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Old Jan 11, 2012, 12:32 AM   #26
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Mistakes happen at conventions all the time. I do think Intel should have clarified it was a video from the beginning and explained the whole time constraints thing. They clearly tried to be a little deceptive which is just wrong...
I suppose being deceptive is better than having nothing to show is better in that situation.
I recall nVidia and one of their cards being a false slap together which used wood screws back in the day so it's not unheard of.

I say it's a loss to them but not necessarily to use unless the person watching is a fanboi and it hurts THEM to see such failure on the manufacturers behalf.

Ultimately this is NOT the end result.

I personally have no allegiance to Intel or AMD.
I really hoped for Bulldozer to be a kick ass CPU but the ES showed otherwise so I posted that this is what we ARE going to get.
Of course this upset the fanbois, whenever I posted as such.

Best thing to do is not favor any brand, wait for the end result and choose which is the better within regards to bang for buck.
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Old Jan 11, 2012, 12:33 AM   #27
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There is a simple reason most everyone does not believe Intel was being up front: they have yet to produce an acceptable GPU with working drivers.

Just from history, it's more reasonable that Intel was being deceptive than being true. They have more to prove, so why "hide" something as great as this?

With the number of screw ups in the GPU world they have had, I have no reason to believe that they were being forward.

Was not Sandy Bridge at one point billed to be DX11 part? The new Atoms were suppose to be DX10 parts, but the DX10 part went missing in the part that is now shipping.

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I suppose being deceptive is better than having nothing to show is better in that situation.
Being that this was in front of financial people, they could catch a lot of flack from the government for misleading investors.
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Old Jan 11, 2012, 12:39 AM   #28
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Intel has definitely struggled on the GPU end of things. Most CPU companies do, and that's why they are generally not in the business of both. AMD only manages it because they bought ATi who was able to continually make competative stand-alone GPU's, so they have all the knowledge already there.
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Old Jan 11, 2012, 01:24 AM   #29
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doesnt surprise me really, intel has a history of dodgy practices, and backdoor deals.
They usually still deliver a decent cpu though.
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Intel has definitely struggled on the GPU end of things. Most CPU companies do, and that's why they are generally not in the business of both. AMD only manages it because they bought ATi who was able to continually make competative stand-alone GPU's, so they have all the knowledge already there.
and a stronger IGP system for the APUs
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If I recall correct, Ivy Bridge is being made on a 22nm process, not 28nm like its being stated in the first part of the article.

Apart from that, good article!

Noone likes being lied to, especially when the stakes (apparently) are as high as they are for this product, and they shouldnt just be allowed to get away with it.
Ah yes, 22nm, of course. I knew something didn't look right. Fixed, thankyou. I think my small brain was confusing it with the 28nm of the HD7970. Such similar numbers, lol.

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doesnt surprise me really, intel has a history of dodgy practices, and backdoor deals.
They usually still deliver a decent cpu though.
In fact judging by its history of not so fair play policies I just can't stand Intel, knowing that in part it made it to be the Intel we know today because of those "little" under the belt kicks...

It's the same reason I can't stand Sony, EA, Apple or any other company, group of people that states "A" in the open than do "B" under the table ... and furthermore have a dominant position in the markets they operate.
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In fact judging by its history of not so fair play policies I just can't stand Intel, knowing that in part it made it to be the Intel we know today because of those "little" under the belt kicks...

It's the same reason I can't stand Sony, EA, Apple or any other company, group of people that states "A" in the open than do "B" under the table ... and furthermore have a dominant position in the markets they operate.
Yes, you have a good point. Unfortunately, that makes for all of them. It seems that in this world, you can't be that successful without those dodgy practices.
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A-hem!

I would embed the vid but I don't know how...

Intel Ivy Bridge DX11 Demo - YouTube

... personally I couldn't give a rats about this 'fake' demo BS, I want to know more about what they're doing with the material from project Offset.
I posted the video first and got no credit
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Qubit, why don't you update this with the vid and stills from Anandtech?
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Qubit, why don't you update this with the vid and stills from Anandtech?
Check out that news story.
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Check out that news story.
Job well done!!! I was tempted to repost it after quite a few posts.
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Well as long as Intel will fix all dx11 driver issues in Ivy Bridge it's ok. Even tho I don't think I would like to play dx11 games with IGP 4000.
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VLC popup??? Didn't they planned, i mean, A BIT MORE
jup sure looks like a vlc playback menu, atleast amd and nvidia runs demos on their own hardware not from a video file
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LOL this is hillarious. Friggin fail. What a way to start the year intel
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