comparison, people.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by qubit

I'm surprised no one cares about this comparison, people.

What do you mean? It is what it is, most people who have looked at reviews/specifications can gather what it is. Meran kind of summed it up.

[EarthDog]

Dont forget you can overclock that 560 as well... Like fractions, do to one side what you do to the other.

I know what your point is (and the thread title), but you have to play fair. Its not like the 560 cant be overclocked either.

[qubit]

Oh, ya know what I mean, people start blabbing about it in the thread and one gets to see all the different viewpoints.

I have to admit that I'd wondered just how much difference there was between them really and this article explained it very nicely.

I reckon the 460 will go EOL soon and the 560 will take its place at this price point, or a little higher. Now, that will be a compelling buy. I've already got my eye on a reference one because of the super quiet cooler.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by EarthDog

Dont forget you can overclock that 560 as well... Like fractions, do to one side what you do to the other.

Saw this when I posted. I like it.

[Completely Bonkers]

Thanks for the link qubit, we are all interested in the apples-to-apples on this one. But I didnt like the review one bit. I guess I've got used to the quality, thoroughness and depth of TPU reviews.

I would have liked to see the direct comparison of the 460 vs. a 560 downclocked to 460 speeds and, very importantly, the power draw differences. And then the 460 vs 560 with the 460 OC to 560 speeds, and the power draw differences.

While 10% performance gain is coming (sometimes) from the additional shaders and z-optimisations, I really dont believe all this hocus-pocus about the 560 being much more power efficient/optimised. I bet it isnt. The spin needs to be proven or disproven.

[qubit]

You're welcome CB.

You make some very good points, especially this bit:

Originally Posted by Completely Bonkers

I would have liked to see the direct comparison of the 460 vs. a 560 downclocked to 460 speeds and, very importantly, the power draw differences. And then the 460 vs 560 with the 460 OC to 560 speeds, and the power draw differences

If W1zzard would like to make such a review, I for one would be very interested...

[EarthDog]

Performance I would imagine to have the same difference (10%) but the power would be an interesting side to see. I bet the differences are not much though. I would say no more than 10-15W. But thats just a guess of course.

I wonder what the GPU VID is on the cards as that would make a difference too...

[Melvis]

My m8 has two GTX460's GS GLH and they have given him nothing but issues, and run realy hot (94c+)

I told him to sell them and get two GTX560 Ti's as they are all round better in everything, heat, power, price, performance.

[qubit]

Sounds like your friend was unfortunate enough to have bad ones.

Some things come to mind:

Does the case have good ventilation?

What brand are they?

Do they have stock or custom coolers?

[LAN_deRf_HA]

It's not like the 560 doesn't overclock too, further than the 460 from what I've seen. That kind of comparison is just silly. How bout this. 460 < 470. 470 < 560.

[Melvis]

Originally Posted by qubit

Sounds like your friend was unfortunate enough to have bad ones.

Some things come to mind:

Does the case have good ventilation?

What brand are they?

Do they have stock or custom coolers?

http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=395

Thats the ones he got^

They still have stock everything.

His case does have good airflow, its a monster of a case. Its a thermaltake ummm something, like the armour model.

[Jeffredo]

I care (and its pretty much what I assumed), but if I still had my 8800 GTX in my rig and were buying a new card today I'd go with the GTX 560.

[cdawall]

see if this was another 9800GTX vs 9800GTX+ i would believe this thread was worthwhile. however like was said before this is a 8800GT vs 8800GTS same chip one has more shaders. yes stock 560 vs overclocked 460 you may win some battles however the overclocked 560 will win in the end.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by cdawall

see if this was another 9800GTX vs 9800GTX+ i would believe this thread was worthwhile. however like was said before this is a 8800GT vs 8800GTS same chip one has more shaders. yes stock 560 vs overclocked 460 you may win some battles however the overclocked 560 will win in the end.

Indeed the 560 will win - it doesn't have a cluster disabled (ignoring the gain in power efficiency and other little refinements).

I think this thread is worthwhile, or I wouldn't have posted it.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by qubit

Indeed the 560 will win - it doesn't have a cluster disabled (ignoring the gain in power efficiency and other little refinements).

I think this thread is worthwhile, or I wouldn't have posted it.

buy the cheaper 460 thats your thing i will buy the higher performing 560 Ti this is just like comparing a 460 and a 470 in fact your graph shows exactly what i posted before an overclocked 460 beats a 470 however overclocking the 470 it will beat the 460.


here w1z overclocked his a good little bit and it beats the 480 now how close do you think the 460 can get to a 580?




overall the card is 22% slower



overclocking will open widen that gap

[qubit]

No, I'd buy the 560 too. It's a refined product one way or the other over the 460... and that stock cooler is sooo quiet.

Thanks for those benchies. It's interesting to see how close the overclocked 560 comes to a stock 580. It makes the 480 pretty irrelevant, too (so much heat and noise for less performance than the oc 560 and barely more than a stock one).

I'd love to see some enthusiast stick it on water, oc it sky high and blow away the 580!

EDIT: Ok, I posted while you made your edit, lol. However, your extra benchie only reinforces my wish to get the 560 over the 460.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by qubit

No, I'd buy the 560 too. It's a refined product one way or the other over the 460... and that stock cooler is sooo quiet.

Thanks for those benchies. It's interesting to see how close the overclocked 560 comes to a stock 580. It makes the 480 pretty irrelevant, too (so much heat and noise for less performance than the oc 560 and barely more than a stock one).

I'd love to see some enthusiast stick it on water, oc it sky high and blow away the 580!

well by the same effect as the original idea of this thread the 580 could do exactly the same thing and beat the 560 probably on air vs the 560 on water


here is the 560Ti review BTW http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...ce_GTX_560_Ti/

[qubit]

Originally Posted by cdawall

well by the same effect as the original idea of this thread the 580 could do exactly the same thing and beat the 560 probably on air vs the 560 on water


here is the 560Ti review BTW http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...ce_GTX_560_Ti/

Oh yeah, of course. I'd just love the perversity of the 560 blowing away the 580. If I had lots of money and no sense, I'd be the one doing it!

Thanks for the review link.

[LifeOnMars]

Or you could just nab my GTX 460 SOC off me qubit for £95. Extremely quiet

[wolf]

Originally Posted by Completely Bonkers

I would have liked to see the direct comparison of the 460 vs. a 560 downclocked to 460 speeds and, very importantly, the power draw differences. And then the 460 vs 560 with the 460 OC to 560 speeds, and the power draw differences.

+1, the powr draw would be worthwhile in both cases, and I'm interested to see how adding another cluster affects performance, it seems Nvidia cards gain well from even a slight increase in SP's like 480 to 512 in GF110.

I know for sure Cypress chips didnt carry the gains of more shaders so terribly, id pit a 5850 and 5870 at equal clocks to be within 2-3% of eachother tops, rather than ~10% between a 480 -> 580 or 460 -> 560.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by LifeOnMars

Or you could just nab my GTX 460 SOC off me qubit for £95. Extremely quiet

Unfortunately not, but thanks.

It actually has about the same performance as my GTX 285, plus DX11 of course

Overclockers are selling new ones for about this price. Doesn't depreciation on computer components suck? My top end, uber GTX 285 is now less than a cheap as chips lower midrange card. How ironic is that?

Look, my friend gave me for free and without me having asked, a 1 gig USB drive. I had a Misco catalogue from 2002 that sold these for, wait for it...

Wait for it...

A grand. Seriously, I'm not kidding you. A whole grand. Can you imagine how you'd feel if you were still paying off the loan on that?

[marsey99]

Originally Posted by meran

sure its just the same gts250 vs 8800gt both used g92 but one with 128 shadders the other with 96
and 734vs 600core which =30-35%faster

or 250vs8800gts which was just the same card with more ram and = not faster at all.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by marsey99

or 250vs8800gts which was just the same card with more ram and = not faster at all.

not all of them were more ram i have a GTS250 with 512mb of ram. i also know they had 8800GTS 1gb cards. there were a couple of differences between the 8800 and GTS, 8800 was SLI 2 cards, no hybrid sli etc. GTS was tri sli had a longer pcb with the hybrid SLI pwm stuff on it.