Windows 8 faster boot: cold boot / hibernate combo

[qubit]

Microsoft has commenced a series of blog posts on the fundamentals of its upcoming Windows 8 OS - beginning with the attention it's paying to delivering faster boot times.

The new solution to reducing boot times, represents a fusion of the traditional cold boot process, and resuming from hibernate. Currently, in a traditional shutdown, all user sessions and kernel sessions (services, devices e.t.c) are closed, resulting in a complete shutdown. With Windows 8, whilst all user sessions will be closed, the kernel session will be hibernated - and upon system boot - Microsoft claims that this will deliver an improvement of between 30 and 70 per cent in boot times.



Hibernating the kernel session lends a hand to ensuring that the system is doing less work than during a full system boot, and multi-phase resume capability means that all CPU cores - in a multi-core system - will work in parallel to read and decompress the contents of the hibernation file.



Users will still have the opportunity to revert back to a traditional shutdown/boot process, should they choose, and whilst we're told that the benefits of the initiative will be enjoyed by HDD-based systems, the company calls the experience with faster SSDs, 'downright amazing'.

Sounds interesting and I look forward to it.

HEXUS

[Frick]

My system with a pretty old sata HDD (7200 RPM) takes about 1m 20s to web. When I shut it down that is, I usually use hibernate.

So it's not really an issue for me.

[qubit]

Yeah, that is quick and it did occur to me. Tell you what, if you think that's quick, you should try Suspend mode. Dangerous, but leaves any other boot in the dust! (Just don't use it on a laptop on batteries. )

[Bundy]

Interesting. I wonder if they are signaling an end to mechanical HDD support for OS. Defrags and system images need shut downs to work. Solid drives don't need the defrags so don't need the shut downs. Good move IMO.

[FreedomEclipse]

So, correct me if im wrong....


SSD+W8(boot time) =


Riiiiiggggght?

[Drone]

Never cared about boot time, frankly. PC runs 24/7 anyway. It doesn't matter to me does it take a minute or a second to boot. As long as system is stable and works I'm fine with it.

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by Drone

Never cared about boot time, frankly.

Frankly, I said the samething too until i replaced my boot drive with an SSD.

cold boot to desktop in about 10seconds.

Ive gotten so used to it, working on anything slower (especially my laptop with a 7200rpm WD scorpio black) just makes me cringe.

trust me, its a life changer

[Red_Machine]

Try this with a top-of-the-line OCZ Revo PCIe SSD, it'll be like dividing by zero.

[bostonbuddy]

windows 7 w/ a ssd is already pretty dang fast, from hibernation its pretty much instant, cold boot is maybe 20s.

[cheesy999]

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

Frankly, I said the samething too until i replaced my boot drive with an SSD.

cold boot to desktop in about 10seconds.

Ive gotten so used to it, working on anything slower (especially my laptop with a 7200rpm WD scorpio black) just makes me cringe.

trust me, its a life changer

10sec?

it takes about 7 seconds on mine before the bios has finished

still, i can boot in about 50 seconds from pressing the button to google chrome being opened which isn't bad for a mechanical HDD + Windows Vista

[t_ski]

This is the video I saw last week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcH8n...layer_embedded

IIRC, it was about 8 secs from power button to the desktop, including POST.

[Drone]

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

Frankly, I said the samething too until i replaced my boot drive with an SSD.

cold boot to desktop in about 10seconds.

Ive gotten so used to it, working on anything slower (especially my laptop with a 7200rpm WD scorpio black) just makes me cringe.

trust me, its a life changer

I dunno. Clean (XP/7) system would also boot less than a minute. Just add all that crapware and antivirus and all those myths about fast boot will evaporate. It's Microsoft Windows afterall ...

[trickson]

Hey windows 7 was my idea what is with this windows 8 crap ?!

[Frick]

Originally Posted by Drone

I dunno. Clean (XP/7) system would also boot less than a minute. Just add all that crapware and antivirus and all those myths about fast boot will evaporate. It's Microsoft Windows afterall ...

So.. It's Microsofts fault you're installing a lot of autostarting programs?

[n-ster]

Personally, I disable most of the autostarting programs and enable them when I need them (ie: print spooler)

[Derek12]

Originally Posted by Drone

I dunno. Clean (XP/7) system would also boot less than a minute. Just add all that crapware and antivirus and all those myths about fast boot will evaporate. It's Microsoft Windows afterall ...

If you defrag and clean all the garbage, boot times improve a lot.

Anyway I use hibernate most of the time.

[Drone]

Originally Posted by Frick

So.. It's Microsofts fault you're installing a lot of autostarting programs?

I don't so your assumption is wrong. And second, I don't think other OSs even with loaded programs are slower than windows, and third I didn't say it's their fault.

Originally Posted by Derek12

If you defrag and clean all the garbage, boot times improve a lot.

I wasn't talking bout fragmentation (it's inevitable anyway, it just happens sooner or later). I just said that why there's garbage in the first place. I wouldn't say that nix'es are cluttered.

[eidairaman1]

the more ram a machine has the less strain, but use services.msc with blackviper.com to disable uneeded services

[Derek12]

Originally Posted by Drone

I
I wasn't talking bout fragmentation (it's inevitable anyway, it just happens sooner or later). I just said that why there's garbage in the first place. I wouldn't say that nix'es are cluttered.

When you install programs = fragmentation & garbage = slow boot and responsiveness.

garbage=temp files used during software installation or update procedures that in most cases they aren't removed, mostly.

That's why it's neccessary to defrag (Mydefrag) and clean regularly (CCleaner), in my case it improved noticeabily boot times and performance in general after installing all the software & the Windows updates. Alo taking care to remove non-essential boot programs as commented before.

What do mean "nix'es"?

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by Derek12

When you install programs = fragmentation & garbage = slow boot and responsiveness.

That's why it's neccessary to defrag and clean regularly, in my case it improved noticeabily boot times and performance in general.

other big notion, keeping the machine patched and updated as of OS n other software (drivers not so much a big concern)

[Drone]

Originally Posted by Derek12

That's why it's neccessary to defrag (Mydefrag) and clean regularly (CCleaner)

Nobody doubts it however the efficiency of all those cleaners is debatable

What do mean "nix'es"?

unix, linux

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by Drone

Nobody doubts it however the efficiency of all those cleaners is debatable

unix, linux

Careful of Crap Cleaner, n then careful of 3rd party defrag programs, they not anybetter than Windows built in stuff

[Drone]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

Careful of Crap Cleaner, n then careful of 3rd party defrag programs, they not anybetter than Windows built in stuff

That's right. They won't clean all the crap plus they can delete something which they shouldn't.
The best thing is to delete restore points, turn off hibernate (if you don't use it), clean history, software distribution folder and so on. And leaving Prefetch alone is also a good idea.

[Derek12]

Originally Posted by Drone

Nobody doubts it however the efficiency of all those cleaners is debatable

unix, linux

Well true, but at leats they make anything in my case CCleaner cleaned 500 MB of temp files once

About Linux, more or less but in my case Ubuntu took a bit more time to boot after installing & updating software but it (well ext3) has a "bult-in" real time defrag if I inderstood well

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

Careful of Crap Cleaner, n then careful of 3rd party defrag programs, they not anybetter than Windows built in stuff

Well, if you configure them (CCleaner) properly thery shouldn't cause trouble, in my case they didn't made anything wrong, except once CC cleaned firefox profile but I think was my fault!

About Mydefrag, it is totally safe as it uses Windows API for defragging but with better algorithms

IMO windows defrag utility is so-so, the best of it is the multiple passes it does when defragging, about the disk cleaner, in my experience didn't clean but memory dumps and IE cache lol

Originally Posted by Drone

That's right. They won't clean all the crap plus they can delete something which they shouldn't.
The best thing is to delete restore points, turn off hibernate (if you don't use it), clean history, software distribution folder and so on. And leaving Prefetch alone is also a good idea.

Well they aren't 100% effective but I don't think they could delete something they shouldn't, at least CCleaner is extremely configurable and you can select what do you want to clean and what don't.
About the restore points, that's a good point, I always do that

Also I move the pagefile to another partition, and I don't know if with hiberfil is possible

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by Drone

That's right. They won't clean all the crap plus they can delete something which they shouldn't.
The best thing is to delete restore points, turn off hibernate (if you don't use it), clean history, software distribution folder and so on. And leaving Prefetch alone is also a good idea.

Paging file dont need tuning if you have tons of ram