Selling i7 for a Mac i5 Speed Difference?

[Wile E]

I don't see a problem with it. I plan to buy one for the bedroom soon.

[ShiBDiB]

Originally Posted by bettz

Just to update you all (I know this isn't going to be v popular) I've ordered a
27-inch:
2.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
2560 x 1440 resolution
4GB (two 2GB) memory
1TB hard drive1
AMD Radeon HD 6770M with 512MB

And how much money did u waste on a laptop when you have a capable rig already? Shit why even bother asking for r advice

[RejZoR]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Sure you can, but that's irrelevant. Wrong formfactor. He already expressed interest in no longer having a tower. Why would he build a tower himself?

That's like saying that you can get a lot more for your money building your own tower as compared to buying a laptop. Of course you can, but it completely defeats the purpose of buying that formfactor.



You can get IPS screens for PCs as well, so that is not an advantage.

And Photoshop is not faster on Mac either.

You'd be suprised what can you stuff into ITX or micro ATX cases that look nice and are still very small. IF you want micro PC then throw an eye on Shuttle's...

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by ShiBDiB

And how much money did u waste on a laptop when you have a capable rig already? Shit why even bother asking for r advice

Not a laptop. Read again. Try the whole thread this time.

Originally Posted by RejZoR

You'd be suprised what can you stuff into ITX or micro ATX cases that look nice and are still very small. IF you want micro PC then throw an eye on Shuttle's...

Not the same formfactor. He seemed to specifically want an all-in-one. That kinda counts out building your own.

And Shuttles compete with the Mac Mini. Shuttles also happen to cost more for the same performance in the same formfactor.

[ShiBDiB]

O so its a desktop with a laptop card? that somehow is supposed to make it better?

[LDNL]

Originally Posted by ShiBDiB

O so its a desktop with a laptop card? that somehow is supposed to make it better?

Actually its a 58xx card rebranded.

[bostonbuddy]

They should totally make All in one M-ITX cases, come w/ the monitor and psu installed, w/ amd apu's and sandybridge don't need to worry about space for cards, just enough room for the cpu cooler, some ram, and a 2.5in ssd. Just hook up a cd drive w/ e-sata to install windows and good to go.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by ShiBDiB

O so its a desktop with a laptop card? that somehow is supposed to make it better?

Yes it is, if you want your entire computer to fit in your 27" IPS monitor.

Move along now. The anti-Apple crowd has no place here.

[Frick]

I love you Wile E. <3

[entropy13]

Originally Posted by LDNL

Actually its a 58xx card rebranded.

Nope, it's 6770M, a slight improvement over the 5770M. However, "Compared to desktop graphics cards, the HD 5770 is similar to the ATI Radeon HD 5570 graphics card." So the 6770M is around the performance of a desktop HD 5670.

[Crap Daddy]

From where I come from the Dell Ultrasharp U2711 is the equivalent of 935$ and the same iMac that the OP ordered is the equivalent of 2725$. If we take the panel out of the iMac that leaves us with 1790$ to build a machine. For this kind of money you can set up a system that is waaay much better that what's in the iMac. Even with half the amount you can build a better machine that the iMac and still have the beautiful IPS monitor. I don't even want to think about the upgradability of a PC. I forgot to mention that the warranty for the iMac is one year and for extending it with a year there's an additional 160$. The only justifiable purchase of an iMac is for one to be totally addicted to the looks of the machine, doesn't like many cables under his desk and from time to time wants to move it around to other locations easily.

[twicksisted]

I knew someone who used a Mac everyday and then one day, all of a sudden, out of the blue... WHAM! he turned gay!

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by Crap Daddy

From where I come from the Dell Ultrasharp U2711 is the equivalent of 935$ and the same iMac that the OP ordered is the equivalent of 2725$. If we take the panel out of the iMac that leaves us with 1790$ to build a machine. For this kind of money you can set up a system that is waaay much better that what's in the iMac. Even with half the amount you can build a better machine that the iMac and still have the beautiful IPS monitor. I don't even want to think about the upgradability of a PC. I forgot to mention that the warranty for the iMac is one year and for extending it with a year there's an additional 160$. The only justifiable purchase of an iMac is for one to be totally addicted to the looks of the machine, doesn't like many cables under his desk and from time to time wants to move it around to other locations easily.

You cannot build your own computer into a monitor, unless you either want to void a $1000 monitor's warranty, or you want to attach the computer to the back of the monitor. Attaching to the back makes it hard to use things like optical drives. I know, I tried. It was a PITA.

The entire purpose of these all in ones is to take up ONLY the footprint of a monitor, while still being a full fledged computer.

This makes a difference to some of us. In my bedroom, I have no room for a larger desk, nowhere on that desk to put a tower (or even a mini), and nowhere on the floor to put a computer. All-in-ones are the only type of computer I can have there.

The ONLY thing you can compare these all-in-ones to fairly, is other all-in-ones. Comparisons to any other type of machine are completely irrelevant and invalid. The entire purpose of buying an all-in-one, is to have an all-in-one. People looking to buy these are very specifically looking to NOT buy a tower. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

You pay extra to use the smaller components. The same holds true for the other all-in-ones on the market. But the other all-in-ones on the market have much crappier screens. When other OEMs start putting good panels in their all-in-ones, I'll consider them.

So, again, move along anti-Mac people. Nothing to see here.

[FordGT90Concept]

You know what I find funny? A lot of computer manufacturers have started making iMac clones yet, as far as I can tell, all except the iMac don't sell that great. The all-in-one desktop computer model is one exclusive to Apple and, as always, it most likely has to do more with Apple branding than being something people actually seek out/desire. Sell the exact same thing, for the exact same price, with Windows on it and an HP or Dell sticker and I bet virtually no one would buy it.

It probably has a lot to do with the fact that most computer (Windows based) sales are $1000 or less where Apple has no computers except the Mac Mini for that price. Ultimately, most people (except Apple customers) would rather save $500+ than save a cubic foot or three of space. I believe most Apple customers justify that added expense because they believe they are making a fashion statement--the same reason some people justify buying a $1000+ Gucci bag over some $30 no-namer at Wal-Mart.

Nothing is stopping Apple from putting a TN panel in their iMacs and selling it for much less. Hell, if Steve Jobs weren't in charge, they probably would have done it long ago to steal some of Microsoft's market-share.


And by the way, they have the foot print of a 27" laptop, not a 27" monitor (they're quite a bit thicker than your average monitor). They are effectively laptops with no keyboard, track pad, and no closable lid.

[Frick]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

And by the way, they have the foot print of a 27" laptop, not a 27" monitor (they're quite a bit thicker than your average monitor). They are effectively laptops with no keyboard, track pad, and no closable screen.

Except they stand up. Laptops don't. The rest of the post I agree with.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

You know what I find funny? A lot of computer manufacturers have started making iMac clones yet, as far as I can tell, all except the iMac don't sell that great. The all-in-one desktop computer model is one exclusive to Apple and, as always, it most likely has to do more with Apple branding than being something people actually seek out/desire. Sell the exact same thing, for the exact same price, with Windows on it and an HP or Dell sticker and I bet virtually no one would buy it.

It probably has a lot to do with the fact that most computer (Windows based) sales are $1000 or less where Apple has no computers except the Mac Mini for that price. Ultimately, most people (except Apple customers) would rather save $500+ than save a cubic foot or three of space. I believe most Apple customers justify that added expense because they believe they are making a fashion statement--the same reason some people justify buying a $1000+ Gucci bag over some $30 no-namer at Wal-Mart.

Nothing is stopping Apple from putting a TN panel in their iMacs and selling it for much less. Hell, if Steve Jobs weren't in charge, they probably would have done it long ago to steal some of Microsoft's market-share.


And by the way, they have the foot print of a 27" laptop, not a 27" monitor (they're quite a bit thicker than your average monitor). They are effectively laptops with no keyboard, track pad, and no closable lid.

No, they have the footprint of a 27" monitor. The only thing that touches the desk is the stand, and that stand is no bigger than the ones on the monitors. The only dimension they are significantly larger in is height when measured from the bottom of the bezel to the top of the bezel, and that is generally irrelevant, as the overall height, including the stand, is well within the standard adjustments of 27" monitors. So yes, the bezel height is larger, but the overall height is not.

[Crap Daddy]

Originally Posted by Wile E

So, again, move along anti-Mac people. Nothing to see here.

So this is a pro-Mac thread? I thought we were debating weather the peformance of the OPs PC which he plans to sell will be the same as the iMac in question.

But you are right you cannot compare Apples to oranges.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by Frick

Except they stand up. Laptops don't. The rest of the post I agree with.

Because they don't have keyboards and mice...the reason why laptops go flat. The exception is laptops with touchscreens (HP and Lenovo for sure have a few of them). Touchscreen laptops can be oriented any way you please.

Originally Posted by Wile E

No, they have the footprint of a 27" monitor. The only thing that touches the desk is the stand, and that stand is no bigger than the ones on the monitors. The only dimension they are significantly larger in is height when measured from the bottom of the bezel to the top of the bezel, and that is generally irrelevant, as the overall height, including the stand, is well within the standard adjustments of 27" monitors. So yes, the bezel height is larger, but the overall height is not.

I'm looking at it from the perspective a VESA mount. a VESA mounted iMac would stick out farther from the wall than a VESA mounted monitor. Oh, thats right, Apple despises holes so it doesn't support VESA mounts without a $39 accessory. Stuff mounted to walls tend to use less desktop space than stuff sitting on a desk.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by Crap Daddy

So this is a pro-Mac thread? I thought we were debating weather the peformance of the OPs PC which he plans to sell will be the same as the iMac in question.

But you are right you cannot compare Apples to oranges.

Not, not necessarily, but if people would pay closer attention, he expressed interest in the form factor. That kinda counts out building a tower. From what I gather, he essentially wanted to know if it would be horribly slower or just marginally slower, as he wanted to go all-in-one.

Originally Posted by FordGT90Concept

Because they don't have keyboards and mice...the reason why laptops go flat. The exception is laptops with touchscreens (HP and Lenovo for sure have a few of them). Touchscreen laptops can be oriented any way you please.



I'm looking at it from the perspective a VESA mount. a VESA mounted iMac would stick out farther from the wall than a VESA mounted monitor. Oh, thats right, Apple despises holes so it doesn't support VESA mounts without a $39 accessory. Stuff mounted to walls tend to use less desktop space than stuff sitting on a desk.

That's an even smaller fringe of the market. Granted, it's valid, but that doesn't qualify your original statement that it has a larger footprint, anymore than my statement disqualifies yours. It specifically depends on how you intend to mount it, I suppose. Either way, it's definitely not laugh worthy, so I have no idea where that came from.

[DaedalusHelios]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I mean really its the oldest stereotype in the book when it comes to Apples. Hell if you are still running CS4 on the PC its 100 time better. Why? Because they didn't offer a 64-bit version on the Mac platform! CS5 changed that however. Even still the CS5 suit is only partially 64-bit on the Mac AFAIK.

Mac didn't have 64-bit photoshop because they refused to hand over early dev software to Adobe because they really can't be bothered . They are abusive to resellers from what I have heard. Companies like HHGregg were given the runaround by Apple trying to control how they would sell Apple products and placement/display requirements in the stores so they just said, "screw it we won't sell anything Apple". I don't know if it has changed since then regarding HHGregg but that whole pretentious nose in the air bullshit is so 80's I am sick of it. Their Cinema display PSU's died in many batches and Apple offered no help when we had to go out and replace them for multiple displays over time at my workplace. Even some of the replacement PSU's started dying. Checked the power at the wall and our power was clean.

The moral of the story after buying Apple products for years is don't believe the implied quality of the Apple logo. If you buy a Mac do it for the OS and not the hardware.

[FordGT90Concept]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Either way, it's definitely not laugh worthy, so I have no idea where that came from.

I should have been in bed 6 hours ago, that's why it was funny (to me, in my exhausted brain). XD

[entropy13]

Originally Posted by DaedalusHelios

The moral of the story after buying Apple products for years is don't believe the implied quality of the Apple logo. If you buy a Mac do it for the OS and not the hardware.

Agreed. Don't buy Microsoft Office for Mac from Apple too, since it's overpriced.