Battlefield 3 vs Modern Warfare 3 - Showdown

[Black Haru]

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

So i just heard rumors that Activision might be charging a subscription fee to play MW3

read more about it here or just google it

Its an old rumor that has been floating around since late 2010. and even now no-one is sure if they will go ahead with it so it is very much in the boat with fiasco about dedicated server support.

If its true. then its ridiculous.

I thought that was officially announced. if you want certain features of the game you have to pay subscription.

since COD caters to console (xbox especially) people are used to paying for what should be free anyway. this will probably go over well, and make activision a lot of money.

[Shihabyooo]

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

So i just heard rumors that Activision might be charging a subscription fee to play MW3

read more about it here or just google it

Its an old rumor that has been floating around since late 2010. and even now no-one is sure if they will go ahead with it so it is very much in the boat with fiasco about dedicated server support.

If its true. then its ridiculous.

Doubt that would happen. Don't think te people at Steam will like that. Unless Activision is planning to change DRM again

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by Black Haru

I thought that was officially announced. if you want certain features of the game you have to pay subscription.

since COD caters to console (xbox especially) people are used to paying for what should be free anyway. this will probably go over well, and make activision a lot of money.

Yeah, A friend was just telling me Activision CEO just confirmed it. I suppose they are just out to piss off the PC crowd even more

[bucketface]

moden warfare is the to games like the tradional hollywood action blockbuster

battlefield is more the blackhawk down, saving private ryan and so on.

different style, differnet target audience with some overlap.

on a different note i'm note liking the whole yearly release cycle that is being adopted. the attitude of companys taking an ip and milking it for all its worth/ running it into the ground is starting to get annoying. i thought the whole point of dlc was that they could extend the lifecycle of a game providing easy access to expasion like additions to the game.

[Wrigleyvillain]

As much as I want to scream "Kotick strikes again!" we really should have a source on this.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Wrigleyvillain

As much as I want to scream "Kotick strikes again!" we really should have a source on this.

No its official. It was announced a few weeks ago. Almost got an infraction debating someone about it.

[Frick]

Here's an article on Ars about it.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2...nt-service.ars

[TheMailMan78]

Heres the link directly from Activision.

http://www.callofduty.com/elite

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by bucketface

moden warfare is the to games like the tradional hollywood action blockbuster

battlefield is more the blackhawk down, saving private ryan and so on.

different style, differnet target audience with some overlap.

on a different note i'm note liking the whole yearly release cycle that is being adopted. the attitude of companys taking an ip and milking it for all its worth/ running it into the ground is starting to get annoying. i thought the whole point of dlc was that they could extend the lifecycle of a game providing easy access to expasion like additions to the game.

agreed. there are a lot of people out there which view DLCs with a lot of Skepticism, especially when they announce the availability of DLCs while the games still in development or soon after the games release as it could be that these DLCs are/were part of the original game but were cut away and held back so they could charge people to download it.

I was listening to the bit-tech podcast. and this was one of the topics that was being debated. theres a lot of cloak and dagger tactics surrounding DLC content.

[HookeyStreet]

LOL

Copies of Modern Warfare 3 will sell like hot cakes! The average gamer like myself will own both MW3 and BF3.

[H82LUZ73]

Originally Posted by erocker

I can't wait to curl up next to my console, plug my controller in and play the greatest FPS franchise ever MW3. The way it's meant to be played. I'll own some n00bs until Christmas with intense close combat sniper fire.

lol until 2 hours after it comes out then all the hack Scriptures will own you .

[erocker]

Originally Posted by H82LUZ73

lol until 2 hours after it comes out then all the hack Scriptures will own you .

There are no hack/scripts. Only n00bs.

[xenocide]

The way I see it, MW3 will probably sell better because the average consumer will see the new trailer, directed by Michael Bay, featuring a new Eminem song, and go bananas for that shit. From a PC Gaming perspective, BF3 will be the infinitely better game, and should at least gain some ground. I think the most important thing to realize, is that EA\DICE finally figured out how to beat Activision's CoD series; make a superior product.

If they actually listen, and don't just copy, they will start making infinitely better products, that fans actually want to buy. I have no regrets in buying BFBC2, I technically bought it twice (rebought it with Vietnam DLC through Steam sale for like 66% off) even. I see it as a much better product than both MW2 and Black Ops were. It is quite apparent that Activision has focused on Console Gaming, which makes sense considering they are a business. They are expected to go where the money is, and with their unwillingness to put resources into PC Gaming, that money just isn't there.

From my perspective, the reason so many people bash CoD games, is a combination of many unfavorable aspects. For starters, they are basically taking the same game, and repackaging it each year. It's like the Madden of the FPS genre, and people don't like that, especially PC Gamers. It tells the community, that the game will get a bit of support in the beginning just so people buy it, and then they will largely ignore it after a couple months so they can start pumping out the next game, and expect everyone to just keep buying the new iterations.

Releasing a game each year leads quickly to market saturation. It happened most obviously with Guitar Hero. Sure, there were a lot of different elements, but there was a time when everyone had to have Guitar Hero, then Activision pumped like 6 GH-related games out in one year, and people saw no reason to keep buying them. Once people stopped buying them, Activision tossed out the studio working on the next games. There is a very really possibility a similar situation will happen with CoD games. It probably won't be as extreme or as fast, but with 4 separate studios (Sledgehammer, IW, Raven Games, Treyarch) working on CoD games, you have to imagine that they are trying to trim down on the time in between games.

The other major reason people tend to hate CoD (from the PC perspective) is that they pretty much ignore the community. Activision handles CoD like Apple. You are playing their game, the way they made it, and fuck you if you want to change it. This was most obviously seen with MW2, where they removed lean, dedicated servers, and mod tools. They claim all of this was due to balance (in the case of lean) and improving the accessibility of the game. This of course, was met with massive backlash.

There are certain things that games these days are expected to have, mostly because it's assumed these features are standard. Imagine going to buy a brand new 2012 car, and having them tell you that they removed the AC and Radio because it was making the vehicle too complicated. Wouldn't you feel like they are insulting your intelligence and expecting you to buy and inferior product? I sure would. You know what in an interview Robert Bowling said was unique about the PC Version? Mouse Controls, Text Chat, and Extra Graphics settings.

On the other hand we have DICE, who have continued to improve on their products, and understand that the community is one with the consumer. That by listening to their demands, and making a superior product, the competitors don't stand a chance. Gamers don't want to be treated like soccer mom's, with a bunch of paid "social features". They just want good quality games that are supported by their creators. You think Blizzard is so loved by chance? Or because they secretly have a hypno-toad (they do)? It's because they have held onto this design philosophy for decades. And it works.

[f22a4bandit]

I have faith that EA/DICE will do an excellent job with BF3. The way EA handles the FIFA franchise is one of the reasons I believe. The only game I really buy for my PS3 (and only reason I play it) is FIFA. The difference between FIFA 10 and FIFA 11 is gargantuan, and if you played both you'd notice it. DICE is throwing its lot in with the PC crowd, and I think it'll be a success.

I've convinced two of my friends to jump the console ship and COD bandwagon and hop on the PC to play BF3. They're sick of the same rehash as well, and thoroughly enjoyed BC2 even on Xbox.

[cheesy999]

Originally Posted by f22a4bandit

I've convinced two of my friends to jump the console ship and COD bandwagon and hop on the PC to play BF3. They're sick of the same rehash as well, and thoroughly enjoyed BC2 even on Xbox.

its getting them onto BF thats the problem, i have a lot of friends who can't be bothered to buy the same rehash so they all play old CODS cause the new ones arn't worth the money

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

No its official. It was announced a few weeks ago. Almost got an infraction debating someone about it.

Wow....so xbox players will have to pay for the game + Xbox live + "COD elite" just to play online??

Holy mother....

[Wyverex]

As far as I understand it, CoD Elite gives you extra maps, etc... sort of like DLCs & Map Packs, but you don't pay for it all at once - instead, you pay a bit every month...

You should still be able to play online without Elite.


As for discussion on topic, I'd just say that BF3 will win on PCs hands down, while CoD:MW3 will win on consoles.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Originally Posted by Wyverex

As far as I understand it, CoD Elite gives you extra maps, etc... sort of like DLCs & Map Packs, but you don't pay for it all at once - instead, you pay a bit every month...

You should still be able to play online without Elite.


As for discussion on topic, I'd just say that BF3 will win on PCs hands down, while CoD:MW3 will win on consoles.

Ah, I see. Still though, pretty lame.

If you are talking about sales numbers then I definitely agree with you.

[_JP_]

Call of Duty, serving as boot-camp for wannabe Battlefield soldiers since 2003.

[snuif09]

since when do we measure a game by its sales? saying that CoD sells alot doesnt say anything about the quality of the game itself, just how well it is marketed and how many sheep fell for the marketing. Otherwise we could say that farmville is one of the best games ever, bullshit.

I like battlefield since its actually a challenge to play and requires some thinking, CoD on the other hand doesnt require a frikking brain. And saying "Oh cod isnt supposed to be realistic" then don't copy gun models and make them sound and behave like shit..

[Frick]

Originally Posted by snuif09

since when do we measure a game by its sales? saying that CoD sells alot doesnt say anything about the quality of the game itself, just how well it is marketed and how many sheep fell for the marketing. Otherwise we could say that farmville is one of the best games ever, bullshit.

If CoD was utter crap it would not sell no matter the marketing. Or it might sell, but people would not like it. And CoD is not crap, they're just not for everyone.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Frick

If CoD was utter crap it would not sell no matter the marketing. Or it might sell, but people would not like it. And CoD is not crap, they're just not for everyone.

Black Ops was crap. Even the console players thought so.........it still sold. Marketing is EVERYTHING.

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by Frick

If CoD was utter crap it would not sell no matter the marketing. Or it might sell, but people would not like it. And CoD is not crap, they're just for console junkies

fixed

[xenocide]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Black Ops was crap. Even the console players thought so.........it still sold. Marketing is EVERYTHING.

Yup. Most of my friends that bought it were very disappointed by Black Ops. Sure the game isn't complete crap, but it wasn't nearly as good as you would think.

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by xenocide

Yup. Most of my friends that bought it were very disappointed by Black Ops. Sure the game isn't complete crap, but it wasn't nearly as good as you would think.

thats what you get when you try for a CoD release every year. everything just becomes a rehash with a few weapons, game types and maps thrown in.

CoD2 was released in October , 2005

CoD:Mw1 = November 2009

it takes time to make quality games. but Duke Nuke'm Forever is an exception.