Can i run my old X58 RAM in a X79?

[Wumpus]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

WHoa, partner!


The fact new kits are coming out, should tell you something!!!

I recommend using X79-approved ram only, and suggest 1.5v ram.

Thing is votlage may be the same, but you cannot know if CURRENT draw will be the same. With higher bandwidth on the same frequency, you can basically guarantee that the current pulled by those sticks will be higher than on X58. I cannot say that older ram will be fine, but as I work on my X79 reviews, you can bet I will be asking OEMs what they think.


Ram is so cheap now, if you are buying into X79, and cannot afford new ram, I suggest you re-evaluate your priorities.

LOL you sire are VERY misinformed...

Higher bandwidth is from the faster architecture of the memory controller...and does not make the ram draw any more current than it could from any other DDR3 DIMM in any other motherboard. It has absolutely nothing to do with the memory bandwidth.

please google things before you post them if you are not sure.

[cadaveca]

LuLz.

The memory controller is NOT faster. It's got twice the channels. Quite a few boards even have independant voltage controls for each bank of DIMMs.

The efficiency of X79 is no different than SandyBridge. But, if we are talking about first-gen i5/i7 chips then yes, current draw can be higher. you don't magically get more bandwidth out fo the same product without increasing power consumption in some way, and the gen two i5/i7's offer nearly double the bandwidth. I didn't say the current draw is higher by double, but overall there is an increased load placed on the DIMMs which can affect stability at rated speeds.

Originally Posted by Wumpus

please google things before you post them if you are not sure.

Um..yeah. Google? I tend to ask OEMs directly when I don't have an answer to a question. If an OEM doesn't certify any product for a certain platform, you take your chances.

[Wumpus]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

LuLz.

The memory controller is NOT faster. It's got twice the channels. Quite a few boards even have independant voltage controls for each bank of DIMMs.

What does that have to do with current draw of the memory.....????

and that is incorrect by the way.

The efficiency of X79 is no different than SandyBridge. But, if we are talking about first-gen i5/i7 chips then yes, current draw can be higher. you don't magically get more bandwidth out fo the same product without increasing power consumption in some way, and the gen two i5/i7's offer nearly double the bandwidth.

first off, NO you dont need to have a higher current draw for more performance. Great example is BD....high current draw and slow performance. Performance has NOTHING to do with power draw in a relationship that you described. Intel simply made the IMC more EFFICIENT, which means it is faster, and doesn't necessarily draw more current. If anything, the cpu memory controller will draw more current, not the memory. The IC's in the memory sticks can only draw so much power....and they dont change when you swap platforms. Only the CPU and mobo do.


I didn't say the current draw is higher by double, but overal lthere is an increased load placed on the DIMMs which can affect stability at rated speeds.

I dont see how 100% load on the memory in an X58 board is any different than 100% on the memory in an X79 board...please explain this thought of yours.

Um..yeah. Google? I tend to ask OEMs directly when I don't have an answer to a question.

you should have asked more questoins because your post did not make a whole lot of sense.

answers in bold

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Wumpus

and that is incorrect by the way.

Um, you do understand I do board reviews for TPU, right? I can provide more BIOS shots to prove my point, if you like.

[Wumpus]

YES it has twice the channels of sandy bridge.

YES it is faster by a LONG ways than first gen i5/i7 CPU's

[AthlonX2]

like it matters if you do board reviews for tpu,it doesnt make you any smarter than the next person..you really should quit talking yourself up when your not really that great

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Wumpus

YES it has twice the channels of sandy bridge.

YES it is faster by a LONG ways than first gen i5/i7 CPU's

YES, there is independant voltage control per bank, and

YES, there are individual current settings per channel even.


And finally.

Yes, and load in increased, power consumption increases? Are you going to try to tell me that DIMMs get hot under load for no reason?

Originally Posted by AthlonX2

like it matters if you do board reviews for tpu,it doesnt make you any smarter than the next person..you really should quit talking yourself up when your not really that great

Thanks for the feedback. You're more than welcome to take my position if you can do a better job.

[Wumpus]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

YES, there is independant votlage control per bank, and

Yes, there are individual current settings per channel even.


And finally.

Yes, and load in increased, power consumption increases? Are you going to try to tell me that DIMMs get hot under load for no reason?

I am telling you that a triple channel kit from X58 will NOT draw any more current on X79 than it did on X58.

Like wise, i am also saying the opposite. Memory IC's only draw so much power, no matter the platform.

[AthlonX2]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

YES, there is independant voltage control per bank, and

YES, there are individual current settings per channel even.


And finally.

Yes, and load in increased, power consumption increases? Are you going to try to tell me that DIMMs get hot under load for no reason?



Thanks for the feedback. You're more than welcome to take my position if you can do a better job.

thanks for the offer dave but i would prefer to get paid for my work

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Wumpus

Memory IC's only draw so much power, no matter the platform.

Yes, but that is dependant on the load they are under.

Originally Posted by AthlonX2

thanks for the offer dave but i would prefer to get paid for my work

I was offered pay and turned it down, so I can always claim I won't be bought. If you're not good enough to get pay from TPU, then that's something else.

[AthlonX2]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

I was offered pay and turned it down, so I can always claim I won't be bought. If you're not good enough to get pay from TPU, then that's something else.

So since your tpu's elite motherboard reviewer,are you going to CES next year?

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by AthlonX2

So since your tpu's elite motherboard reviewer,are you going to CES next year?

Nope. I don't have time for that. Being elite and all.

[AthlonX2]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Nope. I don't have time for that. Being elite and all.

Dont have time or not allowed in the states? All the elite people will be there

[Live OR Die]

Well im going to get some new ram they just got the G.Skill Ripjaws Z in stock not sure what to get though any ideas?

A.
G.Skill Ripjaws Z F3-17000CL9Q-16GBZH (4x4GB) DDR3
Quad Channel Memory Designed For Intel X79 platform. Intel XMP 1.3 Ready. DDR3-2133 PC3 17000, 16GB (4x 4GB), 9-11-10-28-2N, 1.65V, 240pin, unbuffered, Non ECC, 42mm height, lifetime warranty.
$219.00


B.
G.Skill Ripjaws Z F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL (4x4GB) DDR3
Quad Channel Memory Designed For Intel X79 platform. Intel XMP 1.3 Ready. DDR3-2133 PC3 17000, 16GB (4x 4GB), 11-11-11-30-2N, 1.6V, 240pin, unbuffered, Non ECC, 42mm height, lifetime warranty.
$209.00

[AthlonX2]

your ram will work,just have an extra sticks.

[Wumpus]

use old ram, and have a good day.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by AthlonX2

Dont have time or not allowed in the states? All the elite people will be there

The position of being an independant reviewer is more valuable for me. Why a reviewer would want to cover news from a trade show...I'm not sure. That's for the news staff, IMHO. I'll get the stuff to play with eventually anyway...rather than the tease.

Originally Posted by Live OR Die

Well im going to get some new ram they just got the G.Skill Ripjaws Z in stock not sure what to get though any ideas?

A.
G.Skill Ripjaws Z F3-17000CL9Q-16GBZH (4x4GB) DDR3
Quad Channel Memory Designed For Intel X79 platform. Intel XMP 1.3 Ready. DDR3-2133 PC3 17000, 16GB (4x 4GB), 9-11-10-28-2N, 1.65V, 240pin, unbuffered, Non ECC, 42mm height, lifetime warranty.
$219.00


B.
G.Skill Ripjaws Z F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL (4x4GB) DDR3
Quad Channel Memory Designed For Intel X79 platform. Intel XMP 1.3 Ready. DDR3-2133 PC3 17000, 16GB (4x 4GB), 11-11-11-30-2N, 1.6V, 240pin, unbuffered, Non ECC, 42mm height, lifetime warranty.
$209.00

I have the first set. When retail CPUs are available locally, I'll be posting a review. Personally, I'd rather have the lower voltage set. Timings won't make that large of a difference in daily usage.

[Live OR Die]

lol i went for the top set >_< but i guess u can always run the top set at the same timing as the 2nd set right?

[AthlonX2]

Funny our elite motherboard reviewer is sold on marketing hype. just because memory isnt tested on a specific platform doesnt mean its not going to work.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Live OR Die

lol i went for the top set >_< but i guess u can always run the top set at the same timing as the 2nd set right?

Sure, but I'm not sure they'll work at the same voltage yet. They could even be an entirely different IC, pretty sure there's 3 possibilities right now. I know what ones my kit has.

Originally Posted by AthlonX2

Funny our elite motherboard reviewer is sold on marketing hype. just because memory isnt tested on a specific platform doesnt mean its not going to work.

I didn't say that...I just simply said there is a chance they won't. It's only $200 bucks, what's the big deal? When you're spending $1000 already for a good board and CPU...

I mean really...$200 for 16GB of 2133...that's guaranteed to work. Try to RMA memory that doesn't work, for whatever reason...OEMs can simply answer that it wasn't intended for that platform, and you're SOL.

[AthlonX2]

Theres always a chance that memory isnt going to work even if it is certified to work with a platform,ive had mushkins that were made for X58 not work at all but worked fine on a p55

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by AthlonX2

Theres always a chance that memory isnt going to work even if it is certified to work with a platform,ive had mushkins that were made for X58 not work at all but worked fine on a p55

Well that's just it. Small price to pay, when the cost is high to begin with. The warranty for the operation for the platform is worth the cost, IMHO.

[Wumpus]

his point is that if it works, why buy more stuff that you arent sure works?

[kid41212003]

i sell my body parts for this, so $200 matters a lot.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Wumpus

his point is that if it works, why buy more stuff that you arent sure works?

What's he gonna do, buy one stick? OR lose 1/3rd the memory performance? He's gotta buy something.

Originally Posted by kid41212003

i sell my body parts for this, so $200 matters a lot.

Perhaps P67/Z68 is for you then. Socket 2011 is overkill for the average user.