Pirate Bay Founders Stare At Jailtime as Supreme Court Rejects Appeal

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Because Im not gonna post generic stuff thats easy to steal. Want to see some of my work? Shutterstock.com.



No but anyone caught stealing from said walmart would go to jail wouldnt they. So should pirates.

Until the lines between the virtual world and real world blur more i think youll find that robbing a physical shop and copying a digital packet are very different.

The directors of my ISP should be locked up as their company caches the files that i browse and most websites that ive gone to have copyrighted artwork, music etc on them. Perhaps we should lock up all of the staff... maybe not the secretarys (if they sexy).

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Land should be something that is shared amongst people.

how should it be shared?

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

That's what this comes down to. Pirates believe in slavery. Artist believe in liberty.

You're either trolling or really silly, that statement is just down right wrong.

Not that I'm saying Artists don't believe in liberty, but pirates are generally the most liberal people you will meet

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

how should it be shared?

Grid system brah.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

That's what this comes down to. Pirates believe in slavery. Artist believe in liberty.

Thats very black and white.
Yeah you mean the artists that give away all their tracks for free are turning people into pirates?

Or the artists that are charging people for their pieces and restricting access to them by monetary means only believe in liberty.

I could see that working out backwards.

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

That's what this comes down to. Pirates believe in slavery. Artist believe in liberty.

you sound like you support SOPA, PIPA & ACTA yet you talk about freedom

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

You're either trolling or really silly, that statement is just down right wrong.

Not that I'm saying Artists don't believe in liberty, but pirates are generally the most liberal people you will meet





Grid system brah.

and who organizes the grid?

[erocker]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Actually what I'm talking about is closer to Anarchy, only with rules so not full on Anarchy.*

Someone always assumes control in an anarchy so it never works anyway

* Think of it as A democracy, only a proper one and not the faux democracy we have today.

Your thinking is based on "if everyone behaves themselves". In principal it's a wonderful thing, I agree.. In reality, your lovely plot of land would be quickly taken by thugs, nogooddoers, gypsies, etc..

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

and who organizes the grid?

Grids don't need organised, they are grids.

Grids by definition are organised an structure.

Originally Posted by erocker

Your thinking is based on "if everyone behaves themselves". In principal it's a wonderful thing, I agree.. In reality, your lovely plot of land would be quickly taken by thugs, nogooddoers, gypsies, etc..

No I'm not and you shouldn't assume that I believe such a thing.

Their would still be police to settle any squabbles after all.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Grids don't need organised, they are grids.

Grids by definition are organised an structure.

so you expect everyone to just adopt this grid system? how big is each grid? who decides that?

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

You're either trolling or really silly, that statement is just down right wrong.

Not that I'm saying Artists don't believe in liberty, but pirates are generally the most liberal people you will meet

Pirates believe someone should create for them so they can be entertained without paying. That's enslavement of the entertainer. Liberals believe everyone is entitled to things. That means someone has to work for them without getting anything in return. That's slavery.

Originally Posted by erocker

Your thinking is based on "if everyone behaves themselves". In principal it's a wonderful thing, I agree.. In reality, your lovely plot of land would be quickly taken by thugs, nogooddoers, gypsies, etc..

And the Mailman.

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by erocker

Your thinking is based on "if everyone behaves themselves". In principal it's a wonderful thing, I agree.. In reality, your lovely plot of land would be quickly taken by thugs, nogooddoers, gypsies, etc..

You cant make a digital copy of land... if you stole it you would have to physically take it away from someone, the same as pretty much everything except digital packets. (and possibly virginity lol).

perhaps if themailman made physical copies of his artwork and sold it in a gallery he wouldnt have to worry about internet piracy

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

so you expect everyone to just adopt this grid system? how big is each grid? who decides that?

While I'll appreciate you trying to find flaws in my system, gime a break.

Will be based on size of population and expected growth rates to say the least.

Mathematicians would decide as well as public opinion.

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Pirates believe someone should create for them so they can be entertained without paying. That's enslavement of the entertainer. Liberals believe everyone is entitled to things. That means someone has to work for them without getting anything in return. That's slavery.



And the Mailman.

Your logic is something else man ( Not a compliment by the by)

Do you honestly believe pirates expect ANYTHING?

I think you'll find they probably don't have expectations.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Pirates believe someone should create for them so they can be entertained without paying. That's enslavement of the entertainer. Liberals believe everyone is entitled to things. That means someone has to work for them without getting anything in return. That's slavery.



And the Mailman.

That's very closed minded. You automatically declare that all pirates themselves contribute nothing. That is a gross overstatement and most definitely incorrect. With that kind of logic you must be king of the world, hows that working out for ya btw?

[TheMailMan78]

My G-d why cant people just pay for things they use? Its not a hard concept.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

My G-d why cant people just pay for things they use? Its not a hard concept.

I'm not saying that. But Sharing must be a concept largely out of reach from you.

[Maelstrom]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

While I'll appreciate you trying to find flaws in my system, gime a break.

Will be based on size of population and expected growth rates to say the least.

Mathematicians would decide as well as public opinion.

Out of curiosity, how would this system be enforced?

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

While I'll appreciate you trying to find flaws in my system, gime a break.

Will be based on size of population and expected growth rates to say the least.

Mathematicians would decide as well as public opinion.

some land is much better than others in terms of growing things and building things. who decides who gets what land?

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

My G-d why cant people just pay for things they use? Its not a hard concept.

Why can't people accept that copying is not harmful at all?

Like I've said many a time, if people could copy real life stuff then they could go ahead and copy ANYTHING I have created and/or own.

They would be stupid not to.

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

some land is much better than others in terms of growing things and building things. who decides who gets what land?

There would be public forums to debate these things.

Their would be a council voted in by people ( and individuals and the whole lot can be voted out at any time given enough people complain) and the people who talk to the council will be elected representatives of geographical locations as well representatives of particular fields of work I.E Agriculture etc.

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

No but anyone caught stealing from said walmart would go to jail wouldnt they. So should pirates.

Kinda sucks that the Pirate Bay Guys probably won't huh?

TF reports that because the case originated so long ago, and the defendants' sentences are so light to begin with (all less than a year each), they may end up never stepping foot in a cell. Sweden!

[twicksisted]

lets just reiterate here... land cannot be copied

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Why can't people accept that copying is not harmful at all?

Like I've said many a time, if people could copy real life stuff then they could go ahead and copy ANYTHING I have created and/or own.

They would be stupid not to.

that's because some things are more valuable than others and the people who create things which are more valuable deserve more in return else they would not create more valuable things. this is basic undeniable human nature. we have thousands of years to show that it never ever fails.

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by twilyth

Kinda sucks that the Pirate Bay Guys probably won't huh?

they shoulvde raped someone or stolen a car instead, wouldve gotten less of a sentence

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

that's because some things are more valuable than others and the people who create things which are more valuable deserve more in return else they would not create more valuable things. this is basic undeniable human nature. we have thousands of years to show that it never ever fails.

Sharing like on the web just gives access to more content to everyone of all Social and Economic classes whereby money would restrict access too.

People creating things of value will still obtain income by those who see the value in it and since it is an art the value of it is relative to begin with. Some people would rather pay more for some art and others less. Since art is relative in nature it doesn't make since to fix a price on it to begin with.

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

that's because some things are more valuable than others and the people who create things which are more valuable deserve more in return else they would not create more valuable things. this is basic undeniable human nature. we have thousands of years to show that it never ever fails.

who exactely determines the value of an item... the large record label or movie studio? and if the times that we live in mean that the item no longer has a value arent the large corporations just using this as a reason to carry on making a profit instead of letting technology grow and possibly benefit them.

surely since the days of the VHS cassette when all of the movie studios were shaking in their boots they have made huge profits as people began watching movies at home... remember that new technology allows for different business opportunities (iflix, netflix, lovefilm etc...)... Lets not allow some large corporations police the internet and buy favour with politicians who will censor it

(that will eventually lead to this website and many others not allowing users content or posts)

EDIT: lets remember that many years ago salt was incredibly expensive, it had a purpose (keeping meat fresh, seasoning etc...) nowdays its practically worth nothing.. time moves on unless people make laws to change that and halt progress

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by Maelstrom

Out of curiosity, how would this system be enforced?

Men with large sticks will come and mess people up of course!
Just like today!

/sarcasm.

In all seriousness, I am just one person pulling answers out my arse right now, this sort of thing takes more planning and more discussion then what is going on here.

So again I ask for people to give me a break regarding this, perhaps one day I'll do a huge write up and do a whole bunch of math for everyone to enjoy.

But for now my brain is frazzled.

Been at work today after all