Pirate Bay Founders Stare At Jailtime as Supreme Court Rejects Appeal

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

If people have the money, they are going to spend it on things they like or I guess millions and millions of people truly are petty thieves(Gasp!). Ironically enough its the people doing all the pirating that are paving the way to the new age of digital distribution.

I make my music for people to enjoy, that brings me the greatest satisfaction, I'd beg for my stuff to be all around the net. The big industries are overflowing with cash from big actors,authors, artists, etc... living luxuriantly while the people who get their stuff for free are just trying to make it by or are middle class paying for school,etc... The ones complaining are the people who already have the fame and wealth.

I don't hear any small time artists complaining about piracy? Why? Because if they were so heavily pirated they wouldn't be a small time artist.

Because those artist don't make money of off copyrights. Basically "They are doing it wrong". I'm a small time artist and I am against piracy of ANY kind. Why? Because I make money off of copyrights.

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Because those artist don't make money of off copyrights. Basically "They are doing it wrong". I'm a small time artist and I am against piracy of ANY kind. Why? Because I make money off of copyrights.

You mention that you are an illustrator... how exactly is internet piracy affecting your work?... also if youre an illustrator then how are you earning royaltys from your work.

Could you provide an example of your work as im confused as to how an illustrator is getting royaltys and also how internet piracy like illegal filesharing and torrents could even affect someone who is an illustrator.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Because those artist don't make money of off copyrights. Basically "They are doing it wrong". I'm a small time artist and I am against piracy of ANY kind. Why? Because I make money off of copyrights.

You'd probably do better if you stopped being against piracy and started working with it a bit.
Maybe advertise and offer some of your stuff for free get it out there to a wider audience.
Also doing some gigs help.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Because those artist don't make money of off copyrights. Basically "They are doing it wrong". I'm a small time artist and I am against piracy of ANY kind. Why? Because I make money off of copyrights.

piracy is theft. theft is wrong. why is theft wrong? because if everyone did it then there would be nothing to steal. thieves are greedy because they expect everyone else to pay for something they got for free.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

piracy is theft. theft is wrong. why is theft wrong? because if everyone did it then there would be nothing to steal. thieves are greedy because they expect everyone else to pay for something they got for free.

Except that with digital theft there is always plenty to "steal". Seeing how none of it is physical and all.

Check out my tracks and download and share them as much as yall like, just give credit where credit is due.

If you don't like it then find someone who does!

http://soundcloud.com/gerfeso

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

Except that with digital theft there is always plenty to steal. Seeing how non of it is physical and all.

no. the people who make the content will stop producing it. that means there will be nothing to steal because the people who are paid to make it will simply stop making it.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by twicksisted

You mention that you are an illustrator... how exactly is internet piracy affecting your work?... also if youre an illustrator then how are you earning royaltys from your work.

Could you provide an example of your work as im confused as to how an illustrator is getting royaltys and also how internet piracy like illegal filesharing and torrents could even affect someone who is an illustrator.

Clip art and illustrations I have created downloaded and used without being paid for. That's how it effects me.

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

You'd probably do better if you stopped being against piracy and started working with it a bit.
Maybe advertise and offer some of your stuff for free get it out there to a wider audience.
Also doing some gigs help.

Ah and how would I do that? The best way to make money is through a distributer. They have more resources then I could ever have. Its just a matter of post crap on the internet. Its about marketing. You will NEVER be anything without marketing. Sure you MIGHT get lucky but the odds are against you.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

no. the people who make the content will stop producing it. that means there will be nothing to steal because the people who are paid to make it will simply stop making it.

That is assuming that everyone does it for the money. As far as I'm aware there are plenty of people who make the content for the content itself and not the money. AKA doing it for the pleasure of making art.

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Ah and how would I do that? The best way to make money is through a distributer. They have more resources then I could ever have. Its just a matter of post crap on the internet. Its about marketing. You will NEVER be anything without marketing. Sure you MIGHT get lucky but the odds are against you.

Putting up stuff for free is the best kind of marketing.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

That is assuming that everyone does it for the money. As far as I'm aware there are plenty of people who make the content for the content itself and not the money. AKA doing it for the pleasure of making art.

Those people usually suck as artists too.

[twicksisted]

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Those people usually suck as artists too.

Well beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. Its all relative.

So that is a blanket statement.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

That is assuming that everyone does it for the money. As far as I'm aware there are plenty of people who make the content for the content itself and not the money. AKA doing it for the pleasure of making art.

how many artists do you know make things and give them away? how many of them have already accomplished a great deal and have become rich. how does that justify theft?

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Clip art and illustrations I have created downloaded and used without being paid for. That's how it effects me.

You must be quite famous for other people to consider counterfeighting? perhaps you are...

Do you have an example of these illustrations to show us? Im just trying to get perspective of what we are talking about here. Most people who pirate, do so with music or movies... i havent really come across people pirating/torrenting drawings before in my personal experience.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

how many artists do you know make things and give them away? how many of them have already accomplished a great deal and have become rich. how does that justify theft?

Plenty, in fact most of soundcloud. Its usually only the really talented and gifted ones that become rich, that or the already rich ones, that or the ones people adore the most.

As far as justifying theft? Well if I could copy a Ferrari and paste it in my driveway, lets just say I would.

[TheMailMan78]

See people used to pirate because they were pissed they bought a whole album for just one song. That was the excuse. Now you have itune allows you to preview and buy songs individually.

So the excuse now is the companies are to greedy. Theft is theft. No one here is believing the BS.

Originally Posted by twicksisted

You must be quite famous for other people to consider counterfeighting? perhaps you are...

Do you have an example of these illustrations to show us? Im just trying to get perspective of what we are talking about here. Most people who pirate, do so with music or movies... i havent really come across people pirating/torrenting drawings before in my personal experience.

Because you are not in my field. And yes I am known in my field. Ive created the primary art for several super bowls. Ive worked for Disney, Wanner Bros, Marvel, NFL, NBA, MLS, MLB and many others.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

See people used to pirate because they were pissed they bought a whole album for just one song. That was the excuse. Now you have itune allows you to preview and buy songs individually.

So the excuse now is the companies are to greedy. Theft is theft. No one here is believing the BS.



Because you are not in my field.

Companies treat their artists like crap anyways. I'd rather pay my artist directly where I know they are getting every cent then buy through a company. I don't need the fancy physical copy, I get it for its contents.
Actually The Flashbulb complained about itunes selling his stuff without him even knowing and he wasn't even getting any money from it and preferred if his fans did not get his stuff from there.

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

See people used to pirate because they were pissed they bought a whole album for just one song. That was the excuse. Now you have itune allows you to preview and buy songs individually.

So the excuse now is the companies are to greedy. Theft is theft. No one here is believing the BS.



Because you are not in my field.

Again, can you show me an example here.... do you have a website or a link to some of your work... im not trying to flame you, i am just interested as to how your drawings or illustrations are earning you "royaltys"... usually these are reserved for TV/ Radio / Magazine coverage and not for personal public useage.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by twicksisted

Again, can you show me an example here.... do you have a website or a link to some of your work... im not trying to flame you, i am just interested as to how your drawings or illustrations are earning you "royaltys"... usually these are reserved for TV/ Radio / Magazine coverage and not for personal public useage.

Did this one years ago. Still getting paid.



This one did ok.



These are old. But you get the idea.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

As far as justifying theft? Well if I could copy a Ferrari and paste it in my driveway, lets just say I would.

well we can stop the conversation there then since you do not value other people's labor.

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Did this one years ago. Still getting paid.

http://prod.bsis.bellsouth.net/coDat...ECNOSCOOBY.jpg

This one did ok.

http://prod.bsis.bellsouth.net/coDat...725hitnew3.jpg

These are old. But you get the idea.

OK well thats cool, but im just trying to figure out how exactely you are losing money from internet piracy? you get paid to draw a banner or a logo etc..

Thats a very specific artwork or banner for some client... if someone else puts that on their photobucket page or myspace page how is that hurting you? If anything isnt that just expanding your audience... perhaps someone see's it and asks who did it and where they can commission the work etc.. Im just having a hard time figuring out how you are losing money through piracy as an illustrator.
We are also talking about a "right click, save as jpeg" form of downloading here which to my knowledge isnt really seen as piracy unless its used to make money elsewhere. (if it was illegal your browser would be committing a crime caching the img files)

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

well we can stop the conversation there then since you do not value other people's labor.

Thing is if everything could be copied then labour wouldn't be needed would it?

I think the problem here is people trying to make money through 1s and 0s.

Like it or not it is not the same as the tactile world.

Yeah I'd pay for an original piece of work but a copy of something is an entirely different ball game.

Regarding real life stuff though(and myself), if I ever created a device* that made peoples life easier, I'd patent it but allow people to reproduce the device for free( so long as they don't make money from doing so)

Seems fair enough to me, other people are doing the work after all why should I expect anything for them copying my idea?

*Or piece of art, music etc etc etc.

In fact I wouldn't even know if someone copied my work eh? Unless I was chasing it up, which is a waste of my time.


By the way my Avatar is an original piece of work ( although clearly based on the thundercats logo lol) feel free to download it and share it with friends, I have a high res original somewhere too!

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by twicksisted

OK well thats cool, but im just trying to figure out how exactely you are losing money from internet piracy? you get paid to draw a banner or a logo etc..

Thats a very specific artwork or banner for some client... if someone else puts that on their photobucket page or myspace page how is that hurting you? If anything isnt that just expanding your audience... perhaps someone see's it and asks who did it and where they can commission the work etc.. Im just having a hard time figuring out how you are losing money through piracy as an illustrator.

Not all work is commissioned. Some is very generic and sold through a service. When someone DLs a sample of my work and uses it for profit I get nothing. Only when they pay my distributor do I get a cut. Savvy?

Now if I can prove someone used my art without paying for it I can sue. But I cannot afford to do that all the time. It happens a LOT. But my distributer can. They are like my pimp.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

well we can stop the conversation there then since you do not value other people's labor.

That is certainly not true. That is just what the medium of the internet provides us with the capabilities to do. The labor is being done once and then being copied, but never going through the whole process of labor a second time which would be the time it was copied over and to me. I still respect the initial labor done to provide me with the art (Whatever it maybe) and still strongley support anything I enjoy from the net with my money (When financially able).

Of course the Ferrari example was merely an analogy and clearly not possible in the physical realm of things. Thus any labor done in the digital realm isn't exactly as physically exhausting as building a Ferrari.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Thing is if everything could be copied then labour wouldn't be needed would it?

I think the problem here is people trying to make money through 1s and 0s.

Like it or not it is not the same as the tactile world.

Yeah I'd pay for an original piece of work but a copy of something is an entirely different ball game.

Regarding real life stuff though(and myself), if I ever created a device that made peoples life easier, I'd patent it but allow people to reproduce the device for free( so long as they don't make money from doing so)

Seems fair enough to me, other people are doing the work after all why should I expect anything for them copying my idea?

you must not have ever worked a day in your life then. if everything is copied then nobody will make anything new because they will do all the hard work of creating a new product and other people will simply take it from them and use it without paying. if you dont get paid you cant eat. this is simple logic. im getting very scared of the this new generation...

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

you must not have ever worked a day in your life then. if everything is copied then nobody will make anything new because they will do all the hard work of creating a new product and other people will simply take it from them and use it without paying. if you dont get paid you cant eat. this is simple logic. im getting very scared of the this new generation...

Its the commie education system.