SOPA-like Legislation Mulled in Spain

[btarunr]

The Spanish cabinet has approved a new legislation similar to America's Stop Online-Piracy Act (SOPA), designed to bring down websites facilitating copyright infringement in 10 days flat thanks to a streamlined due-process. Named after former Spanish culture minister Angeles Gonzalez-Sinde, the legislation will be called the "Sinde Law", the legislation proposes a mechanism with which copyright holders have the ability to report websites hosting copyrighted content (direct downloads), or facilitating copyright infringement (bit-torrent tracker sites), to a commission dedicated to hearing such complaints. This body decides if it wants to act against the infringing website or the ISPs providing infrastructure to it. A case will then be passed to a judge to rule on whether the site should be shut down.

The bill is being drafted in a way that ensures the process from complaint to action/dismissal happens within a time-frame of 10 working days. The Spanish Government says that it is high time the country had such a legislation, because rampant copyright infringement is stifling innovation and creativity. A report by market-intelligence firm IDC says that 97.8% of music consumption in Spain was illegal. Deputy PM Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said that the objective of this legislation is "to safeguard intellectual property, boost [Spanish] culture industries and protect the rights of owners, creators and others in the face of the lucrative plundering of illegal downloading sites." The legislation is welcomed by the creative industries, and criticized by net activists.

Source: BBC

[Red_Machine]

Originally Posted by btarunr

A report by market-intelligence firm IDC says that 97.8% of music consumption in Spain was illegal.

Bull-fricken-horseshit!

[NdMk2o1o]

Originally Posted by Red_Machine

Bull-fricken-horseshit!

+1

This seems to be the way it will start going for a lot of countries, and all that will happen is people will either find a new way to share or find a way around the blocking.

[Saidrex]

...and so it spreads...

Death to SOPA!

[N-Gen]

I always say the same thing: If man can do it, man can break it. So if man can block it...the other man will unblock it.

[melkhior]

I think that before imposing unconstitutional laws, they should stop stealing our money day after day.

We are very tired of our politicians. In Spain we have over 300 cases of corruption:

http://maps.google.es/maps/ms?ie=UTF...0e3e7654bb763a

Every "sticker" is a case of corruption.

And no, 97.8% of music consumption in Spain is not illegal.

[treehouse]

i dont think 97.8% is not an unreasonable estimate, could well be true in this economic climate.

what these people fail to realise is that just because someone pirates a song, it does not mean they would have bought it if the pirate route was not available to them..

[qubit]

And so the cancer spreads.

Spain was one of the few countries with sane copyright laws. There, one could legally share music/movies/software as long as it wasn't done for financial profit. Now their doing SOPA.

[to6ko91]

Originally Posted by btarunr

A report by market-intelligence firm IDC says that 97.8% of music consumption in Spain was illegal

and 91.3% of all statistics are completely made up, including this one
so even if SOPA and PROTECT IP Act dont pass in the us there will be some other country to adopt them

[danigold]

I'm Spanish. Our governmental system is completely corrupt. We are completely f*cked. And to top it, the biggest bastards at the world have won the elections. Those who have won were those who said "No" to the law Sinde, who have now approved very quickly. This world is full of capitalists sons of a b*tch and wh*res of money.
Sorry for my insults.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by danigold

I'm Spanish. Our governmental system is completely corrupt. We are completely f*cked. And to top it, the biggest bastards at the world have won the elections. Those who have won were those who said "No" to the law Sinde, who have now approved very quickly. This world is full of capitalists sons of a b*tch and wh*res of money.
Sorry for my insults.

Corrupt, huh?

Well, you'll be glad to know that our British government is completely honest and above board and would never introduce dodgy legislation like the Digital Economy Act to serve the interests of Big Media. No, never.

/sarcasm

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by danigold

I'm Spanish. Our governmental system is completely corrupt. We are completely f*cked. And to top it, the biggest bastards at the world have won the elections. Those who have won were those who said "No" to the law Sinde, who have now approved very quickly. This world is full of capitalists sons of a b*tch and wh*res of money.
Sorry for my insults.

They are not capitalists. They are corporatists. If you are gonna insult people make sure you get the right people.

[danigold]

Originally Posted by qubit

Corrupt, huh?

Well, you'll be glad to know that our British government is completely honest and above board and would never introduce dodgy legislation like the Digital Economy Act to serve the interests of Big Media. No, never.

/sarcasm

Sorry, I meant that we ALL are f*cked.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

They are not capitalists. They are corporatists. If you are gonna insult people make sure you get the right people.

'corporatists', yeah that's the right word. I'm gonna put that one in my arsenal.

Originally Posted by danigold

Sorry, I meant that we ALL are f*cked.

Of course. Your initial post is quite right (capitalists/corporatists excepted, I knew what you meant ). I was just taking a dig at our own corrupt government, using sarcasm.

Anyway, welcome to TPU.

[TheMailMan78]

Can any of you give me an example of a government that's not corrupt? See its all about perspective. Communist? Socialist? Capitalist? Name one.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Can any of you give me an example of a government that's not corrupt? See its all about perspective. Communist? Socialist? Capitalist? Name one.

Sure, but some are a whole lot worse than others. I'm not pointing the finger at any particular one here, note.

[danigold]

Originally Posted by qubit

'corporatists', yeah that's the right word. I'm gonna put that one in my arsenal.



Of course. Your initial post is quite right (capitalists/corporatists excepted, I knew what you meant ). I was just taking a dig at our own corrupt government, using sarcasm.

Anyway, welcome to TPU.

Thank you! I appreciate your sarcasm

I want to clarify my definition. I should have said "corporatist capitalist sons of a b**ch".

[melkhior]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Can any of you give me an example of a government that's not corrupt? See its all about perspective. Communist? Socialist? Capitalist? Name one.

The question is not if a government is corrupt or not. The point is that Spain is one of the most corrupt countries in the developed world.

I'd like that Spain is anything like USA, Germany, UK, etc ... But, we seem to Italy, another country collapsed by corruption.

[danigold]

Anyway, sorry if I offended anyone, it was not my intention to get into what is the best or the worst system of government.
They are corrupts anyway, a lot of.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by melkhior

The question is not if a government is corrupt or not. The point is that Spain is one of the most corrupt countries in the developed world.

I'd like that Spain is anything like USA, Germany, UK, etc ... But, we seem to Italy, another country collapsed by corruption.

Of course. That's because you have a vastly centralized power which is the corner stone of socialism. You are no different then any other culture in history. Absolute power corrupts. The more power you give a government the more it becomes corrupt. Time you guys lean more personal liberty and stop with the social programs. They make you a slave to the state which in turns give the government more power. Socialism and Communism is just organized slavery.

Granted its a much tougher road. But your history (Spain) proves you got what it takes. Not many nations can say "We had an 800 year occupation and kept our culture".

FYI not saying we are any different in the States mind you. We are well on our way to become a massively corrupt circle jerk. Personally I think we already are but there are a few who still think government is there to help.

Originally Posted by danigold

Anyway, sorry if I offended anyone, it was not my intention to get into what is the best or the worst system of government.
They are corrupts anyway, a lot of.

Oh hell you didnt offend anyone man. If you did then they need to get thicker skin. I got where you are coming from.

[Saidrex]

Ha, You think that this is bad, then read on torrentfreak what internet laws will start working in Belarus from 6 january.

[Mr McC]

The resurrection of the Ley Sinde.
Little else to be expected of a right-wing government, irrespective of their stance whilst in opposition.
The law in most countries already enables the criminal pursuit of illicit downloads, whereby it is clear that legislation such as SOPA and Sinde only exists to serve corporate interests at the expense of eroding individual rights; emphasise our position as consumers, over and above our status as citizens, before the judiciary; and call upon all who engage in legitimate Internet business and communication to, once again, assume responsibility for the wrongdoings of a demon conjured up by large corporations.
Such legislation is preposterous on so many levels and exposes any notion of our politicians serving the interests of the wider public as a nonsense. Shame on them.

[TheMailMan78]

So if it wasnt for pirates what excuse would they have had?

I ask because in the US they like to use Terrorism and "Protecting the middle class" as an excuse to take away liberties.

[Saidrex]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

So if it wasnt for pirates what excuse would they have had?

I ask because in the US they like to use Terrorism and "Protecting the middle class" as an excuse to take away liberties.

don't worry, they are very good in finding excuses

[Mr McC]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

So if it wasnt for pirates what excuse would they have had?

If people are willing to buy piracy, I assume attributing the ills of the world to gnomes or "the little people" would suffice.

Piracy does not represent lost sales, what excuse do these politicians have for focusing their attention on the alleged lost revenue of huge corporations when employment figures translate to 1 in 5?