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Old Sep 7, 2011, 11:53 AM   #26
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I'm slightly optomistic about all these delays as I was stupid enough to fall foul of the original phemons TLB bug at launch last time, thankfully ebay was kind to me latter that month and it sold for just a little less than i paid for it.

If all these delays mean we get a good working chip I'm all for the delays, god help AMD if serious bug is found after launch though
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Old Sep 7, 2011, 11:55 AM   #27
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He will be the busiest guy in his company right now. His products are going to be launched. Don't expect him on the internets anytime before weekend.
He has been on a fair bit lately, but if he doesn't respond to this then its true i guess. Not that it worries me lol
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Old Sep 7, 2011, 11:59 AM   #28
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I have a feeling that it will push to november
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And this is why AMD is struggling to keep their head above water. Seriously, wasting resources on advertising that less than 2% of their clients even care about. AMD needs to observe Intel's and IBM's marketing strategy and learn from it. Better yet, they should fire their entire marketing staff and snipe a few industry experts. Hell, pull an Intel and hire the Blue Man Group to do a dozen ad spots. I don't care what they do but anything is better than a comic and these characters only fanatics can love.

I'm thinking more and more so that AMD deserves what they got coming to them. That corporation has been in an abysmal state since 2006. It seems they'll never learn.
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And this is why AMD is struggling to keep their head above water. Seriously, wasting resources on advertising that less than 2% of their clients even care about. AMD needs to observe Intel's and IBM's marketing strategy and learn from it. Better yet, they should fire their entire marketing staff and snipe a few industry experts. Hell, pull an Intel and hire the Blue Man Group to do a dozen ad spots. I don't care what they do but anything is better than a comic and these characters only fanatics can love.

I'm thinking more and more so that AMD deserves what they got coming to them. That corporation has been in an abysmal state since 2006. It seems they'll never learn.
they should get one from Apple. Apples marketing group is really talented. they sell so myh crap with so much hype, its almost unbelievable! no im not being sarcastic.
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I dislike the news but i like the idea of a quad core CPU with a standard clock speed of 4.20ghz (although the 100mhz boost to 4.3ghz is not very impressive), the fx-4170 is of very little interest to me but it will sound great for marketing purposes when it comes to retail.
could/would be very useful for marketing spin.

Probally is performance per clock low, i prefer lower stock clock speed with high performance per clock ratio
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Probally is performance per clock low, i prefer lower stock clock speed with high performance per clock ratio
But for general users they just think more numbers are better like a 2gb bottom end graphics card and with marketing spin they can pretty much lie about things but misrepresenting the numbers is pretty easy for them, the same goes for 8 core bulldozer vs 4 core sandy bridge, marketing spin could easily be used there and uneducated buyers will easily fall for that.

I'm not saying the performance would be good i'm just saying that it can be a good thing for AMD in retail and marketing spin.
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for those who are getting sick of the constant waiting, delays and bad news....


Its still not too late to repent and get yourself over to intel camp and run with a 2*00k for BF3!!!
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But for general users they just think more numbers are better like a 2gb bottom end graphics card and with marketing spin they can pretty much lie about things but misrepresenting the numbers is pretty easy for them, the same goes for 8 core bulldozer vs 4 core sandy bridge, marketing spin could easily be used there and uneducated buyers will easily fall for that.

I'm not saying the performance would be good i'm just saying that it can be a good thing for AMD in retail and marketing spin.
Yeah i know but for the people who have knowlegde about pc stuff won't buy it
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If they do launch their top model on september 17th like an earlier post suggested I'm happy, even if retail is delayed. I just want to see some friggin benchmarks so I can make a decision if Bulldozer is worth it at all.

The FX-8100 looks to me like it hits the sweet spot as it has all the bells & whistles with a reasonable TDP of 95W

But if it's a total bust (like most of us here fear) The 22nm Ivy Bridge is only a couple of months (every one of em will feel like a year) away...
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Old Sep 7, 2011, 12:49 PM   #36
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He has been on a fair bit lately, but if he doesn't respond to this then its true i guess. Not that it worries me lol
Since he already responded to it in the Bulldozer information thread last night, I wouldn't expect him to make an appearance in this one.

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Other sources say 22nm Ivy Bridge will be seriously delayed, up to Q32012
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I will go 2600K im tired of waiting bah
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Didn't JF say AMD wouldn't be releasing any info about launch dates?


Whilst it may be true there is a delay, I call BS on this one guys.

It's just FUD til it has a reliable source.


X-bit doesn't even list a source!? How can this be news : /
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Old Sep 7, 2011, 12:59 PM   #41
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I will go 2600K im tired of waiting bah
Yep, that's what I say. If you're tired of waiting and being disappointed by AMD just go with the 2600K. I >wouldn't< buy a "tide me over CPU" from AMD and reward them.
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Old Sep 7, 2011, 01:02 PM   #42
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I'll quote JF from the other BD post:

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Yes, one date is right. But that means that 4,374,658,823 posts stating that they know the date have to be wrong.

Based on that, you are best off to not believe any of the "I have it on good information" threads. After all, how many people said it was today? People are getting too caught up in the speculation and can't tell truth from fact at this point.
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Um the server CPUs launch today. The server launching first has always been the plan afaik. They have never even confirmed a date except Q4 2011 so why is this a surprise? Its not even a delay. Just a delay on a speculated date that AMD never confirmed.

Also WTF are you people running that you need an FX chip so badly for? YOU ALL cant be compressing terabytes of videos and doing 3D animation.

As for the Intel fan boys you need to get laid. You're embarrassing yourselves now.
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I have a E6600 Wolfdale im already in the darkside :P I just wanted to see some results of Bulldozer and decide what to buy, I can get a 2600K for 200-220 euros i think its cheap and if i overclock it to 4 ghz with the multipler that will rock
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Also WTF are you people running that you need an FX chip so badly for? YOU ALL cant be compressing terabytes of videos and doing 3D animation.


I like seeing lots of dynamic graphs in task manager man
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Also WTF are you people running that you need an FX chip so badly for?

It's not that i badly need an Fx Bulldozer, i just need to know whether to wait any longer...

I need a new PC, i currently run a AM2+ Mobo with a Phenom II 550 @3.8Ghz....(wont unlock to a tri or Quad core) and its really starting to struggle now, Bad Company 2 is pretty terrible with only 2 cores, and BF3, which is the only game i want this year, will just bring it to its knees completely.

So which ever way i go, 2500k or FX 6 core ( which is the bulldozer CPU im interested in) i will need a new Mobo and new DDR3 Ram...so not being a fan boy either way on this upgrade, i will get whichever is best for the money.

I could go and order an Intel setup right now, but i will have that nagging doubt about whether i should have waited to first see BD benchmarks.

Its just this constant waiting that is so frustrating...

The most imporatnt thing for me though is clock for clock, core for core performance, i use alot of emulators which only really benefit from 2 fast CPU cores..so if BD cant match the 2500K in this respect, then Intel it will be.
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@Hustler: You could get quad Phenom or Athlon, they're all pretty cheap.
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@Hustler: You could get quad Phenom or Athlon, they're all pretty cheap.
Phenom II's just arent fast enough, clock for clock, for emulation purposes....a Phenom II would need to run at over 6Ghz to match the performance of a 2500k running @4.5Ghz!!!!..

Thats why i want to know if Bulldozer brings core for core, clock for clock performance levels upto to Sandybridge levels..
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Phenom II's just arent fast enough, clock for clock, for emulation purposes....a Phenom II would need to run at over 6Ghz to match the performance of a 2500k running @4.5Ghz!!!!..

Thats why i want to know if Bulldozer brings core for core, clock for clock performance levels upto to Sandybridge levels..
Emulation purposes? WTF are you emulating? Weather patterns on Jupiter?
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