Starcraft II Clubhouse

[JC316]

Originally Posted by ShiBDiB

Good econ generally means your lacking in spending.. Or your spending too much on drones/scv's/probes.. if your not poor then your not macro building enough

Yeah, he is lacking in production facilities. In one match, we were both terran, I got cannon cheesed, so I flew out and went to a different expo. Still had a higher army value than his and we were going to same units. He also had the high yield expo.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by ShiBDiB

Good econ generally means your lacking in spending.. Or your spending too much on drones/scv's/probes.. if your not poor then your not macro building enough

its not like i have resources left over, either i'm spending them in the wrong places somehow, or i'm sucking at micro and losing units when i should be massing.

[Fourstaff]

Send in the replays and we will try to take a look

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Send in the replays and we will try to take a look

or just come play with me and JC on NA, we're on there every day

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Mussels

or just come play with me and JC on NA, we're on there every day

I don't have an NA account T.T

Rent is too high to afford NA account

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

I don't have an NA account T.T

Rent is too high to afford NA account

well if you get SEA instead... :P

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Mussels

well if you get SEA instead... :P

That was what I am planning to do eventually, but right now its not an option.

[bostonbuddy]

Whats everyone think of the heart of the storm changes.
Seems like zerg is getting the buff they've needed altho sounds like it may be too much of a buff.
Burrowed banelings and ultralisks getting into your base is gonna make detectors a real priority. No more mass thors, no more carriers and motherships.

[mlee49]

We'll see, decent new units and casts. It'll be a buy for sure from me.


Anyone interested go watch iNControl's stream on the Korean ladder. Great 90's music with metal mixed in. Also he's Plat in Korea which might as well be GM in US:

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/iNcontroL

[Hybrid_theory]

Originally Posted by bostonbuddy

Whats everyone think of the heart of the storm changes.
Seems like zerg is getting the buff they've needed altho sounds like it may be too much of a buff.
Burrowed banelings and ultralisks getting into your base is gonna make detectors a real priority. No more mass thors, no more carriers and motherships.

No more mass thors? didnt hear about this.

Protoss seem to have better air units.woo

GSL final just started. tune in on blizzcon stream.

[Mussels]

so what are these changes, not everyone has beta access

[Hybrid_theory]

Originally Posted by Mussels

so what are these changes, not everyone has beta access

Its been shown in blizzcon.

Zerg units:
http://i.imgur.com/u0T5R.jpg

terran and toss units:
http://imgur.com/uAvmT,qZR1c

Carriers and mothership are gone from toss, dont know whats been replaced in other races.

[bostonbuddy]

Originally Posted by Mussels

so what are these changes, not everyone has beta access

http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1210400p1.html

[JC316]

Jesus.... Did blizzard jam their head up their ass on purpose, or did they slip on a banana peel and it went up there on accident?

So, essentially a terran can COMPLETELY shut down speedling base harass with the shredder. The thor went from being awesome to worthless. The zerg pulled a Left 4 dead with a smoker that can pull a loloussi off a cliff, even though it's essentially a walking building with lasers. Oh and now banelings can move underground, like they weren't annoying enough.

[bostonbuddy]

I've got my marine ball ready lets *banelings unburrow*.....I'll be a while

[JC316]

So yeah, I have examined the videos fairly well and I have come to a conclusion, they definitely shoved their head up there on purpose. From the reaction of the crowd, their new stuff didn't go over very well.

It seems like they have completely overpowered the zerg. I love the underground light speed charge of the ultralisk, I mean it makes total sense that a creature 5 times bigger than an elephant should be able to do 90mph underground right into a battle. The cloud that reduces the range of everything in it to 1 is going to be abused to hell and back. It completely destroys the ability to use tanks on a choke point. You can ask any terran player, the terrans best strength is to turtle in and build a force because you can't instantly re-macro an army, so that cloud completely destroys the best strength.

The pull ability is the one that I am most annoyed by for one reason, it can pull massive units which is total bullshit. Fine on pulling stuff like immortals or tanks or infestors, but it should NOT be able to pull a massive unit like a Colossus. Speaking of massive units, the terrans have none now thanks to the thor numbers being reduced to 1.

The hellion transformation is going to be the single most unused item in the game. Hellions are cheap and fast, that is the whole point, no one is going to give two craps about transforming them. The shredder is also going to be abused to shit. I can just see a whole line of them across the map, for zerg it's going to be a bitch and a half.

Now on to protoss.... Ok, fine, the mothership and carriers probably aren't going to be missed. The oracle is going to be one annoying son of a bitch to deal with since it can just force field your static defenses and entomb your minerals. I can see it now, two oracles and 4 phoenix. Oracle blocks a missile turret and the phoenix shred your SCV's. On top of that, the oracle will just stay in the back of your mineral line, out of reach from ground forces and constantly stop your mining.

Heart of the swarm = everyone playing zerg because the other races now suck. Toss might be able to counter, but terran is completely and totally screwed.

[Fourstaff]

I am not going to say anything about the new units until I get to play around with them, without balancing them they can be completely broken or the next mothership. That said, I am tempted to switch to Protoss, Tempest looks quite cool.

[JC316]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

I am not going to say anything about the new units until I get to play around with them, without balancing them they can be completely broken or the next mothership. That said, I am tempted to switch to Protoss, Tempest looks quite cool.

I tend to agree, it's early and they still have time for balancing. I also agree about the tempest, that sucker looks cool as hell. I wonder if it can transform into a worker and then build enemy structures....

[bostonbuddy]

thats the replicant.
tempest is the new big ass toss ship

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by JC316

Jesus.... Did blizzard jam their head up their ass on purpose, or did they slip on a banana peel and it went up there on accident?

So, essentially a terran can COMPLETELY shut down speedling base harass with the shredder. The thor went from being awesome to worthless. The zerg pulled a Left 4 dead with a smoker that can pull a loloussi off a cliff, even though it's essentially a walking building with lasers. Oh and now banelings can move underground, like they weren't annoying enough.

pvt caboose is fucked now, banelings are even more OP against him.

[techtard]

I'm not a good enough player to comment on any changes. As long as I don't lose every single match I will be ok.

Don't like how the new StarCraft team seems hellbent on destroying the original Starcraft and Brood War.

I wonder how retarded the story will be during the campaign mode. I doubt they can butcher the lore any further, they already went full retard in Wings of Liberty.

[bostonbuddy]

Originally Posted by techtard

I'm not a good enough player to comment on any changes. As long as I don't lose every single match I will be ok.

Don't like how the new StarCraft team seems hellbent on destroying the original Starcraft and Brood War.

I wonder how retarded the story will be during the campaign mode. I doubt they can butcher the lore any further, they already went full retard in Wings of Liberty.

I disagree, I think starcraft II is what a game sequel should be. Compare that to halo reach which butchered the classic halo gameplay or cod 4.4 where nothing has changed. SCII gives you something new while keeping the spirit of the original

[Volkszorn88]

Anyone up for a 1v1? On either the NA or EU servers.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by Volkszorn88

Anyone up for a 1v1? On either the NA or EU servers.

i would, but i think the offer has expired by now

[techtard]

Originally Posted by bostonbuddy

I disagree, I think starcraft II is what a game sequel should be. Compare that to halo reach which butchered the classic halo gameplay or cod 4.4 where nothing has changed. SCII gives you something new while keeping the spirit of the original

Sure, the multipayer game is fun as hell. But the story got butchered. It's like the new devs are pants on head retarded the way they fooked up the plot.