AMD FX Zambezi Processors Compatible with ASUS AM3 Motherboards Using BIOS Update - Page 2

Fourstaff · Mar 15, 2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by btarunr

The less smelly among two turds is still a turd.

That is one concept few people understand

TheLaughingMan · Mar 15, 2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by btarunr

It's 940. The pin-map looks the same as AM3, except that this notch now only covers one pin. AM3 socket has 941 contacts.

http://img.techpowerup.org/110315/bta9783kmln.jpg

You got that backwards. If AM3 has 941 and there is not 1 addition pin NOT being covered (AM3 has 4 sets of 2 blocks, thus that AM3+ board has 3 sets of 2 and 1 set of 1), that gives us 942 pins for AM3+ not 940. If the processors match, that 1 pin that needs an open hole just get's cock blocked. Thus why old chips fit the new socket, but new chips don't fit the old.

Erocker's right in the fact we have not seen the back side of the chip. Mayby this first gen will have 940 or 941 pins and the second gen they have planned has the 942.

btarunr · Mar 15, 2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fourstaff

That is one concept few people understand

Yeah, those who don't go to vote.

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Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

You got that backwards. If AM3 has 941 and there is not 1 addition pin NOT being covered (AM3 has 4 sets of 2 blocks, thus that AM3+ board has 3 sets of 2 and 1 set of 1), that gives us 942 pins for AM3+ not 940. If the processors match, that 1 pin that needs an open hole just get's cock blocked. Thus why old chips fit the new socket, but new chips don't fit the old.

Erocker's right in the fact we have not seen the back side of the chip. Mayby this first gen will have 940 or 941 pins and the second gen they have planned has the 942.

Oops

Steevo · Mar 15, 2011, 06:17 PM

perhaps the hole is already there and just used for extra ground or some other unsupported on this platform feature like power gating, their new version of core boost,....

newtekie1 · Mar 15, 2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

Actually they just said it wouldn't work with the older socket. Also this is coming from a "source" of someone else's, so he could just be full of it.

They said it wouldn't work with the older socket because the older socket couldn't handle all the capabilities of the new architecture. If adding a single pin is the only change to the socket, and that is all that is preventing it from working on the older socket, and you believe this is OK, then I pitty you.

The statement they made clearly is refering to not the physical socket itself not being capable, but the chipsets and boards as well. There is no reason they couldn't have released bulldozer with AM3 support, even if it did loose some capabilities when run in an AM3 board. They've done it this way in the past.

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Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

If AMD wanted you to buy a new board every time the released a new chip, they would just take Intel approach and come out with a completely new pin layout/socket each time. They have never done that, so why start now.

They've never done that?!? Tell that to all of us who have gone though 754, 939, AM2/AM2+/AM3. They did it all the time, so don't give me that crap about them not doing it. It is only recently, when they started loosing the game and had to do something else to add value to their products, that started including backwards compatibility.

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Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

If we are taking sides, I chose to believe this news report is full of crap and the old info. about the sockets were right. I mean its all up in the air until someone from AMD steps forward and says something or the NDA is lifted and BtaRunr can just tell us the truth.

You're the only one taking sides, I'm just looking at the situation for what it is.

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Originally Posted by devguy

I agree that AMD's continued silence on the matter is discomforting. Although, to be fair, AMD has never stated that the current chipsets are incompatible with Zambezi.

JF-AMD has stated that AMD's official stance is that a motherboard manufacturer making a Zambezi chip run in an AM3 board via BIOS update is not supported. He doesn't say it is impossible.

That is kind of my point. They could have released the processor with backwards compatility, obviously, but decided not to. Yes, the architecture might have been held back a little by an older chipset, but for someone looking for a cheap upgrade it wouldn't matter. AMD has shown no problem with holding back an architecture on an older chipset/board/socket before.

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Originally Posted by erocker

I'm glad they didn't. For me, messing up a pin on a LGA socket seems all to easy. If you do happen to mess up a pin, it can be fixed, but a pin on the CPU itself seems easier to fix for me.

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Originally Posted by $immond$

agreed, much easier to fix on a CPU then on a board.

It is easier to fix a pin on a CPU, but also easier to bend/break a pin on a CPU. If I drop my motherboard, chances of bending a pin are pretty close to 0. If I drop my CPU, I'm almost guaranteed a bend pin. Not to mention dropping the CPU is easier since it is smaller.

TRIPTEX_CAN · Mar 15, 2011, 06:35 PM

I've seen problems with people dropping the CPU itself into the socket on an LGA775 board which destroyed it completely. Basically just dont drop your shit.

I'm pretty excited for Zambezi. I've been riding my current system for long enough and I can't wait to buld a new system. Hopefully this series can smoke BF3 properly.

Aleksander · Mar 15, 2011, 06:38 PM

At least they are launching the bios before the cpus are out!

Yellow&Nerdy? · Mar 15, 2011, 06:47 PM

It might be that AMD is releasing Zambezi with two different pin-counts. Like for example the 4-core and 6-core variants will be backwards compatible, but not the 8-core version. Or they will release two "generations" of CPUs and one of them is backwards compatible and the other one is not. Who knows. I guess we'll have to wait until June, if there isn't more delays.

TheLaughingMan · Mar 15, 2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

They've never done that?!? Tell that to all of us who have gone though 754, 939, AM2/AM2+/AM3. They did it all the time, so don't give me that crap about them not doing it. It is only recently, when they started loosing the game and had to do something else to add value to their products, that started including backwards compatibility.

You're the only one taking sides, I'm just looking at the situation for what it is.

That is kind of my point. They could have released the processor with backwards compatility, obviously, but decided not to. Yes, the architecture might have been held back a little by an older chipset, but for someone looking for a cheap upgrade it wouldn't matter. AMD has shown no problem with holding back an architecture on an older chipset/board/socket before.

First AM3, AM2+ were both backwards compatible. 754 to 939 was an actual change in the chip architecture. No excuse for 939 to AM2. I do not deny the backwards compatibility was a move to add value to their products. My point is why would they establish using backwards compatibility as value to their CPU line, then suddenly drop that entire idea? Why not continue that same trend if it was possible?

Technically AMD hasn't said anything concrete. We have had reports that it doesn't fit the socket. I don't remember anyone saying the older chipsets don't work.

And you are taking sides. You see a report from a site you probably never seen before with unidentified source in ASUS and your immediate response was "AMD are liars." That is the definition of taking a side.

This is how you take it for what it is: Read story and reply with, "Has ASUS confirmed this or responded to the post?"

slyfox2151 · Mar 15, 2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow&Nerdy?

It might be that AMD is releasing Zambezi with two different pin-counts. Like for example the 4-core and 6-core variants will be backwards compatible, but not the 8-core version. Or they will release two "generations" of CPUs and one of them is backwards compatible and the other one is not. Who knows. I guess we'll have to wait until June, if there isn't more delays.

IMO this does make a lot of sence

i can see them making the 4/6core cpus compatible and leaving the 8/12/16 core CPUs as AM3+ Only.

brandonwh64 · Mar 15, 2011, 07:06 PM

I personally hope bulldozer comes out and can compete with intel this time. it still bothers me how thuban did when competing to 1366

[H]@RD5TUFF · Mar 15, 2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow&Nerdy?

It might be that AMD is releasing Zambezi with two different pin-counts. Like for example the 4-core and 6-core variants will be backwards compatible, but not the 8-core version. Or they will release two "generations" of CPUs and one of them is backwards compatible and the other one is not. Who knows. I guess we'll have to wait until June, if there isn't more delays.

Much like they made some slower versions of Phenom 2 that were AM2+ , but if you look at the G34 chips they are huge and the socket is completely different, I just don't see AMD being able to die shrink that to fit the current AM3 socket they use. I think AM3+ will have a larger PGA ZIF.

All I know is the UD5 better be on there or I am going to be pissed! If I have to buy a new mobo for their next processor, I may as well go to an Intel then.

Bjorn_Of_Iceland · Mar 15, 2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thelaughingman

didn't tpu post a report from asrock that they were going to release an board with the 890gx or fx chipset but an am3b socket. According to them and their pre-release pics, the socket should look something like this:

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/...in-japan-3.jpg

anyone up for a count?

942

CDdude55 · Mar 15, 2011, 07:28 PM

Don't care unless i can throw one on my Asus 880G board. Great news for the people who have those top end boards though.

TheMailMan78 · Mar 15, 2011, 08:01 PM

So whats the conclusion?

Is there a pin difference or no?

Nesters · Mar 15, 2011, 08:19 PM

Actually JF-AMD has said something about BD not working on AM3.

http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewto...37898&start=25

'There is no way that BD will work in an AM3, there is nothing to "shut off"'
but anyways i guess there is this extra hole on some of the boards already so that extra pin just fits in.

HalfAHertz · Mar 15, 2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by [H]@RD5TUFF

Much like they made some slower versions of Phenom 2 that were AM2+ , but if you look at the G34 chips they are huge and the socket is completely different, I just don't see AMD being able to die shrink that to fit the current AM3 socket they use. I think AM3+ will have a larger PGA ZIF.

All I know is the UD5 better be on there or I am going to be pissed! If I have to buy a new mobo for their next processor, I may as well go to an Intel then.

Or how the original phenom worked in AM2 boards but only at HT1.0 link speeds.

FlanK3r · Mar 15, 2011, 09:44 PM

Guys, this news is not right....its little mistake. Yes, it will be new revision boards, but not with AM3 socket

Zambezi has +1 pin for new controler...

newtekie1 · Mar 15, 2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

First AM3, AM2+ were both backwards compatible. 754 to 939 was an actual change in the chip architecture. No excuse for 939 to AM2. I do not deny the backwards compatibility was a move to add value to their products. My point is why would they establish using backwards compatibility as value to their CPU line, then suddenly drop that entire idea? Why not continue that same trend if it was possible?

Technically AMD hasn't said anything concrete. We have had reports that it doesn't fit the socket. I don't remember anyone saying the older chipsets don't work.

And you are taking sides. You see a report from a site you probably never seen before with unidentified source in ASUS and your immediate response was "AMD are liars." That is the definition of taking a side.

This is how you take it for what it is: Read story and reply with, "Has ASUS confirmed this or responded to the post?"

754 to 939 was not a change in architecture, they both used the same architecture. Though I will accept that it was implemented to allow Dual-Core CPUs, which AMD did not take into consideration when designing the socket.

I understand your point about their recent history, but my point is that a few recent actions doesn't mean they will always follow that logic. And if this news is true, it shows they obviously haven't followed that logic.

I'm not taking sides, I'm telling you what this news means. If that offends you, or you don't like it because someone is casting AMD in a light you don't like, that is your problem. That doesn't mean I'm taking a side.

TheMailMan78 · Mar 15, 2011, 09:56 PM

Ok now that we have all shown our e-peen can we please get to the facts?! Is this confirmed or bullshit?

erocker · Mar 15, 2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Ok now that we have all shown our e-peen can we please get to the facts?! Is this confirmed or bullshit?

Follow the source. It will give you its source which is a press release from Asus. That is confirmation.

TheLaughingMan · Mar 15, 2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

754 to 939 was not a change in architecture, they both used the same architecture. Though I will accept that it was implemented to allow Dual-Core CPUs, which AMD did not take into consideration when designing the socket.

I understand your point about their recent history, but my point is that a few recent actions doesn't mean they will always follow that logic. And if this news is true, it shows they obviously haven't followed that logic.

I'm not taking sides, I'm telling you what this news means. If that offends you, or you don't like it because someone is casting AMD in a light you don't like, that is your problem. That doesn't mean I'm taking a side.

Ok, I see your point.

And trust me there is nothing anyone can write about me that would offend me. I have my buttons, but written messages aren't one of them.

yogurt_21 · Mar 15, 2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

754 to 939 was not a change in architecture, they both used the same architecture. Though I will accept that it was implemented to allow Dual-Core CPUs, which AMD did not take into consideration when designing the socket.

I understand your point about their recent history, but my point is that a few recent actions doesn't mean they will always follow that logic. And if this news is true, it shows they obviously haven't followed that logic.

I'm not taking sides, I'm telling you what this news means. If that offends you, or you don't like it because someone is casting AMD in a light you don't like, that is your problem. That doesn't mean I'm taking a side.

correct which is why I have a 754 rig that has a 3000 venice in it. the venice core athlon 64 was originally a 939 only chip and then they released some 754 variants later.

[H]@RD5TUFF · Mar 15, 2011, 10:21 PM

All will be revealed in about 2 and a half months, until then it's all speculation and bologna until AMD says something. I personally hope they at least support 8 cores on AM3 otherwise this is a fail on AMD's part.

LAN_deRf_HA · Mar 15, 2011, 10:39 PM

What's with all the butter fingers? You should only be getting pin damage from excessive socket force like with a venom.

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Mar 15, 2011, 08:19 PM	#41
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Mar 15, 2011, 09:44 PM	#43
FlanK3r Join Date: May 2009 Location: czech republic Posts: 146 (0.10/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 53 Times in 31 Posts System Specs	Guys, this news is not right....its little mistake. Yes, it will be new revision boards, but not with AM3 socket Zambezi has +1 pin for new controler... __________________ PC1:AMD Phenom II x6 1090T BE@4300 MHz stable !!, ASUS Crosshair IV Formula, Xigmatek 1283 DK, 650W Seasonic, ASUS HD 5770,2x2 GB A-Data 2000X, 1x Samsung F3 500 GB PC2:AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE 3915MHz+2680MHz NB 24/7 or AMD Phenom II x4 965 BE C3 4030MHz 24/7 aircooolong CM Hyper 212, 2x2 GB DDR2 1066 MHz, MA790X-UD4, saphire HD3870 512MB, 2xWD 320 GB, Samsung 1823 DVD-R/W, case Aspire X-cruiser benchPC:second Thuban 1090T , x4 970 BE and new i7 980x + ASUS Rampage III Extreme

System Name:	AMD forever, AMD overclocker
Processor:	Athlon 3000+ Venice, Athlon x2 4600+ EE Windsor,x4 955 BE@3.9GHz AIR, X4 965 BE, x4 970 BE, x6 1090T
Motherboard:	Gigabyte MA790X-UD4, ASUS Crosshair IV Formula, ASUS Rampage III EXtreme
Cooling:	CM Hyper 212, Xigmatek 1283 DK+Ultra Kaze, CM V6GT
Memory:	4GB Kingston Hyper X, A-Data 2000x, Corsair Dominator GT 2000 MHz
Video Card:	ATI Saphire radeon HD3870 512MB GDDR4, ATI ASUS HD5770 1024MB GDDR5. ATI HD4870
Hard Disk:	2x 320GB WD+Samsung, 1x 500 GB Samsung, SSD X-25
Optical Drive:	1x Samsung 18x, 1x LG 20x, ASUS 24x
CRT/LCD Model:	Samusng 20" 2053BW
Case:	Aspire X-Cruiser, HAF, benchtable Wroom
PSU:	Seasonic 500W and Seasonic 650W, Corsair AX 1200W
Software:	x64 win 7 and x86 Win XP SP3
Benchmarks:	you rather I do not want to see .. :-D !!!Thuban coming soon, new secret Gigabyte mobo too !!!

Mar 15, 2011, 09:56 PM	#45
TheMailMan78 Banstick Dummy Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Crystal River, FL Posts: 15,111 (6.92/day) Thanks: 1,337 Thanked 6,834 Times in 3,741 Posts System Specs	Ok now that we have all shown our e-peen can we please get to the facts?! Is this confirmed or bullshit?

Processor:	Intel i7 3770K @ 4.6ghz 1.256v
Motherboard:	Asus Maximus V Formula
Cooling:	Water
Memory:	2x4gb Patriot Viper 2133mhz 10-11-10-25 2T 1.55v
Video Card:	Sapphire HD 7970 1125/1575 1.14v
Hard Disk:	Crucial M4 128Gb / Corsair Force 3 120Gb / Samsung 240Gb / 2Tb Seagate
Optical Drive:	None
CRT/LCD Model:	Acheiva Shimian 27" IPS 2560x1440
Case:	Corsair 500R White
Sound Card:	Onboard
PSU:	NZXT Hale90 1Kw
Software:	Windows 8 x64

System Name:	Last of the Mohicans
Processor:	Intel i7 950 @ 4.4GHZ 21x210
Motherboard:	Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
Cooling:	Scythe Mugen 2 rev B (SCMG-2100), stock on gpu's.
Memory:	6GB Kingston HyperX ddr3 1600 9-9-9-27@ 1680
Video Card:	2x Msi gtx 480 :) Still Strong
Hard Disk:	Samsung 840 Pro 256GB OS, 3x WD10EARS in raid 0 games, external 2tb storage, RaptorX 150GB chillin
Optical Drive:	SONY DVD-+RW and sony combo
CRT/LCD Model:	Viewsonic 27" 1080P
Case:	Raidmax Scorpio 668, stupid small ass case has 1 too few expansion slots in the back
Sound Card:	onboard HD
PSU:	Enermax Galaxy 1kw 75amp +12v
Software:	Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Benchmarks:	thus far max 3d11 11580, Vantage 43977

Mar 15, 2011, 10:21 PM	#49
[H]@RD5TUFF Eligible for custom title Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,589 (4.34/day) Thanks: 1,825 Thanked 1,710 Times in 1,431 Posts System Specs	All will be revealed in about 2 and a half months, until then it's all speculation and bologna until AMD says something. I personally hope they at least support 8 cores on AM3 otherwise this is a fail on AMD's part. __________________ Stuff 4 Sale! Heat Ware ebay

Mar 15, 2011, 10:39 PM	#50
LAN_deRf_HA Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,024 (2.14/day) Thanks: 290 Thanked 831 Times in 588 Posts System Specs	What's with all the butter fingers? You should only be getting pin damage from excessive socket force like with a venom.

System Name:	Obelisc
Processor:	i7 2600k @ 4.5 GHz
Motherboard:	Asus P8Z77-V
Cooling:	H110
Memory:	16GB(4x8) @ 2133 MHz 9-11-10-28 2T
Video Card:	Galaxy GTX 660 Ti GC 3GB SLI
Hard Disk:	M4 256GB, 2x 3TB Seagate XT
Optical Drive:	Samsung 12x Bluray
CRT/LCD Model:	Crossover 27Q
Case:	Corsair 550D
Sound Card:	X-Fi Titanium HD with HD598
PSU:	Kingwin LZP-550
Software:	Win7 64bit SP1

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