January 9 Launch Date for AMD Radeon HD 7900 - Page 6

trickson · Dec 13, 2011, 03:44 AM

I wonder if AMD is giving up on CPU'S and focusing on Video cards . With the BD debacle and all kinda makes me wonder .

xenocide · Dec 13, 2011, 03:47 AM

John Doe--Your arguments are just silly. You're basically saying on unrelated products you have occasionally gotten better OC results on reference boards, ergo, all reference boards are superior. You then went on to give examples which proved your own argument wrong. Will you please just stop, I'm sick of reading you getting your ass kicked post after post.

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Originally Posted by trickson

I wonder if AMD is giving up on CPU'S and focusing on Video cards . With the BD debacle and all kinda makes me wonder .

That's the most asinine assumption on earth. BD was a let down, but mostly because of AMD's misleading marketting. The product itself is still functional, and in heavily threaded applications even good, it just wasn't nearly as good as everyone expected given the use of the FX brand name, and AMD's own internal slides.

Damn_Smooth · Dec 13, 2011, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xenocide

John Doe--Your arguments are just silly. You're basically saying on unrelated products you have occasionally gotten better OC results on reference boards, ergo, all reference boards are superior. You then went on to give examples which proved your own argument wrong. Will you please just stop, I'm sick of reading you getting your ass kicked post after post.

That's the most asinine assumption on earth. BD was a let down, but mostly because of AMD's misleading marketting. The product itself is still functional, and in heavily threaded applications even good, it just wasn't nearly as good as everyone expected given the use of the FX brand name, and AMD's own internal slides.

You mad?

trickson · Dec 13, 2011, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by xenocide

That's the most asinine assumption on earth. BD was a let down, but mostly because of AMD's misleading marketting. The product itself is still functional, and in heavily threaded applications even good, it just wasn't nearly as good as everyone expected given the use of the FX brand name, and AMD's own internal slides.

Asinine or not , There has even been talk from AMD stating they were not going to be giving as much attention to desktop CPU'S and going after the laptop market more aggressively . So really ? asinine ? Not from were I am standing it is not . Just look at there CPU market vs there GPU market . To me AMD has the best GPU on the market Hands down the best ! JMHO . So call me what you will the way I see things is just the way I see them . Sure BD is a good CPU but far from what EVERY one expected EVEN Intel expected much better !

trickson · Dec 13, 2011, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Damn_Smooth

You mad?

Sounds like it don't it ...

Say any thing bad about AMD and the FANBOYS get pissed off . I am just calling it as I see it is all . Good or bad it seems strange that they have the best of the best video cards I have ever seen . nVidia is having a hard time IMHO keeping up with AMD/ATI !

xenocide · Dec 13, 2011, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Damn_Smooth

You mad?

About what lol? I didn't wait 9 months for a subpar product and enjoyed my SB while people waited and claimed BD would just crush it anyway. Glad to see that worked out.

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Originally Posted by trickson

Asinine or not , There has even been talk from AMD stating they were not going to be giving as much attention to desktop CPU'S and going after the laptop market more aggressively . So really ? asinine ? Not from were I am standing it is not . Just look at there CPU market vs there GPU market . To me AMD has the best GPU on the market Hands down the best ! JMHO . So call me what you will the way I see things is just the way I see them . Sure BD is a good CPU but far from what EVERY one expected EVEN Intel expected much better !

AMD stated they were no longer going to try and compete head to head in the high-end desktop CPU market with Intel--an area they haven't been competative in since 2005-6 anyway. The belief is that AMD will continue to cater to the price\performance segment they have been for the past 2-3 years. They are also probably going to try and capitalize on the APU market they have found reasonable amounts of success with.

As for comparing what they've done with their CPU and GPU lines, you have to remember AMD took a chance, and it didn't really pay off. They are trying to push products that only really shine in heavily threaded applications, which in this day and age just aren't common. Any program that uses more than about 3 threads is probably Work Station oriented anyway, and Intel's high-end offerings with their superior per-thread performance crush AMD when it comes to said software.

I would also say although AMD has competative GPU's, they aren't necessarily the best. Nvidia still has a lot of market share, and continues to offer competative products in terms of price\performance. There's also the looming issue of chronic Driver-related problems with AMD\ATi cards. I love my HD5850, but updating drivers sucks something awful.

Damn_Smooth · Dec 13, 2011, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by xenocide

About what lol? I didn't wait 9 months for a subpar product and enjoyed my SB while people waited and claimed BD would just crush it anyway. Glad to see that worked out.

That worked out pretty good considering there's an Ivy upgrade coming not too long after these cards.

Rivage · Dec 13, 2011, 08:59 AM

i prefer videocard, but not radeon.

newtekie1 · Dec 13, 2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

Yes, it does. It provides accurate software voltage monitoring. Right at point and very stable regulation. It shows it's benefits under more extreme cases, so as to what degree it helps depends on your case. There haven't been extensive testing on it to show how much it adds to the reliability/stability of GPU. Though, more advanced VRM designs get lower ripple, which equates to cleaner power.

Again, you keep saying that, but it seems when set to the same voltage, the non-volterra card clocks better. So again, prove that the Volterra improves overclocking. You've shown an example of the non-Volterra solution overclocking better, now just reverse it and find a few examples of the Volterra getting better overclocks. It should be simple if what you say is really true.

Of course, it is kind of hard to argue over things like this when you admit yourself that you don't own the cards, and you seem to not even be able to know that when comparing samples, making sure they are at the same voltage is an important thing to do...

Wile E · Dec 14, 2011, 01:11 AM

I never cared what a pwm is made of, so long as it does it job properly. Analog pwm did just fine when I was sponsored by Palit and running 1.7+v thru G92's. Never popped a pwm circuit.

Casecutter · Dec 14, 2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Casecutter

If I understood right, I read several month back that AMD would permit AIB's more leeway right from the initial release...

Called it!
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/12/13/a...-from-day-one/

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Originally Posted by John Doe

It's now just an inferior GPU with inferior drivers. It has nothing left to make itself really distinguish from nVidia. Understand?

I read correctly, you're saying now both Nvidia and AMD are “indistinguishable”. So both have "an inferior GPU" backed-up "with inferior drivers"; the only thing AMD had to distinguish itself was a better power section.
But Nvidia always cost more? Good thing AMD wised up!

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Originally Posted by trickson

So really ? asinine ? Not from were I am standing it is not

That said by the person standing in "Parts Unknown"?

Tatty_One · Dec 15, 2011, 11:54 AM

Casecutter, learn to use the "multiquote" button please and keep things civil.

H82LUZ73 · Dec 15, 2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by trickson

I wonder if AMD is giving up on CPU'S and focusing on Video cards . With the BD debacle and all kinda makes me wonder .

You better believe it,I said that "We watching a CPU company turn to GPU company " Back in the BD release thread 2 or 3 months ago.

LoL
John Doe why you use a 570 and 470 in your machine and come here bitching about AMD cards.........Green Troll Alert........Just saying you want to bitch about power controllers start another thread.....Sorry mods have to say it.

ViperXTR · Dec 15, 2011, 11:54 PM

whats this talk about december 22 launch?
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-brin...011/14255.html

and pics?
http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-ka...kran-karti.htm

pantherx12 · Dec 15, 2011, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperXTR

whats this talk about december 22 launch?
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-brin...011/14255.html

and pics?
http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-ka...kran-karti.htm
http://img.donanimhaber.com//images/..._1_dh_fx57.jpg
http://img.donanimhaber.com//images/..._2_dh_fx57.jpg
http://img.donanimhaber.com//images/..._7_dh_fx57.jpg
http://img.donanimhaber.com//images/..._3_dh_fx57.jpg
http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stori...70_slide_1.jpg

Hope thats real, cards look nice.

Not that I ever keep stock coolers but still, nice to have the option

Damn_Smooth · Dec 16, 2011, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ViperXTR

whats this talk about december 22 launch?
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-brin...011/14255.html

and pics?
http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-ka...kran-karti.htm
http://img.donanimhaber.com//images/..._1_dh_fx57.jpg
http://img.donanimhaber.com//images/..._2_dh_fx57.jpg
http://img.donanimhaber.com//images/..._7_dh_fx57.jpg
http://img.donanimhaber.com//images/..._3_dh_fx57.jpg
http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stori...70_slide_1.jpg

Does 32 Rops even work with 384bit memory? I could be wrong, but I am under the impression that it doesn't. Seems too low either way.

erocker · Dec 16, 2011, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ViperXTR

whats this talk about december 22 launch?
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-brin...011/14255.html

Looks like I'm going to be up in the wee hours of the morning trying to get one.

There's also no talk of 32 ROP's in those screens and it looks like the graph by OBR, that one of those pics were taken and pasted on to some rumored info.

ViperXTR · Dec 16, 2011, 12:42 AM

yeah, i would still take this info with a grain of salt.

32 ROPs looks wee to low indeed (and doesn't add up with 384bit unless they do some weird configuration like what they did with the GTX 550Ti), i saw some info on kepler's ROPs are in the 48 to 64 range

DarkOCean · Dec 16, 2011, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ViperXTR

yeah, i would still take this info with a grain of salt.

32 ROPs looks wee to low indeed (and doesn't add up with 384bit unless they do some weird configuration like what they did with the GTX 550Ti), i saw some info on kepler's ROPs are in the 48 to 64 range

rops on 550ti its not weird its 24 with 192bit just the vram size is... so in the case of tahiti should be 48 unless they've done something weird.

ViperXTR · Dec 16, 2011, 01:12 AM

weird in a sense that it didn't follow the usual config on most cards but whatever hehe. If i understand correctly, 550 Ti's config is like:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...77&postcount=5

3GB on a 384bit bus would prolly give similar config to custom 3GB GTX 580.
256MB x 12 chips, each chip would be 32bit wide, each chip would have of uh... assuming 32 ROPs, how would you divide that with 12 memory chips? '__'

Casecutter · Dec 16, 2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tatty_One

Casecutter, learn to use the "multiquote" button please and keep things civil.

I should have kept revising the first one, as I found new stuff… my bad. But civility, I’m the one dinged for not being civil? Have you seen the avatar pic used by Tatty_One

Super XP · Dec 16, 2011, 11:14 PM

AMD's CPU business is not going anywhere but UP.

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trickson OH, I have such a headache Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Planet Earth. Posts: 6,105 (1.97/day) Thanks: 1,863 Thanked 896 Times in 746 Posts System Specs	I wonder if AMD is giving up on CPU'S and focusing on Video cards . With the BD debacle and all kinda makes me wonder .

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Dec 16, 2011, 01:12 AM	#145
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