NSS Labs Accuses Google of Undertaking Campaign to Knock Firefox Off The Market

btarunr · Dec 16, 2011, 11:29 AM

Google Chrome is a fast and functional web browser. Let's get that out of the way first. But one of the main reasons a largely successful corporation put resources into developing a web-browser into a market that isn't very profitable, is cost-cutting. Since it's inception, the search bar Mozilla Firefox came with, has Google as its default search provider. Every time people search using that search bar in Firefox, Mozilla Foundation makes money. It is estimated that these Google searches amount to a majority of Mozilla's revenue, as Google pays it as much as 50 million dollars an year. Google Chrome, despite its genuine merits, is a cost-cutting operation. The more people use it over Firefox, the less Google has to pay Mozilla.

Web security researchers have historically rated Google Chrome has having the worst security and privacy compared to Firefox, and Internet Explorer (read this, and here), but the most recent research by Denver-based security consultancy Accuvant claimed that Google Chrome has the best security and privacy features, while Mozilla Firefox has the worst. Want to hear the kicker? That research by Accuvant was funded by Google. Want to hear another one? A similar research firm that has historically done vendor-funded research, NSS Labs, voiced strong objections to Accuvant's research, calling it an all-out attempt to malign Mozilla Firefox.

NSS Labs has, in the past, done similar security "research" paid for by Microsoft, to certify Internet Explorer 8 as the safest browser for online transactions. Vikram Phatak, the chief technology officer of NSS Labs, in an interview, said this about Accuvant's research: "This is a vendor-funded paper, and in these cases, the vendor is going to drive the methodology [of the testing], which appears to be the case here." He goes on to call the research, hence, "skewed toward Chrome," alleging that the research overlooked many of Firefox's own security features. Pathak says that Google is going all-out to knock Mozilla Firefox out of the market. "Google paid for this report, and it's part of a marketing campaign that's probably aimed at Firefox to cut off Firefox's revenues, cut if off from the Safe Browsing service, and then put out a report that says Firefox is less secure than Chrome," he said.

Source: ComputerWorld

qubit · Dec 16, 2011, 11:35 AM

Bias! I call reporting bias! How dare you point out dirty tricks by one company over another!

(and in the end, screwing the consumer, who's stuck in the middle)

But seriously, it's good to know the reason why a company is spending significant money in developing a product that's "free". It's also good to know where Mozilla is getting all that revenue from, for a "free" product.

Thanks for posting this and we want to see more like it.

entropy13 · Dec 16, 2011, 11:36 AM

Google Chrome would never be the safest browser. Allowing a fully-working ABP and NoScript in Chrome would be shooting themselves on both of their feet, while taking arrows in both knees.

btarunr · Dec 16, 2011, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qubit

But seriously, it's good to know the reason why a company is spending significant money in developing a product that's "free".

Remember, if it's free, you're not the consumer, you're the product.

qubit · Dec 16, 2011, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btarunr

Remember, if it's free, you're not the consumer, you're the product.

Oh f*!

Kinda like Facebook. Damn, where did I put that tinfoil hat...

djisas · Dec 16, 2011, 12:04 PM

I tried chrome, but it certainly didnt live to its hype, there was a lack of everything i like on FF, so, long live Firefox...
Why would i want to replace a fully customized browser for one where i would have to go look for similar ads and stuff to get a close experience to that of ff??

Easy Rhino · Dec 16, 2011, 12:45 PM

the majority of people don't read those security research papers anyway, which is why IE is still the top dog. duh.

btarunr · Dec 16, 2011, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

the majority of people don't read those security research papers anyway, which is why IE is still the top dog. duh.

They don't read those security papers alright, but they do stand to get hammered by internet ads that scream "xyz is the safest browser, according to random research". Google already has a near monopoly with internet advertising, it would cost them nothing to give Chrome the biggest marketing campaign in the history of the internet. So that's the operational part of Google's slay-Mozilla campaign.

Fx · Dec 16, 2011, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djisas

I tried chrome, but it certainly didnt live to its hype, there was a lack of everything i like on FF, so, long live Firefox...
Why would i want to replace a fully customized browser for one where i would have to go look for similar ads and stuff to get a close experience to that of ff??

eh, to each his own. I have tried it 3-4 times now and dont like it better than FF either though. to be fair, google has enabled a lot of customization since it launched

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

the majority of people don't read those security research papers anyway, which is why IE is still the top dog. duh.

it is still the top dog because it is bundled and the majority of people dont care to try another browser or are even aware of other browsers

Easy Rhino · Dec 16, 2011, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fx

eh, to each his own. I have tried it 3-4 times now and dont like it better than FF either though. to be fair, google has enabled a lot of customization since it launched

it is still the top dog because it is bundled and the majority of people dont care to try another browser or are even aware of other browsers

exactly. so obviously they don't read any of these reports because if they did then they would be more interested.

Arctucas · Dec 16, 2011, 01:55 PM

I prefer the customization ability of FF, and although Chrome may be 'faster', FF works just fine for me.

silkstone · Dec 16, 2011, 02:28 PM

I love Chrome and have been using it since it was first released. I never did care for FF, though after reading this i am inclined to change.

Steevo · Dec 16, 2011, 03:21 PM

I use internet explorer........to download firefox.

I used chrome on my new laptop last night......to download firefox.

I don't use the search bar in FF though, I use google.

Completely Bonkers · Dec 16, 2011, 03:21 PM

Chrome is a good browser... expect that once you install a few applets is begins hogging resources and memory. I can remember how fast Chrome was when I installed it. But now (new windows) open like treacle. Time for a rebuild. Maybe this isnt Chrome's fault, but Acrobat and Skype hooks. Usually is.

HalfAHertz · Dec 16, 2011, 03:52 PM

bta isn't telling the full story here. Google may be using your private data to to buy yachts and jet planes but Mozilla is fueling their browser engine by lighting baby foxes on fire! HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHERE THE NAME COMES FROM??? FIRE FOX > FOXES ON FIRE!!!

SAVE THE BABY FOXES - USE LYNX INSTEAD!1eleven

ensabrenoir · Dec 16, 2011, 03:59 PM

research firms: Which ones better? Whoever pays us the most

Steevo · Dec 16, 2011, 04:05 PM

Any browser is OK untill.

Adobe
Java
Office
Live

and the plethora of crap installers that people install with all their freeware.

INSTG8R · Dec 16, 2011, 04:26 PM

Meh I mean I will admit to never trying Chrome. I just got pissed when Google killed it's Toolbar for FF. I still manage to hold onto it on my Laptop using compatibility tricks. But I have lost it forever on my Desktop Rig.

ACEkombatkiwi · Dec 16, 2011, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INSTG8R

Meh I mean I will admit to never trying Chrome. I just got pissed when Google killed it's Toolbar for FF. I still manage to hold onto it on my Laptop using compatibility tricks. But I have lost it forever on my Desktop Rig.

Google search is built into Fire Fox which is all you need.

Easy Rhino · Dec 16, 2011, 09:41 PM

wish more people would care about browser wars.

btw, bta, excellent news article. a text book balance of information and intelligent/reasoned opinion.

v12dock · Dec 16, 2011, 10:29 PM

In the real world is Chrome faster than Firefox and vise versa

newtekie1 · Dec 16, 2011, 10:46 PM

Firefox 8 = 1 Advisory with 1 Vulnerability Unpatched
Chrome 16 = 0 Advisories with 0 Vulnerabilities Reported
Firefox 7 = 4 Advisories with 17 Vulnerabilities All Unpatched
Chrome 15 = 4 Advisories with 36 Vulnerabilities 75% of them Patched

Notice the only one that reached higher than 1 bar on the security scale was Firefox. Also notice how they didn't even bother to fix any security issues with Firefox 7 while Google fixed several with Chrome. Firefox 8 and Chrome 16 are too new to really use as a gauge, so using the older versions gives a better picture, and I would say Chrome is more secure.

I also find it ironic that anyone that would have the balls to actually say IE8 was the safest(AKA Most Secure) browser would have the balls to talk about anyone else's finding as being fud...

NSS has to have the biggest pair of solid brass balls on the planet to say IE8 is the safest browser, then try to say a competitor's finds are BS!

This is just a classic case of the Pot calling the Kettle black...

LittleLizard · Dec 16, 2011, 11:22 PM

Companies with "LOADS O MONEY" are known to do this. You can attract a new customer by either, making an appealing product, or destroying the appeal of the alternatives.
Still, that Chrome is actually a cost-saving measure for Google surprised me as i haven't considered that point of view.

WarraWarra · Dec 17, 2011, 01:07 AM

Between idiots Firefox 4~??? and Chrome I wish they both would destroy each other and bring back netscape navigator and firefox 1/2/3 not this BS we have today, so good for google kill firefox.
Have to use Wyzo just to get a decent web browser experience.

Google chrome, no thank you, don't want it will not use it and will destroy all my pc's that gets infected by that curse and firefox 4 to nightmare on elm street as well.

Would rather shove my twang into a spinning liquidizer than use anything from google except search and mail. Google cured me from Android as well. "android developer here"

Fx · Dec 17, 2011, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steevo

I use internet explorer........to download firefox.

I used chrome on my new laptop last night......to download firefox.

I don't use the search bar in FF though, I use google.

you just described my habits as well

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Cooling:	EK Supreme HF - EK FC6970 - XSPC RX480 - XSPC RX240 Dual loop
Memory:	6x2GB Dominator GT 2000Mhz 7-8-7-20
Video Card:	CFX Asus 6950s 840c/ 1325m MAX in CCC
Hard Disk:	3x OCZ Vertex 2 E 120GB raid0
Optical Drive:	LG Bluray RW
CRT/LCD Model:	3x ViewSonic VP2650wb 25.5" 5760x1200 Eyefinity
Case:	Silverstone TJ07 Black custom
Sound Card:	Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion Series
PSU:	Silverstone Strider 1500w
Software:	Windows 7 Ultimate x64 retail

Dec 16, 2011, 09:41 PM	#20
Easy Rhino Linux Advocate Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,226 (4.29/day) Thanks: 1,208 Thanked 2,775 Times in 1,793 Posts System Specs	wish more people would care about browser wars. btw, bta, excellent news article. a text book balance of information and intelligent/reasoned opinion.

Dec 16, 2011, 10:29 PM	#21
v12dock Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 1,286 (0.79/day) Thanks: 281 Thanked 240 Times in 160 Posts System Specs	In the real world is Chrome faster than Firefox and vise versa

System Name:	Compute 0 / Compute 1
Processor:	i7 720 QM / i5 750 @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard:	Toshiba knows / Gigabyte P55A-UD4P
Cooling:	Shitty laptop cooling / Noctua NH-D14
Memory:	DDR3 1066Mhz x 6GB / DDR2 1600Mhz x 4GB
Video Card:	Geforce 360M / Geforce 470
Hard Disk:	60GB SSD + 320GB HDD / 80GB SSD + 1TB HDD
Optical Drive:	Fancy BluRay Drive / DVD drive
CRT/LCD Model:	17.3" 1080P / 23" Acer 1080P
Case:	This cool looking laptop one
PSU:	Powerbrick / TX750
Software:	Windows 7 64-Bit

Dec 16, 2011, 10:46 PM	#22
newtekie1 Semi-Retired Folder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 17,767 (6.48/day) Thanks: 780 Thanked 5,121 Times in 3,710 Posts System Specs	Firefox 8 = 1 Advisory with 1 Vulnerability Unpatched Chrome 16 = 0 Advisories with 0 Vulnerabilities Reported Firefox 7 = 4 Advisories with 17 Vulnerabilities All Unpatched Chrome 15 = 4 Advisories with 36 Vulnerabilities 75% of them Patched Notice the only one that reached higher than 1 bar on the security scale was Firefox. Also notice how they didn't even bother to fix any security issues with Firefox 7 while Google fixed several with Chrome. Firefox 8 and Chrome 16 are too new to really use as a gauge, so using the older versions gives a better picture, and I would say Chrome is more secure. I also find it ironic that anyone that would have the balls to actually say IE8 was the safest(AKA Most Secure) browser would have the balls to talk about anyone else's finding as being fud... NSS has to have the biggest pair of solid brass balls on the planet to say IE8 is the safest browser, then try to say a competitor's finds are BS! This is just a classic case of the Pot calling the Kettle black... __________________ Rig1: System Specs. Rig2: A8-5600K@4.4GHz / AsRock FM2A75 Pro4 / 8GB Corsair DDR3-1600 9-9-9-24 / HD7560D / Samsung DVD-Burner / 1.5TB WD Green + 3x3TB WD RED in RAID5 Rig3: Athlon X2 4200+ / M4A79 Deluxe / 4GB G.Skill Pi DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 / GT430 / Sony DVD-Burner / 500GB WD Rig4: Phenom II x6 1605T @ 3.6GHz / Asus M5A99X Evo / 8GB PNY DDR3-1600 9-9-9 / GTX470 & GTX470 / Samsung DVD-Burner / 1.5TB Seagate Last edited by newtekie1; Dec 16, 2011 at 10:56 PM.

Processor:	Intel Core i7 875K@4.0GHz(200x20)
Motherboard:	eVGA P55 FTW 200
Cooling:	Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme w/ Corsair SP120 High Performance Edition
Memory:	8GB Corsair DDR3-1600 7-7-7-20
Video Card:	ASUS GTX 670 4GB DirectCU II @ 1015/3600
Hard Disk:	1TB Seagate 7200.12(OS), 3x 1.5TB Seagate 7200.11 in RAID 5
Optical Drive:	Lite-On Blu-Ray Combo Drive IHES108
CRT/LCD Model:	HP 25" 2509m 1080p LCD
Case:	Lian-Li Lancool Metal Boned K7 w/ Windowed Side Panel
Sound Card:	Onboard is good enough for me
PSU:	Corsair HX850
Software:	Windows 7 x64 Professional

Dec 16, 2011, 11:22 PM	#23
LittleLizard Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Latin America, Uruguay Posts: 3,380 (2.05/day) Thanks: 339 Thanked 584 Times in 516 Posts System Specs	Companies with "LOADS O MONEY" are known to do this. You can attract a new customer by either, making an appealing product, or destroying the appeal of the alternatives. Still, that Chrome is actually a cost-saving measure for Google surprised me as i haven't considered that point of view. __________________ "oh no, i make a very good person. I eat poop and sleep just like everyone else. My sense of humour just happens to fall under the DnD category of Chaotic Evil." - Mussels "I was expecting a line of EVGA FTW condoms or something like that." - DrPepper "I like my sex like my basketball, one on one, and with as little dribbling as possible" - Robert-The-Rambler

System Name:	The Lizard
Processor:	Intel Core 2 Duo E4600
Motherboard:	Zotac G41 MAT-A-E
Cooling:	Intel Stock Fan
Memory:	2GB Kingston Value DDR2 @ PC2 5300
Video Card:	XFX GeForce 8600 GT 512mb DDR2
Hard Disk:	160GB Samsung F1 Sata
Optical Drive:	Samsung WriteMaster DVD R/RW
CRT/LCD Model:	AOC 917Sw 19' LCD
Case:	Generic Black Case
Sound Card:	Onboard Realtek
PSU:	Biswal 500W
Software:	Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Dec 17, 2011, 01:07 AM	#24
WarraWarra Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 268 (0.29/day) Thanks: 28 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Between idiots Firefox 4~??? and Chrome I wish they both would destroy each other and bring back netscape navigator and firefox 1/2/3 not this BS we have today, so good for google kill firefox. Have to use Wyzo just to get a decent web browser experience. Google chrome, no thank you, don't want it will not use it and will destroy all my pc's that gets infected by that curse and firefox 4 to nightmare on elm street as well. Would rather shove my twang into a spinning liquidizer than use anything from google except search and mail. Google cured me from Android as well. "android developer here" __________________ Created 7009 of 8000 jobs since 1 Oct 2011 in EU. USA visa regime blocks these investment & jobs creation.