Will you wait for NVIDIA's next-generation Kepler GPU?

[radrok]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Keeping what I have for a while. Will probably wait another gen before I think about upgrading. TBH, I want to upgrade my cpu/mobo and storage first.

Where's Intel hiding that 8 core of wrath?

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by radrok

Where's Intel hiding that 8 core of wrath?

Exactly.

[jamsbong]

I am interested to what Nv manage to cook up. However, I won't buy either of them unless they've got it in the price range of around $250.
A lot of dev uses consoles spec to build the games and to me, they are still good fun. I just don't need to spend $500+++ upgrade at all.

When the next gen console arrives, hopefully will come soon and with an incredible specs, then we can expect whole new level of eye candy from games.

PC has always been the tech pioneers in which the conservative consoles take if the tech is good enough. Of course, nintendo Wii is a clear exception with its unique controllers.

[erocker]

News on this has been rather dead... But here's a newer (rumor) article: http://news.techeye.net/chips/nvidia...#ixzz1l4sdeNee

[Outback Bronze]

Nope. My Gpus are strong enough and ATI,(amd)ATI,(amd)ATI,(amd)!!

[puma99dk|]

Parts on the 32nm had to be redesigned for 28nm <-- srsly Nvidia should could do it better than that.

i am still thinking about grapping the Sapphire Radeon HD7950:



and crapping a GT440 (Single Slot cooler) for Cuda/PhysX so i can still use my Asus Xonar Essence STX.

[Red_Machine]

My GTX 580 will still be good for a while yet. I may SLI with it at some point, though.

[VulkanBros]

Originally Posted by Red_Machine

My GTX 580 will still be good for a while yet. I may SLI with it at some point, though.

Same here . . . My GTX580 will last at minimum 1 year from now....

[radrok]

Originally Posted by puma99dk|

Parts on the 32nm had to be redesigned for 28nm <-- srsly Nvidia should could do it better than that.

i am still thinking about grapping the Sapphire Radeon HD7950:

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and crapping a GT440 (Single Slot cooler) for Cuda/PhysX so i can still use my Asus Xonar Essence STX.

Makes no sense man, your GTX 570 is beefy enough to run any title at your resolution (1080p)
It's more of a sidegrade than an upgrade for you.

Spoiler

There's no worse time to purchase when there is no answer by the competition like on this situation (aka AMD is milking)
just a friendly advice

[MxPhenom 216]

I just want the nvidia cards to come out so that pricing is better on both ends.

[radusorin]

Originally Posted by Sasqui

Sounds like a bad experience!

I don't plan to upgrade graphics until I've moved to Ivy Bridge with a whole new MB,

+1

[F1reFly]

Originally Posted by nvidiaintelftw

I just want the nvidia cards to come out so that pricing is better on both ends.

i just want games that cater better to PC's potential features. All these games like Rage..etc with such poor textures, little to no fully destructive enviro's..etc makes upgrading anything kinda pointless from a performance perspective. except those with older hardware that is.

i remember a time when computer games often times looked quite a bit different than their console counterparts.

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by F1reFly

i just want games that cater better to PC's potential features. All these games like Rage..etc with such poor textures, little to no fully destructive enviro's..etc makes upgrading anything kinda pointless from a performance perspective. except those with older hardware that is.

i remember a time when computer games often times looked quite a bit different than their console counterparts.

well more bad news for you im afraid - the new Xbox is rumoured to be using AMD's low end 6670 GPU which means another healthy serving of console ports for everyone for another 3 years!! epic yay /sarcasm

[radrok]

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

well more bad news for you im afraid - the new Xbox is rumoured to be using AMD's low end 6670 GPU which means another healthy serving of console ports for everyone for another 3 years!! epic yay /sarcasm

It isn't entirely true, on consoles programmers have direct hardware access for coding and thus optimizing software for a specific hardware set, it's not like thousands of configurations for PCs that make hard to optimize performance.
Look at what the Xbox 360 does with a beefed up R500 with todays games.
Now I do agree that consoles do not have mouse n keyboard so I could care less about playing on them but be sure that the game development will ramp up things with the new Xbox.

[the54thvoid]

Originally Posted by erocker

News on this has been rather dead... But here's a newer (rumor) article: http://news.techeye.net/chips/nvidia...#ixzz1l4sdeNee

I see your source and raise you two Charlie's. Corresponds to the article you've referenced but elaborates.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/01/p...lergk104-fast/

I particularly find this bit very, very worrying/interesting:

All of the benchmark numbers shown by Nvidia, and later to SemiAccurate, were overwhelmingly positive. How overwhelmingly positive? Far faster than an AMD HD7970/Tahiti for a chip with far less die area and power use, and it blew an overclocked 580GTX out of the water by unbelievable margins.

and

When Kepler is released, you can reasonably expect extremely peaky performance. For some games, specifically those running Nvidia middleware, it should fly. For the rest, performance is likely to fall off the proverbial cliff. Hard. So hard that it will likely be hard pressed to beat AMD’s mid-range card.

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by radrok

It isn't entirely true, on consoles programmers have direct hardware access for coding and thus optimizing software for a specific hardware set, it's not like thousands of configurations for PCs that make hard to optimize performance.
Look at what the Xbox 360 does with a beefed up R500 with todays games.
Now I do agree that consoles do not have mouse n keyboard so I could care less about playing on them but be sure that the game development will ramp up things with the new Xbox.

That doesnt turn the 6670 into a 7970 though and look at todays console ports its because they were made for a beefed up R500 that they are called console ports and dont make use of more powerful hardware. its plenty true

[erocker]

Originally Posted by the54thvoid

I see your source and raise you two Charlie's. Corresponds to the article you've referenced but elaborates.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/01/p...lergk104-fast/

I particularly find this bit very, very worrying/interesting:



and

I see smoke and mirrors here. Very interesting to say the least and it makes me wonder what the heck Nvidia is doing. Are they trying to push PhysX even more now? It's been rather dead as of late. The way Charlie tells it, Nvidia is going to do more Crysis 2 like shennanigans. Blech.

[radrok]

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

That doesnt turn the 6670 into a 7970 though and look at todays console ports its because they were made for a beefed up R500 that they are called console ports and dont make use of more powerful hardware. its plenty true

In fact I said : "it isn't entirely true", I didn't say that's entirely wrong
However you can't deny that low level hardware access aimed at code optimization gives much more performance than working with different hardware sets.
Apple is a good example, they are doing that on PC with a selected amount of hardware configurations.
I agree that it doesn't turn a 6670 into a 7970, but it helps.
As much as I'd like to see next gen consoles with Tahiti or Kepler it isn't going to be like this, just because the costs would skyrocket.

[the54thvoid]

Originally Posted by erocker

I see smoke and mirrors here. Very interesting to say the least and it makes me wonder what the heck Nvidia is doing. Are they trying to push PhysX even more now? It's been rather dead as of late.

Looks like a further push for some optimisation but as CD says, it might make it unbelievably fast in NV games and pretty mid range on others.....

Not positive news.

[Black Panther]

As long as my games are still rendering between 45 and 60 fps (with vsync), using an E8400 @ 4Ghz, 4GB DDR2 and a 5 year old mobo with pci-e x16 v 1.0 I'm not planning any upgrades till Q4 this year.

The HD5970 might be bottlenecked in some cases, but since I'm not feeling the consequences.. to heck with it!

However if I had a nice i7 which I could oc to 5Ghz (or perhaps more?), 12GB or more of DDR3 RAM and an obliging mobo, I think I'd fall in the trap to keep upgrading the GPU.

As things are right now, it's not worth even overclocking my graphics. But as long as my games run fine I won't be spending any more money for now.

[redeye]

@xenocide... the prices are absolutely reasonable in light of the performance against last years model... i.e. check the review performance delta against a 7950 vs 6950 and the price is great...
except the cost is high, but that is other matter.
remember, nvidia priced the 570 against 580 50% highter than the 570, for only 20% percent increase in performance. nvidia should have charged only 20% more than the 570... (and still doesn't)
of course I hope you remember the rumour that nvidia might charge 300 for their next card... if they don't it will prove what nvidia has been about all along, "no deals for you sir, if you want a deal get the cheap stuff"... so if nvidia wants to "clean-up" the graphics market, they should price their new card that is the same/faster (than 580) at 300 dollars... again they wont it will be 350-400!...which will make it the same price as the 7950(well in the future)... and history will have proven itself.

[MxPhenom 216]

Im pretty sure the xbox 360 will not be using a 6670

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by radrok

I agree that it doesn't turn a 6670 into a 7970, but it helps.

It only helps consoles - Not PC gaming. Theres no reason to burn $500 or $600 bucks on new graphics if the best the next generation has to offer is one that costs less then $80.

Unless you want to openly admit that you think that Consoles have nothing to do the lack of development or 'evolution' of PC games.

we are stuck with what we are stuck with, and what we are stuck with aint exactly that great or what everyone hoped for.

[radrok]

It helps in raising the bar, console ports will be of higher graphics quality, of course not matching a title that has been developed exclusively for PC with native DX11 support and the use of all libraries.

Of course consoles are holding the development of PC gaming, that's unquestionable, there is not so much profit on developing ONLY for PC, it is more profitable to develop for consoles and then port to PC, I think that everyone agrees here.

[Crap Daddy]

Originally Posted by erocker

I see smoke and mirrors here. Very interesting to say the least and it makes me wonder what the heck Nvidia is doing. Are they trying to push PhysX even more now? It's been rather dead as of late. The way Charlie tells it, Nvidia is going to do more Crysis 2 like shennanigans. Blech.

This turns out to be more and more a mystery story. Why isn't NV starting to produce its own games if their hardware plays exceptionally well games where they provide certain services? Jen Hsung must be on a diet of magic mushrooms lately.

On the other hand what Charlie says explains somehow the dubious pricing of the card - 300$. If we look at the bright side of the story the card is supposed to be very power efficient, highly overclockable, performance in the GTX580 category on non NV games (10-20% below Tahiti) and destroying every existing card in games favored by Nvidia.