The American TPU Clubhouse.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me if the system collapses. It will give us a chance to realize that living isn't dependent on our economic status and hopefully we will rebuild with a better system in mind.

The original system was fine. But we are not running the original system.

[freaksavior]

Originally Posted by Ronald Regan

In this vote-harvesting time, they use terms like the "Great Society," or as we were told a few days ago by the President, we must accept a greater government activity in the affairs of the people. But they've been a little more explicit in the past and among themselves; and all of the things I now will quote have appeared in print. These are not Republican accusations. For example, they have voices that say, "The cold war will end through our acceptance of a not undemocratic socialism." Another voice says, "The profit motive has become outmoded. It must be replaced by the incentives of the welfare state." Or, "Our traditional system of individual freedom is incapable of solving the complex problems of the 20th century." Senator Fullbright has said at Stanford University that the Constitution is outmoded. He referred to the President as "our moral teacher and our leader," and he says he is "hobbled in his task by the restrictions of power imposed on him by this antiquated document." He must "be freed," so that he "can do for us" what he knows "is best." And Senator Clark of Pennsylvania, another articulate spokesman, defines liberalism as "meeting the material needs of the masses through the full power of centralized government."

Well, I, for one, resent it when a representative of the people refers to you and me, the free men and women of this country, as "the masses." This is a term we haven't applied to ourselves in America. But beyond that, "the full power of centralized government"—this was the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to minimize. They knew that governments don't control things. A government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. They also knew, those Founding Fathers, that outside of its legitimate functions, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector of the economy.

Originally Posted by Ronald Regan

We have so many people who can't see a fat man standing beside a thin one without coming to the conclusion the fat man got that way by taking advantage of the thin one. So they're going to solve all the problems of human misery through government and government planning. Well, now, if government planning and welfare had the answer—and they've had almost 30 years of it—shouldn't we expect government to read the score to us once in a while? Shouldn't they be telling us about the decline each year in the number of people needing help? The reduction in the need for public housing?

But the reverse is true. Each year the need grows greater; the program grows greater. We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed hungry each night. Well that was probably true. They were all on a diet. But now we're told that 9.3 million families in this country are poverty-stricken on the basis of earning less than 3,000 dollars a year. Welfare spending [is] 10 times greater than in the dark depths of the Depression. We're spending 45 billion dollars on welfare. Now do a little arithmetic, and you'll find that if we divided the 45 billion dollars up equally among those 9 million poor families, we'd be able to give each family 4,600 dollars a year. And this added to their present income should eliminate poverty. Direct aid to the poor, however, is only running only about 600 dollars per family. It would seem that someplace there must be some overhead.

Maybe i'm missing the point of what MM is saying, and if I am, oops, but I think that is true.

quoted from
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archive...echoosing.html

[TheMailMan78]

Ronald Regan was no different then FDR. Spent more then he took in. Same shit.

[freaksavior]

I'm not big into politics but from my understanding, he had the right ideas, it just didn't really go anywhere.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

The original system was fine. But we are not running the original system.

The original system was great 235 years ago, we need to refine our system drastically if we want to get anywhere.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

The original system was great 235 years ago, we need to refine our system drastically if we want to get anywhere.

Drastically changing the system put us in the situation we are in today. Just because its old don't mean it ain't right. Also just because its new doesn't make it better.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Drastically changing the system put us in the situation we are in today. Just because its old don't mean it ain't right. Also just because its new doesn't make it better.

We will never find out whats better if we've never tried anything else.

The issues today aren't political, one of the mistakes in our current society is trusting other humans driven by self wealth to run this country.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

We will never find out whats better if we've never tried anything else.

The issues today aren't political, one of the mistakes in our current society is trusting other humans driven by self wealth to run this country.

Thing was the original system made us what we were 60+ years ago. A self sufficient industrial power house. Going off that model was an experiment. You know the whole "great society" BS? Well the bills due.

Go back to states rights and shit will get better fast.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Thing was the original system made us what we were 60+ years ago. A self sufficient industrial power house. Going off that model was an experiment. You know the whole "great society" BS? Well the bills due.

Go back to states rights and shit will get better fast.

But that doesn't fix the issues we are still plagued with, a replacement of the economic system that benefits everybody should be in order. It's hard to believe, but we can do without militarys and rid the world of most crimes if we were dedicated to changing.

But we are so use to the current system that no one questions it. We just tuck ourselves in and tell ourselves we're the most ''free'' nation in the world.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

But that doesn't fix the issues we are still plagued with, a replacement of the economic system that benefits everybody should be in order. It's hard to believe, but we can do without militarys and rid the world of most crimes if we were dedicated to changing.

But we are so use to the current system that no one questions it. We just tuck ourselves in and tell ourselves we're the most ''free'' nation in the world.

Oh I gotta hear this. What system would rid the world of crime? Better yet what system would remove the need for a military?

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Oh I gotta hear this. What system would rid the world of crime? Better yet what system would remove the need for a military?

Resource based. Our system produces scarcity, hence why most steal and kill, they want money or food for their family/themselves. So we make laws because we don't understand how to fix the root cause of our problems.

Militarizes don't contribute anything to society, militarizes exist because of our unwillingness to solve issues, so we patch it up with violence cause that's all we know how to do. We kill Osama and then wait for the government to tell us who the next bad guy is and then we assassinate them, it's never ending stupidity. Don't you see that if we don't fix the underlying ideology we will just keep going in circles?

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

Resource based. Our system produces scarcity, hence why most steal and kill, they want money or food for their family/themselves. So we make laws because we don't understand how to fix the root cause of our problems.

Militarizes don't contribute anything to society, militarizes exist because of our unwillingness to solve issues, so we patch it up with violence cause that's all we know how to do. We kill Osama and then wait for the government to tell us who the next bad guy is and then we assassinate them, it's never ending stupidity. Don't you see that if we don't fix the underlying ideology we will just keep going in circles?

You mean the "New Venus Project"?

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

You mean the "New Venus Project"?

I'm a huge advocator of the Venus Project yes.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

I'm a huge advocator of the Venus Project yes.

Ah...well.....good luck with that.

[remixedcat]

American cock is bigger then british cock

[TheMailMan78]

It tough being American. All the constant winning and flow of bitches.

[jasper1605]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Go back to states rights and shit will get better fast.

especially since that's how the original constitution was written. The so called "federal" side of our government can be found nowhere in the document. We were supposed to be a federation much like how the EU is designed (but we'd do it better because this is the AMERICA TPU clubhouse) with States' rights and a trade agreement via the federation.

[Wrigleyvillain]

Rescind the Interstate Commerce Clause!

[mlee49]

Hey America, change your signatures NAOW!

Credit to Drerex on Evga for the sig.
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?h...page=1#1183294

You'll need to resize it and you can add your username as well

[freaksavior]

Any american beer that's just a must have? I drank this over the weekend and I think it's fantastic.

[brandonwh64]

Last picture kinda scares me..... whitey!

[freaksavior]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

Last picture kinda scares me..... whitey!

I am white, a month ago that would have been a more true statement though, i've been outside almost every weekend so I got a tan. more like less pale whitey now.

[brandonwh64]

when I posted that I was thinking of whitey from me, myself and irene LOL

I could imagine you with the glasses and the small magnifying scope LOL

[freaksavior]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

when I posted that I was thinking of whitey from me, myself and irene LOL

I could imagine you with the glasses and the small magnifying scope LOL

lol nice.

I usually take a picture of what I drink
http://freaksavior.com/beer-ive-drank/

[Damn_Smooth]

Update: America still rules and The Mailman should still be reinstated.