Lets talk PC Audio - Page 2

Wile E · Mar 7, 2011, 09:42 AM

Bah, don't get me started on joint stereo. lol.

Mussels · Mar 7, 2011, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile E

Bah, don't get me started on joint stereo. lol.

in before mailman posts a picture of a boombox filled with weed.

at least we got the audio experts in the one place, so now people can get 3-4 simultaneous answers to any questions they may have, with high odds of accuracy in the responses.

m4gicfour · Mar 7, 2011, 09:43 AM

Well nothing's a magic bullet, after all. Crystallizer was meant to "enhance" low quality audio, and it perceivably does that, even if it does so by an understanding of equipment and human hearing rather than actually increasing quality.

As for the article, Mussels you definitely do have an understanding of most of the things involved, just be careful about how you state things. Audiophiles tend to be a nitpicky bunch. If you have the patience to refine this and admit when you may be wrong or misinformed, I see this becoming a great resource.

Jack Doph · Mar 7, 2011, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile E

Bah, don't get me started on joint stereo. lol.

You & me both mate XD

I even complained to a radio station once, because I caught them out using a crappy joint-stereo MP3 instead of the proper CD

Mussels · Mar 7, 2011, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4gicfour

Well nothing's a magic bullet, after all. Crystallizer was meant to "enhance" low quality audio, and it perceivably does that, even if it does so by an understanding of equipment and human hearing rather than actually increasing quality.

As for the article, Mussels you definitely do have an understanding of most of the things involved, just be careful about how you state things. Audiophiles tend to be a nitpicky bunch. If you have the patience to refine this and admit when you may be wrong or misinformed, I see this becoming a great resource.

thats the plan. i mostly have to be careful when editing based on peoples comments, because i can guarantee people will disagree as to whats right... and then its either guesswork or research to figure out who's right, and what to say.

random · Mar 7, 2011, 09:44 AM

Just another question guys while I have you all here

Should I even bother with turning on EAX and playing with the Graphic Equalizer from my sound card's driver/software? lol ...

Jack Doph · Mar 7, 2011, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomflip

Just another question guys while I have you all here

Should I even bother with turning on EAX and playing with the Graphic Equalizer from my sound card's driver? lol ...

Yes!
Because.. your ears are NOT like those of the sound engineer.
Use the EQ to suit YOUR hearing

EDIT: or your equipment

Mussels · Mar 7, 2011, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomflip

Just another question guys while I have you all here

Should I even bother with turning on EAX and playing with the Graphic Equalizer from my sound card's driver? lol ...

I use my EQ to boost bass for my headphones, as they're a bit lacking. EQ comes down to personal choice, but the goal should be to make as little change as possible to get the sound you want. No point boosting the bass to max for one song, only to find bad company 2 machine gun fire just made you sterile from the subwoofer shakin your janglies apart.

as to EAX, it depends on the games. while EAX is nothing fancy in itself, some games (warcraft III comes to mind) dont let you get surround sound without EAX, so its better to enable it in those.

Wile E · Mar 7, 2011, 09:46 AM

I don't bother with EAX except in games. As for EQ, I use them to correct output of equipment, as most equipment is not perfectly linear.

m4gicfour · Mar 7, 2011, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomflip

Just another question guys while I have you all here

Should I even bother with turning on EAX and playing with the Graphic Equalizer from my sound card's driver/software? lol ...

I'd say, if you have the ability to use EAX, use it. For the games that support it, it does help. Now I wouldn't bother going out and buying anything so you can use EAX, but if you've already got it, it does sound good.

EDIT - Yeah, as wile E said; just in games.

Mussels · Mar 7, 2011, 09:47 AM

see what i meant about 4 answers to each question? we even line up with our opinions! (mostly)

Jack Doph · Mar 7, 2011, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

see what i meant about 4 answers to each question? we even line up with our opinions! (mostly)

Ain't that grand?
XD

random · Mar 7, 2011, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

I use my EQ to boost bass for my headphones, as they're a bit lacking. EQ comes down to personal choice, but the goal should be to make as little change as possible to get the sound you want. No point boosting the bass to max for one song, only to find bad company 2 machine gun fire just made you sterile from the subwoofer shakin your janglies apart.

as to EAX, it depends on the games. while EAX is nothing fancy in itself, some games (warcraft III comes to mind) dont let you get surround sound without EAX, so its better to enable it in those.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Doph

Yes!
Because.. your ears are NOT like those of the sound engineer.
Use the EQ to suit YOUR hearing

EDIT: or your equipment

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile E

I don't bother with EAX except in games. As for EQ, I use them to correct output of equipment, as most equipment is not perfectly linear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4gicfour

I'd say, if you have the ability to use EAX, use it. For the games that support it, it does help. Now I wouldn't bother going out and buying anything so you can use EAX, but if you've already got it, it does sound good.

EDIT - Yeah, as wile E said; just in games.

And just like that I am educated

, time to start playing around with what I've got.

m4gicfour · Mar 7, 2011, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

see what i meant about 4 answers to each question? we even line up with our opinions! (mostly)

Hey man, Active thread. Very active thread. When I replied (both times) there were no replies, now there's at least two or three in between my post and what I was replying to. Have to think that can only be a good thing, so long as things stay on-topic, accurate, and civil

Ra97oR · Mar 7, 2011, 09:50 AM

The most important thing is, the sound is as good as the source files is. You are just going to suffer more if you use more detailed equipment for listening to high compression files.

Jack Doph · Mar 7, 2011, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomflip

And just like that I am educated

, time to start playing around with what I've got.

Enjoy it you shall

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra97oR

The most important thing is, the sound is as good as the source files is. You are just going to suffer more if you use more detailed equipment for listening to high compression files.

nail <-> head
Absolutely!
I wish more people could truly understand what that really means.

m4gicfour · Mar 7, 2011, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra97oR

The most important thing is, the sound is as good as the source files is. You are just going to suffer more if you use more detailed equipment for listening to high compression files.

98Kbit MP3 is a no go on my Onkyo TX-Sr876 w/ polk audio 7.1

Just NO FRAKKIN WAY MAN!

Audio is a gateway drug. You buy a good reciever, you need good source. You get good source, you need good speakers, you get good speakers you need good source Files.

I just need another hit man.... Just gotta get my fix!

Jack Doph · Mar 7, 2011, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4gicfour

98Kbit MP3 is a no go on my Onkyo TX-Sr876 w/ polk audio 7.1

Just NO FRAKKIN WAY MAN!

Ye gods man!
You might even feel ill using flac!
XD

Ra97oR · Mar 7, 2011, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4gicfour

98Kbit MP3 is a no go on my Onkyo TX-Sr876 w/ polk audio 7.1

Just NO FRAKKIN WAY MAN!

Trust me, its worse on my HA5000 + AD1000PRM combo. It kills, literally. I stayed away from youtube just for that reason.

m4gicfour · Mar 7, 2011, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra97oR

Trust me, its worse on my HA5000 + AD1000PRM combo. It kills, literally. I stayed away from youtube just for that reason.

I believe it

Jack Doph · Mar 7, 2011, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra97oR

Trust me, its worse on my HA5000 + AD1000PRM combo. It kills, literally. I stayed away from youtube just for that reason.

Question: do you use headphones at all?
If so, what do you use?

Ra97oR · Mar 7, 2011, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Doph

Question: do you use headphones at all?
If so, what do you use?

Read the thing you just quoted.

Here a picture of it

Wile E · Mar 7, 2011, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra97oR

Trust me, its worse on my HA5000 + AD1000PRM combo. It kills, literally. I stayed away from youtube just for that reason.

Hell, it's murder on my Forte's in-built headphone amp thru my Grado SR225i's. I can't imagine how awful it would be if I grabbed a real HP amp and something like a nice set of PS1000's.

m4gicfour · Mar 7, 2011, 10:09 AM

All I know is I cannot let my father learn that such things exist. He already has like 5 sets of headphones, and a house filled with pro audio equipment. I mean, how many mixing boards do you need? Well this one is portable and this one has effects and this one has lots of channels

Jack Doph · Mar 7, 2011, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ra97oR

Read the thing you just quoted.

Here a picture of it

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8707/img5756g.jpg

Sweet

I could do with that for my Beyerdynamics

BTW.. Thanks Mussels.
Thoroughly enjoyable & highly informative

About time someone did this!

Mar 7, 2011, 09:42 AM	#26
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Mar 7, 2011, 09:43 AM	#28
m4gicfour Join Date: May 2008 Location: Swift Current, SK, Canada Posts: 788 (0.43/day) Thanks: 38 Thanked 294 Times in 225 Posts System Specs	Well nothing's a magic bullet, after all. Crystallizer was meant to "enhance" low quality audio, and it perceivably does that, even if it does so by an understanding of equipment and human hearing rather than actually increasing quality. As for the article, Mussels you definitely do have an understanding of most of the things involved, just be careful about how you state things. Audiophiles tend to be a nitpicky bunch. If you have the patience to refine this and admit when you may be wrong or misinformed, I see this becoming a great resource. __________________ “Yes, but you are comparing Bethesda to EA. That's like comparing a fine dining experience at a gourmet restaurant to eating a turd out of a dumpster.” -Kreij E-Mail me? Please use with courtesy. Heatware

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Mar 7, 2011, 09:44 AM	#31
random Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,473 (1.48/day) Thanks: 1,248 Thanked 627 Times in 407 Posts System Specs	Just another question guys while I have you all here Should I even bother with turning on EAX and playing with the Graphic Equalizer from my sound card's driver/software? lol ... __________________ Visit my YouTube Channel ONE OK ROCK 「完全感覚Dreamer」 (Drum Cover) TD9KX

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Mar 7, 2011, 09:46 AM	#34
Wile E Power User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Western PA (Pittsburgh suburbs) Posts: 18,129 (7.48/day) Thanks: 450 Thanked 3,825 Times in 3,123 Posts System Specs	I don't bother with EAX except in games. As for EQ, I use them to correct output of equipment, as most equipment is not perfectly linear. __________________ Visit Ashentech “What the hell did you expect? Leave Vista under the pillow and the OS fairy would make it Win7?” -El Fiendo “And Bring Mailman back god damnit, he is the Eric Cartman of TPU” -MRCL

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