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Old Dec 1, 2011, 11:26 AM   #26
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No, as I've said only a couple of posts ago:
Sorry I missed that somehow... maybe too eager to tease

I am in the same situation as you are but I decided to wait... but its too hard..... Let us know what you decided as you final PC setup.....
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Old Dec 1, 2011, 11:34 AM   #27
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Sorry I missed that somehow... maybe too eager to tease

I am in the same situation as you are but I decided to wait... but its too hard..... Let us know what you decided as you final PC setup.....
No sweat, it sounds like you a have a sense of humour. As you know, I'm perfect and never miss anything.

I've actually got a thread about my new build here. I've got two candidate mobos in mind and I'll be posting about them once I have researched their respective websites and reviews a bit more.
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Old Dec 1, 2011, 11:45 AM   #28
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No sweat, it sounds like you a have a sense of humour. As you know, I'm perfect and never miss anything.

I've actually got a thread about my new build here. I've got two candidate mobos in mind and I'll be posting about them once I have researched their respective websites and reviews a bit more.
Yes I know I made a 'lengthy' recommendation in that thread based on my own research (based on the Greek market prices) and got into an argument with John Doe who was.... a bit stubborn....
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Yes I know I made a 'lengthy' recommendation in that thread based on my own research (based on the Greek market prices) and got into an argument with John Doe who was.... a bit stubborn....
And now it's my bad for missing it. lol

Thanks and I'll read it later, when I post about my two candidate mobos.
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This confirms my plan of keeping my E8600 for another year, then going nuts with an IB system sometime in 2012 when motherboards have matured.
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Yup, I'll be buying week 1, as long as prices are reasonable like SB.
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Are these the Ivy Bridge chips the 1155 socket variety?
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Will ivy have a six core? Debating hard between SB-e and Ivy....coming from 1156. And while 2011 is a beast don't feel its refined enough yet
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Are these the Ivy Bridge chips the 1155 socket variety?
Yes, afaik they only fit into 1155 boards, but don't quote me.

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Will ivy have a six core? Debating hard between SB-e and Ivy....coming from 1156. And while 2011 is a beast don't feel its refined enough yet
I doubt it. That's the point of SB-E and LGA2011, to feed six or eight bandwidth-hungry cores. I'll bet money that in time, we will see an "Ivy Bridge Extreme" or IB-E that fits into LGA2011.
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Well if this is real and it can seat itself in the 1155 socket than all I can say is that Intel is making progress for the common mortal enthusiasts! Well, we are not all Richie Rich! 600$ for a CPU and 300$ for MB is not acceptable to me!
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In my opinion this is one of the most interesting architectural changes on Ivy Bridge
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Some structures within the chip are now better optimized for single threaded execution. Hyper Threading requires a bunch of partitioning of internal structures (e.g. buffers/queues) to allow instructions from multiple threads to use those structures simultaneously. In Sandy Bridge, many of those structures are statically partitioned. If you have a buffer that can hold 20 entries, each thread gets up to 10 entries in the buffer. In the event of a single threaded workload, half of the buffer goes unused. Ivy Bridge reworks a number of these data structures to dynamically allocate resources to threads. Now if there's only a single thread active, these structures will dedicate all resources to servicing that thread.
Source : http://www.anandtech.com/show/4830/i...ture-exposed/2

So probably the single threaded performance boost is given by this change and I completely agree with this

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Meh... The entire second graph was entirely due to the better GPU, which most of us will never use.

And the first graph was only better because of higher turboboost frequencies.

I'll wait for some real reviews, but I'm guessing performance per clock won't be all that much higher than SB, if higher at all. But the chips will likely clock higher on air, which will be nice...
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Meh... The entire second graph was entirely due to the better GPU, which most of us will never use.

And the first graph was only better because of higher turboboost frequencies.

I'll wait for some real reviews, but I'm guessing performance per clock won't be all that much higher than SB, if higher at all. But the chips will likely clock higher on air, which will be nice...
I agree about waiting for independent reviews before judging it and deciding on your purchase. However, if you look at that Anand articke that radrok pointed to, you can see that Intel have indeed worked the core to make it more efficient, so I'd expect at least some improvement in IPC performance. I'll bet it overclocks like a banshee.
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Still I can't see a reason to wait if you need/want to upgrade unless you need a stronger IGP
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Still I can't see a reason to wait if you need/want to upgrade unless you need a stronger IGP
It depends on someone's personal requirements, really. If their system is mostly up to scratch and is only showing its age in a couple of areas, it may make sense to wait for the better processor. However, in my case, I'm running an E8500 (see specs) and got the 2700K (still need a mobo and RAM, lol) for top gaming performance, but I'm fine with the 2700K for now. Heck, there's nothing to stop me selling it and getting IB if I really want it.

Oh, my processor came in a dinky little blue box. Almost don't wanna open it.
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They should probably compare HD3000 with that HD4000, or maybe there's no actual difference.

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Geez! That's even faster than I expected! I might replace my 2600K once IB is released, Z68 will support it with a simple BIOS upgrade, do you guys have any idea if intel plans to release a new 1155 chipset to go along with IB?
The upgrade just won't be worth it. The only domain where IB would be faster would be graphics intensive apps, for which all of us would be using a dedicated card.

In General CPU applications, the performance difference would be close to 10%, which can easily be reached with a mild overclock. I'd rather spend that 200 grand on a newer Graphcs card, or an SSD, now that would be something.
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They should probably compare HD3000 with that HD4000, or maybe there's no actual difference.

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You might find the following TPU news article interesting: Super-High 4096 x 4096 Display From An IGP? The Upcoming Ivy Bridge Can Do It

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So it's 15% faster. The improved graphics is pointless to most that are shelling out the dough for these.
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It depends on someone's personal requirements, really. If their system is mostly up to scratch and is only showing its age in a couple of areas, it may make sense to wait for the better processor. However, in my case, I'm running an E8500 (see specs) and got the 2700K (still need a mobo and RAM, lol) for top gaming performance, but I'm fine with the 2700K for now. Heck, there's nothing to stop me selling it and getting IB if I really want it.

Oh, my processor came in a dinky little blue box. Almost don't wanna open it.
We are in a diametrical situation , I have my LGA2011 mobo and RAM but here in Italy i7 39xx processors are still on *not in stock*

I still think that if someone skips Sandy Bridge because they have a good but a tad old CPU should be better off skipping Ivy Bridge too as it isn't much more faster than SB, I know that the upgrade itch could be a major reason behind purchasing Ivy since skipping more than 1 tick tock cadence is hard to
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We are in a diametrical situation , I have my LGA2011 mobo and RAM but here in Italy i7 39xx processors are still on *not in stock*

I still think that if someone skips Sandy Bridge because they have a good but a tad old CPU should be better off skipping Ivy Bridge too as it isn't much more faster than SB, I know that the upgrade itch could be a major reason behind purchasing Ivy since skipping more than 1 tick tock cadence is hard to
Mobo but no CPU? I'll bet that's a headbanger! Any idea when you'll be able to get your paws on them?

And yeah, I've got upgrade itch all right. I can't wait to build my 2700K system and really start pushing those frames with the GTX 580.
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If the prices arnt to high and my motherboard supports it I am deffinitely going to be picking up an ivybridge k chip and a 7xxx in the spring/summer. :P
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Mobo but no CPU? I'll bet that's a headbanger! Any idea when you'll be able to get your paws on them?

And yeah, I've got upgrade itch all right. I can't wait to build my 2700K system and really start pushing those frames with the GTX 580.
As you already know games completely love Sandy Bridge IPC, can't wait for you to begin using the 2700K, really

On my side the shop still hasn't an ETA for the CPU arrival so I still have to blindly wait for it, can't really wait to see with my eyes the time improvements when rendering on Maya.
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We are in a diametrical situation , I have my LGA2011 mobo and RAM but here in Italy i7 39xx processors are still on *not in stock*

I still think that if someone skips Sandy Bridge because they have a good but a tad old CPU should be better off skipping Ivy Bridge too as it isn't much more faster than SB, I know that the upgrade itch could be a major reason behind purchasing Ivy since skipping more than 1 tick tock cadence is hard to
Man you're telling me. I love my 9550 but if microcenter still has some bangin deals come xmas I may jump on a z68 and 2600k. I want m0ar giggahurtzz!
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