Pirate Bay Founders Stare At Jailtime as Supreme Court Rejects Appeal

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

you must not have ever worked a day in your life then. if everything is copied then nobody will make anything new because they will do all the hard work of creating a new product and other people will simply take it from them and use it without paying. if you dont get paid you cant eat. this is simple logic. im getting very scared of the this new generation...

I've worked plenty sah.

Also all the best ideas are "just taken" anyway, and you know what it done? ( Could you imagine if people never shared ideas? That would lead to stagnation without doubt ha ha)

Benefited everyone and allowed us to develop further and faster.

Free data is the way forward.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Its the commie education system.

greedy bastards

Originally Posted by pantherx12

I've worked plenty sah.

Also all the best ideas are "just taken" anyway, and you know what it done?

Benefited everyone and allowed us to develop further and faster.

Free data is the way forward.

wut? so you expect to get paid for your work but you dont expect other people too. wow seriously wow....

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

you must not have ever worked a day in your life then. if everything is copied then nobody will make anything new because they will do all the hard work of creating a new product and other people will simply take it from them and use it without paying. if you dont get paid you cant eat. this is simple logic. im getting very scared of the this new generation...

You certainly jump to drastic conclusion based on little knowledge, regarding the statement suggesting he hasn't worked a day in his life.

You are suggesting that everything being copied means no sales, while just the opposite has been shown suggesting that things being copied means more sales. I suppose it also depends on what is being copied. People aren't going to buy things they can't afford to begin with.

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

greedy bastards



wut? so you expect to get paid for your work but you dont expect other people too. wow seriously wow....

Actually no I don't, how ever I live in England so it's kind of the social norm.

Also I legally cannot live freely in this country, so you know.

I'm kinda forced to work for money rather than just build a house somewhere and farm.


I would like to live in a resource/time based economy.

I.E Filthy Hippy world.

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Not all work is commissioned. Some is very generic and sold through a service. When someone DLs a sample of my work and uses it for profit I get nothing. Only when they pay my distributor do I get a cut. Savvy?

Now if I can prove someone used my art without paying for it I can sue. But I cannot afford to do that all the time. It happens a LOT. But my distributer can. They are like my pimp.

Sorry to say but its kind of your fault for putting it online at some image library... you notice most high street shops have anti theft devices in place to deter criminals... metal bars, security guards, burgular alarms... if you care about protecting your illustrations then dont post them to an online distributor in jpeg/gif/tiff formats where they can easily be copied.

Also how are you able to verify that someone has illegally shared your artwork... isnt it just a jpeg/tiff/gif file on the interwebs? Arent most online images at digital photo librarys in low res formats for previewing and only if you pay you get the high res file?

Anyways im not trying to poke fun at you here, im just not convinced that you have suffered at the hands of internet pirates

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

I'm kinda forced to work for money rather than just build a house somewhere and farm.

you still need to pay people for the tools you use and the land you use. or should you get that for free as well?

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

greedy bastards



wut? so you expect to get paid for your work but you dont expect other people too. wow seriously wow....

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

you still need to pay people for the tools you use and the land you use. or should you get that for free as well?

That is a very narrow view of things.
You generalize work as though everyone does the same kind of work.
I get paid for my work at the office but I don't get paid for my musical work no. I share that stuff for free.

Actually my neighbor lends me his tools. Call the pirate police on me for that one.

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

you still need to pay people for the tools you use and the land you use. or should you get that for free as well?

I can make my own tools.

As for paying for land 5% of the population here owns the land, in fact one person in particular owns shit tons of it ( The Queen) why the fuck should I have to pay her?(Not that you can buy land Anyway, other wise groups of people would and then not pay tax etc, only get 100 years lease maximum)

Because people that were her ancestors once killed a bunch of people to get it?

How archaic.

Land should be something that is shared amongst people.

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Yeah I'd pay for an original piece of work but a copy of something is an entirely different ball game.

To steal something you need to take something away from someone. With filesharing you havent stolen anything as the original is still there intact with that person.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

I can make my own tools.

As for paying for land 5% of the population here owns the land, in fact one person in particular owns shit tons of it ( The Queen) why the fuck should I have to pay her?

Because people that were her ancestors once killed a bunch of people to get it?

How archaic.

Land should be something that is shared amongst people.

"The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this imposter; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody."
Jean-Jacques Rousseau

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

"The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this imposter; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody."
Jean-Jacques Rousseau

What a beautiful quote, thanks for sharing.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by twicksisted

Sorry to say but its kind of your fault for putting it online at some image library... you notice most high street shops have anti theft devices in place to deter criminals... metal bars, security guards, burgular alarms... if you care about protecting your illustrations then dont post them to an online distributor in jpeg/gif/tiff formats where they can easily be copied.

Also how are you able to verify that someone has illegally shared your artwork... isnt it just a jpeg/tiff/gif file on the interwebs? Arent most online images at digital photo librarys in low res formats for previewing and only if you pay you get the high res file?

Anyways im not trying to poke fun at you here, im just not convinced that you have suffered at the hands of internet pirates

Ok first you say I should post stuff for free exposure then you say Its my fault for getting stolen from because I posted it online. Wait what?

So because something is easy to take then I deserve to be stolen from? Well why have laws at all then? Just take what we want when we want right?I just hope you are good with a gun and have no ties to family in that world.

Oh and I have been stolen from MANY times. I've seen the suits my distributer has filed for damages.

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

"The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this imposter; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody."
Jean-Jacques Rousseau

Cool. Gimme your house.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Land should be something that is shared amongst people.

Feelings and reality are two different things whether they are fair or not. If you "pirate" something and get caught, you may get a nasty fine. I you're cought by some landowner for tresspassing on their property, you may get a bullet in the ass.

Some people need to realize that entitlement is earned, not given regardless of their feelings on the subject. I'm not making my opinion one way or the other, just stating reality.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by erocker

Feelings and reality are two different things whether they are fair or not. If you "pirate" something and get caught, you may get a nasty fine. I you're cought by some landowner for tresspassing on their property, you may get a bullet in the ass.

Some people need to realize that entitlement is earned, not given regardless of their feelings on the subject. I'm not making my opinion one way or the other, just stating reality.

Gasp you mean work for a living! THE HORROR!

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Gasp you mean work for a living! THE HORROR!

I know have you considered it as an alternative to your heavily pirated art?

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

I know have you considered it as an alternative to your heavily pirated work?

I work over 12 hours a day creating art for lazy fucks to steal and sell. I might be able to spend sometime with my family if people would just pay me for my service instead of being lazy entitlement bastards. If they worked half as hard at a job as they do making excuses they wouldnt have to pirate.

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Ok first you say I should post stuff for free exposure then you say Its my fault for getting stolen from because I posted it online. Wait what?

So because something is easy to take then I deserve to be stolen from? Well why have laws at all then? Just take what we want when we want right?I just hope you are good with a gun and have no ties to family in that world.

Oh and I have been stolen from MANY times. I've seen the suits my distributer has filed for damages.

If your local walmart left its doors open overenight do you think the insurance company would pay out after they got cleaned out? They were careless to not have secured their property properly and should accept liability.

Also no offense here but we are talking about a picture of scoobydoo and cartoon nascar drawing which can only really be used by a very few organisations of which probably already have their own stock art originals to use for free... im just not seeing how you are getting pirated and losing loads of income from your drawings. Im also not sure how you/your distributor are finding out who has right clicked and saved your image files to their hardrives.

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by erocker

Feelings and reality are two different things whether they are fair or not. If you "pirate" something and get caught, you may get a nasty fine. I you're cought by some landowner for tresspassing on their property, you may get a bullet in the ass.

Some people need to realize that entitlement is earned, not given regardless of their feelings on the subject. I'm not making my opinion one way or the other, just stating reality.

Who decides who earns what?*

Surely the very act of creating a home and cultivating the land means you have earned it.

*Rhetorical question obviously, it's banks,government and people who buy up houses and land in order to make profit.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

What a beautiful quote, thanks for sharing.

Np. Beautiful isn't it. To believe I copied and pasted the words right out of his mouth and caused such an intellectual impact on you all for free.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

I know have you considered it as an alternative to your heavily pirated art?

Wow, what an ignorant statement! So making something for a living isn't a job? Actually, I don't know why I even bothered to respond to you as it's most likely futile based on your statement.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by twicksisted

Also no offense here but we are talking about a picture of scoobydoo and cartoon nascar drawing which can only really be used by a very few organisations of which probably already have their own stock art originals to use for free... im just not seeing how you are getting pirated and losing loads of income from your drawings. Im also not sure how you/your distributor are finding out who has right clicked and saved your image files to their hardrives.

Because Im not gonna post generic stuff thats easy to steal. Want to see some of my work? Shutterstock.com.

Originally Posted by twicksisted

If your local walmart left its doors open overenight do you think the insurance company would pay out after they got cleaned out? They were careless to not have secured their property properly and should accept liability.

No but anyone caught stealing from said walmart would go to jail wouldnt they. So should pirates.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Who decides who earns what?*

Surely the very act of creating a home and cultivating the land means you have earned it.

*Rhetorical question obviously, it's banks,government and people who buy up houses and land in order to make profit.

Supply, demand and money. Communism, which is exactly what you are talking about is rather dead. I suppose you could always take up some sort of revolution and have folks join your communistic rebellion against the profiteers... Or just go stand somewhere with the so called "99%"

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by erocker

Wow, what an ignorant statement! So making something for a living isn't a job? Actually, I don't know why I even bothered to respond to you as it's most likely futile based on your statement.

I was responding to him at the same level he would respond to me. I can fluctuate like that.

Sure it is, but should it be your only means? Depending on what you do you might have to do gigs/shows or have another job that isn't just your art to make it. Unless you are really good/talented I'd recommend having a backup job.

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by erocker

Supply, demand and money. Communism, which is exactly what you are talking about is rather dead. I suppose you could always take up some sort of revolution and have folks join your communistic rebellion against the profiteers.

Actually what I'm talking about is closer to Anarchy, only with rules so not full on Anarchy.*

Someone always assumes control in an anarchy so it never works anyway

* Think of it as A democracy, only a proper one and not the faux democracy we have today.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by erocker

Supply, demand and money. Communism, which is exactly what you are talking about is rather dead. I suppose you could always take up some sort of revolution and have folks join your communistic rebellion against the profiteers... Or just go stand somewhere with the so called "99%"

That's what this comes down to. Pirates believe in slavery. Artist believe in liberty.