GTX 580 or Wait for the coming Next Gen GPU

Chappy · Dec 22, 2011, 02:07 AM

My GTX 280 is dying and I had to underclocked it from its default clock 670/1458/1250 to 602/1310/1107. I can no longer play a decent game on it because of the artifacting; Pink Screen of Death (PSOD) on high caliber 3d games, random crashing. Though, I can still watch hd movies and play BioShock 2.

crazyeyesreaper · Dec 22, 2011, 02:16 AM

Nvidia Kepler GTX 600 series dosent have a set release date but its expected sometime between March - June

so it could be 3-6 months wait

Chappy · Dec 22, 2011, 02:18 AM

do you think prices of GTX 580 will drop on the release of AMD 7000 Series?

AthlonX2 · Dec 22, 2011, 02:22 AM

Dont you mean GTX 7 Series.

entropy13 · Dec 22, 2011, 02:23 AM

Buy one now or wait for a price drop...or check the buy/sell/trade section and get a temporary GPU for a relatively low price while waiting for the new-gen.

LAN_deRf_HA · Dec 22, 2011, 02:24 AM

As soon as the 7970 goes on sale so will a bunch of second hand 580s. Nvidia won't officially drop the price if the 7970 is priced above it. Either get a cheap 580 or grab a 79x0.

erocker · Dec 22, 2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AthlonX2

Dont you mean GTX 7 Series.

Has it been confirmed that they're skipping the 6 series? The only thing saying otherwise is some fake graph. Though the graph could be real and we haven't seen the 6 series graph.

Chappy · Dec 22, 2011, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AthlonX2

Dont you mean GTX 7 Series.

Not sure...

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Originally Posted by entropy13

Buy one now or wait for a price drop...or check the buy/sell/trade section and get a temporary GPU for a relatively low price while waiting for the new-gen.

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Originally Posted by LAN_deRf_HA

As soon as the 7970 goes on sale so will a bunch of second hand 580s. Nvidia won't officially drop the price if the 7970 is priced above it. Either get a cheap 580 or grab a 79x0.

Uneconomical... I'm thinking, it's either get the current best available GTX 580 now (Been eying for MSI Lightning Xtreme) or wait for the newer next gen.

TheMailMan78 · Dec 22, 2011, 02:46 AM

I would get a 6970 2gb and call it a day.

radrok · Dec 22, 2011, 02:47 AM

I'd say wait for AMD 79XX series then decide what do you want after the release, there might be a price drop on GTX 580 even if unlikely, at best you'd get more performance for your money

Live OR Die · Dec 22, 2011, 03:00 AM

Wait for Nvidias next gen cards and pick up a 2nd hand GTX480 there cheap and there only 10% slower than a 580.

crazyeyesreaper · Dec 22, 2011, 03:06 AM

or if your in the USA *shameless plug* by my 2 month old

MSI 6950 2gb Twin Frozr III PE / OC that with racer X and power tune mod for 50% can hit up to 1000 core if you play with it nicely which puts it above 6970 and just below stock 580 performance

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bear jesus · Dec 22, 2011, 03:34 AM

I would say no matter what you decide to do or buy you should at least wait for the 7970 reviews as they are almost out and even if there is no price drops there could be a bunch of people selling cards relatively cheap and possibly even the MSI 580 that you have had your eye on.

LAN_deRf_HA · Dec 22, 2011, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chappy

Not sure...

Uneconomical... I'm thinking, it's either get the current best available GTX 580 now (Been eying for MSI Lightning Xtreme) or wait for the newer next gen.

....what? How is waiting a day for cheap second hand 580s uneconomical? For that matter, why pay $600 for a brand new 580 that's slower than the cheaper 79x0? Now that's "uneconomical." And from what you've described you may not make it to the "newer next gen."

Chappy · Dec 22, 2011, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LAN_deRf_HA

....what? How is waiting a day for cheap second hand 580s uneconomical? For that matter, why pay $600 for a brand new 580 that's slower than the cheaper 79x0? Now that's "uneconomical." And from what you've described you may not make it to the "newer next gen."

No, you didn't get my point... What I want is just to buy a single high-end GPU that will last for years, Not to buy a 2nd hand and throw it off because a new next gen comes up. If I bought an MSI Lightning Xtreme now, I won't get a Kepler and just wait for Maxwell or I may just as well don't change my GPU at all till its dead.

I have actually no plans on replacing my GTX 280 if its still functional until now but it seems its years of service is at its end. I'm no enthusiast but the kind of guy that will only replace his GPU when its already dead and replace it with currently the 'best' available GPU.

radrok · Dec 22, 2011, 04:05 AM

Well, this review points you to the BEST single GPU on the market at the very moment

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/1.html

Delta6326 · Dec 22, 2011, 04:40 AM

Here you go I say 7970!

theJesus · Dec 22, 2011, 04:45 AM

Wait for the 7970 if you think that little performance bump is worth it. If you can't wait, then just get a 580 now. The 7970 is priced appropriately above the 580, so I doubt nvidia will drop their price. Personally, I don't think the improvement is that great with the 7970. Eyefinity is probably the best reason to get it.

Horrux · Dec 22, 2011, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by theJesus

Wait for the 7970 if you think that little performance bump is worth it. If you can't wait, then just get a 580 now. The 7970 is priced appropriately above the 580, so I doubt nvidia will drop their price. Personally, I don't think the improvement is that great with the 7970. Eyefinity is probably the best reason to get it.

7970 also seems to have the greatest overclocking potential of any recent card...

Chappy · Dec 22, 2011, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by radrok

Well, this review points you to the BEST single GPU on the market at the very moment

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/1.html

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Originally Posted by Delta6326

Here you go I say 7970!

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_797...rfrel_1920.gif

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Originally Posted by Horrux

7970 also seems to have the greatest overclocking potential of any recent card...

Wow! Awesome!
I'm really not a fanboy of nVidia but I'm getting a bit excited on its next gen this coming march.

Guess I'll have to squeeze out a little more life on my GTX 280.

twicksisted · Dec 22, 2011, 06:50 PM

Buy a GTX580 now, youll get a great deal/price for one and its immensly powerful!
I upgraded to one recently as whenever a new card comes out its never as impressive as its paper release specs have you believe. The gtx580 on the other hand is a seriously powerful card capable of playing any game maxxed out and this is unlikely to change for a long time as most games are console ports.

My card easily does 1000mhz core without even having to ramp up the fan speeds, runs virtually silent due to a fantastic cooler, looks stunning with its LED lights and blazes through and and all benchmarks, games and encoding tasks I give it

Yeah sure the 7XXX series will probably use less power, but it will also cost a lot and probably wont be that much quicker than a gtx580 if at all! Dont believe paper launches

qubit · Dec 22, 2011, 07:02 PM

Ok, I voted for buy a GTX 580 now and wait for a price drop. By that, I mean to wait no more than a month or so, to see how the price of the new kid on the block affects it. We've already been seeing some cheapish offers on this card.

Also, in what way is your GTX 280 dying?

the54thvoid · Dec 22, 2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by twicksisted

Buy a GTX580 now, youll get a great deal/price for one and its immensly powerful!
I upgraded to one recently as whenever a new card comes out its never as impressive as its paper release specs have you believe. The gtx580 on the other hand is a seriously powerful card capable of playing any game maxxed out and this is unlikely to change for a long time as most games are console ports.

My card easily does 1000mhz core without even having to ramp up the fan speeds, runs virtually silent due to a fantastic cooler, looks stunning with its LED lights and blazes through and and all benchmarks, games and encoding tasks I give it

Yeah sure the 7XXX series will probably use less power, but it will also cost a lot and probably wont be that much quicker than a gtx580 if at all! Dont believe paper launches

Easily do 1000MHZ without high fans speeds?

I have to question that (not in a rude way!). Run the 3DMark11 benchmark (free version) and post your results in the 3DMark11 compilation thread (read the rules). That clock speed would get you in the top 4 with a reasonable cpu.

Chappy · Dec 22, 2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by qubit

Ok, I voted for buy a GTX 580 now and wait for a price drop. By that, I mean to wait no more than a month or so, to see how the price of the new kid on the block affects it. We've already been seeing some cheapish offers on this card.

Also, in what way is your GTX 280 dying?

PSOD. It's a common GTX 280 issue; sign's of death pattern. I think that's why GTX 285 we're soon released after 280.

You can see it in many different forums having this problem with their GTX 280 and again and again experiencing it after RMA till the manufacturer itself replaced it with GTX 285.
Link here, here and here.
Images here and here.
You can also google it and see tons of results regarding this matter.

It's hard to believe but I fixed it by actually baking it in a traditional oven.

They say the cause's we're tear & wear, micro fractures, VRAM issues.

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Originally Posted by the54thvoid

Easily do 1000MHZ without high fans speeds?

I have to question that (not in a rude way!). Run the 3DMark11 benchmark (free version) and post your results in the 3DMark11 compilation thread (read the rules). That clock speed would get you in the top 4 with a reasonable cpu.

I'd like to see it as well...

Animalpak · Dec 22, 2011, 09:28 PM

GTX 580 is already cheap for the performance

Forget AMD go buy GTX 580 now makes less noise than the 7000 series from AMD and the drivers are mature and reliable.

View Poll Results: Current Latest GPU or Wait for Later Next Gen GPU's
Keep my dying GTX 280 for now and wait for the latest next gen gpu	5	10.42%
Buy a GTX 580 now	11	22.92%
Wait for AMD 7000 Series	23	47.92%
Wait for a price drop on GTX 580	16	33.33%
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Dec 22, 2011, 02:07 AM	#1
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Dec 22, 2011, 02:18 AM	#3
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Dec 22, 2011, 02:24 AM	#6
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Dec 22, 2011, 02:47 AM	#10
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Dec 22, 2011, 04:40 AM	#17
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Dec 22, 2011, 04:45 AM	#18
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Dec 22, 2011, 06:50 PM	#21
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Optical Drive:	Sony Blu-Ray & Pioneer DVD R/W
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Case:	Cosmos S Case, Logitech G15 keyboard, Logitech G500 Mouse
Sound Card:	Asus Xonar D2X PCI Express Audio
PSU:	Enermax Galaxy DXX 1000W
Software:	Windows 7 Premium 64bit

Dec 22, 2011, 07:02 PM	#22
qubit Overclocked quantum bit Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Quantumville UK Posts: 8,644 (4.34/day) Thanks: 4,173 Thanked 3,302 Times in 1,942 Posts System Specs	Ok, I voted for buy a GTX 580 now and wait for a price drop. By that, I mean to wait no more than a month or so, to see how the price of the new kid on the block affects it. We've already been seeing some cheapish offers on this card. Also, in what way is your GTX 280 dying? __________________ Siggie in the post.

System Name:	Quantumville™
Processor:	Intel Core i7-2700K at 4.7GHz (hits 5 gees+ easily)
Motherboard:	Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling:	Noctua NH-D14
Memory:	16GB (4 x 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card:	EVGA GTX 590 Classified
Hard Disk:	WD Caviar Black 640GB / WD Caviar Green 2TB x2 in mobo RAID 1
Optical Drive:	Whatever DVD drive I've chucked in there right now
CRT/LCD Model:	Asus VG278HE (144Hz, 3D Vision 2, 1080p, 27") & LG W2363D (120Hz 1080p 23")
Case:	Coolermaster HAF 922
Sound Card:	SoundBlaster X-Fi ExtremeMusic (You ever heard one of these? Wow!)
PSU:	Corsair HX850W
Software:	Window 7 Ultimate 64-bit
Benchmarks:	Yes

System Name:	Dulie.
Processor:	i7 3930k @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard:	Asus P9 X79 PRO
Cooling:	Dual Loop with 2 D5's, gpu on 120.4 rad, cpu on 120.2
Memory:	16Gb 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance
Video Card:	GTX Titan @ 1.5GHz
Hard Disk:	2x120GB SSD - Corsair Force Series 3, OCZ Vertex II
Optical Drive:	Removed for radiator
CRT/LCD Model:	Dell Ultrasharp 27" (2560x1440)
Case:	Silverstone TJ07 (modded black interior)
Sound Card:	On Board
PSU:	Seasonic Platinum 1000W
Software:	W7

Dec 22, 2011, 09:28 PM	#25
Animalpak Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,617 (0.84/day) Thanks: 638 Thanked 362 Times in 202 Posts System Specs	GTX 580 is already cheap for the performance Forget AMD go buy GTX 580 now makes less noise than the 7000 series from AMD and the drivers are mature and reliable.

System Name:	Aurora Carbon
Processor:	i7 975 Extreme
Motherboard:	Crap MSI/Alienware x58
Cooling:	Watercooled CPU Cooler Master Seidon 120M
Memory:	6 GB DDR3 Corsair Dominator 1600Mhz
Video Card:	ASUS GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost
Hard Disk:	2x WD Velociraptor 300GB ARRAY
Optical Drive:	Toshiba DVD ROM
CRT/LCD Model:	Benq 2410XL 120hz 3D 24" ( 1920x1080 )
Case:	Alienware Aurora R3
PSU:	Dell 875Watt
Software:	Win 7 HP 64Bit
Benchmarks:	Gaming to the maximum is my priority