ELSA Unveils Compact GeForce GTX 560 Ti Graphics Card

btarunr · Sep 30, 2011, 06:43 PM

As the market for compact PCs grows, so will the push to make them faster. In space-congested mini-ITX form-factor cases, you're more likely to face a crunch with the length of addon-cards the case can accommodate, than its height (whether it's low-profile or full-height). To address this, Japansese graphics card manufacturer ELSA unveiled its latest GeForce GTX 560 Ti based graphics card, which uses a much shorter PCB (lengthwise).

Called the ELSA Gladiac GTX 560 Ti Mini, the card provides a reasonably powerful GPU that's game for 1080p gaming, in a compact form-factor. The PCB's length is 59 mm less than that of NVIDIA reference PCB. It uses a heat-pipe fed fan-heatsink assembly that uses a 80 mm fan to ventilate a dense aluminum fin array. The card uses clock speeds of 822 MHz, 1644 MHz, and 4008 MHz (core/CUDA cores/memory effective). It features 1 GB of GDDR5 memory over a 256-bit wide memory interface. It can pair with any other GTX 560 Ti card in 2-way SLI configuration. It will make its way to markets next week.

Source: TechConnect Magazine

Rowsol · Sep 30, 2011, 06:45 PM

Not bad.

NC37 · Sep 30, 2011, 06:57 PM

This makes me want to build a small PC.

Jizzler · Sep 30, 2011, 07:08 PM

Nice. If anyone was wondering, that should bring it down to 170mm - the same as an ITX board - so no overhang at all.

Cases like the Lian-Li Q08 won't need to sacrifice HDD bays with this card.

Shihabyooo · Sep 30, 2011, 07:22 PM

Did they sacrifice some of the VRMs or what to shorten the PCB ?

Completely Bonkers · Sep 30, 2011, 07:22 PM

Nice.

But I would really like to start seeing new GPU's with thunderbolt outputs. A great way to "recycle" those PCIex16 lanes when not being used by graphics...

NdMk2o1o · Sep 30, 2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Completely Bonkers

Nice.

But I would really like to start seeing new GPU's with thunderbolt outputs. A great way to "recycle" those PCIex16 lanes when not being used by graphics...

Trouble is there is nothing that supports thunderbolt as it is and I imagine as it's a pretty new standard it would drive the cost of the card up albeit not a huge amount but maybe enough for one to look at a 570 instead

HossHuge · Sep 30, 2011, 07:59 PM

ELSA was popular in Taiwan at one point but I no longer see their products. I had a 8600GT from them that ran hot.

RejZoR · Sep 30, 2011, 08:02 PM

Looks like ELSA is still around. I remember them from the GeForce 2 era... I thought they were gone...

Completely Bonkers · Sep 30, 2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NdMk2o1o

Trouble is there is nothing that supports thunderbolt as it is and I imagine as it's a pretty new standard it would drive the cost of the card up albeit not a huge amount but maybe enough for one to look at a 570 instead

It's catch 22. There won't be any thunderbolt products, if there are no interfaces on the PC to connect with!

Not sure what the costing would look like. A basic multiplexer chip plus a port. Probably no more expensive if the HDMI or one of the DVI ports was ditched. It would certainly help to differentiate a model or brand from the competition. I would buy the "thunderbolt 560 Ti" over a standard 560Ti.

Current thunderbolt products are just the Apple Display, LaCie External HDD, Promise Pegasus R4 RAID storage. But if Intel pushed thunderbolt onto the PC platform, I'm sure many many products would appear.

ShiBDiB · Sep 30, 2011, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Completely Bonkers

Nice.

But I would really like to start seeing new GPU's with thunderbolt outputs. A great way to "recycle" those PCIex16 lanes when not being used by graphics...

I see no need to pay for a thunderbolt markup when the average user gains nothing from using it.

Jegergrim · Sep 30, 2011, 09:23 PM

They must have cut short on something on the card to get it this small right? I mean else most other manufacturers could do this with the standard cards aswell, but do they even mention what they changed on it?

Kreij · Oct 1, 2011, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RejZoR

Looks like ELSA is still around. I remember them from the GeForce 2 era... I thought they were gone...

I did too. We had a few ELSA Quadro 2 and 3 cards at work in workstations and every one of them died a horrible death. The fans would suddenly sieze and the resulting overheating would take the card out almost immediately.

TRWOV · Oct 1, 2011, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jegergrim

They must have cut short on something on the card to get it this small right? I mean else most other manufacturers could do this with the standard cards aswell, but do they even mention what they changed on it?

There are some ways: they can make the PCB taller (doesn't seem the case), re-arrange the PCB with smaller components, also multilayer PCBs can be used. Usually for a product like this a combination of the mentioned methods is needed. Of course, this version would come with a price premium.

ColdRush · Oct 1, 2011, 01:11 AM

I hope these cards make it into the US, I would sell my normal 560 ti in a heartbeat. The only thing restricting me from using my H50 in my Sugo is the length of the card.

[H]@RD5TUFF · Oct 1, 2011, 09:09 PM

Will it be be coming to US markets ?

wahdangun · Oct 2, 2011, 02:11 AM

hmm a card that STILL require TWO slot and have a FULL height is NOT compact at all.

this should be the definition of compact :

[H]@RD5TUFF · Oct 2, 2011, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wahdangun

hmm a card that STILL require TWO slot and have a FULL height is NOT compact at all.

this should be the definition of compact :

http://i.imgur.com/f0YZk.jpg

http://techiser.com/wp-content/uploa...le-614x460.jpg

Some like their drivers to work propperly so they go with nvidia.

ktr · Oct 2, 2011, 05:04 PM

http://www.techpowerup.com/151903/Cl...n-Edition.html

Also Palit's 560ti are pretty compact.

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