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Old Feb 10, 2012, 03:45 PM   #26
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Or you could just read reviews and make back ups of your physical disks....you know like what people used to do BEFORE stealing was viewed as ok because people are cheap and lazy?
hop down off that high horse of yours
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Mindless trolling man. Any non-mod could get in trouble for that sort of stuff... you're as corrupt as TPB owners...
Its not a troll. Its a fact. Its a tool for junkies. Torrent junkies.

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High horse? Because I believe in personal responsibility and hard work I'm on a high horse? Ill tell you what man. When the S#!t hits the fan people who subscribe to this "everything should be free" attitude are gonna have a rude awakening.
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I don't own a TV and even if I did, I still wouldn't be able to watch all the TV shows I am downloading from torrent sites. So yes, long live Pirate Bay!!!!
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Its not a troll. Its a fact. Its a tool for junkies. Torrent junkies.
You're a hypocrite man. You're acting like you never download a torrent in your entire life. Stop trolling others.
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You're a hypocrite man. You're acting like you never download a torrent in your entire life. Stop trolling others.
I have never used a torrent in my life. I don't even know how. No joke.
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Old Feb 10, 2012, 03:54 PM   #31
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Torrenting isn't ok. However the copyright laws we have aren't ok either. Nor are the content delivery platforms we (don't) have.

Spotify and the like will eventually be CD quality, lossless. Eventually all artists will be on it, and at that point there's simply no need for piracy as long as you can subscribe for a small amount.

If they can do it with music then they can do it with TV and movies too. They're already starting to go there with Netflix and Lovefilm etc. They'll get there in the end.

If you think about it, 10 years ago what band wouldn't release on CD? None (if you exclude exceptions like people doing vinyl only etc). So what company won't release on whatever content delivery networks we get? None.

At that point when piracy is pretty much pointless then it'll be a choice of a Netflix subscription or some kind of shady competitor based in in a BRIC country, where the service isn't quite as good.

Until then someone who isn't me (SWIM) has a slice of a server in a hosting company in another country used as a seedbox and a SSH tunnel, and only ever connects to it highly encrypted.. and SWIM doesn't pay for media.
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Or you could just read reviews and make back ups of your physical disks....you know like what people used to do BEFORE stealing was viewed as ok because people are cheap and lazy?
Those setup discs are usually copy protected so something like Nero won't clone them, therefore, what legal backup can you make then?

Just go out and buy it all over again (if it's even still available). Yeah, sure, like that's a reasonable demand to make...

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I have never used a torrent in my life. I don't even know how. No joke.
Seriously man, you should try it, just so you get a feel for how it works - it's just another protocol after all. And no, I'm not trying to encourage you to pirate or troll you. Grab something totally legit like a Linix distro or something to see how it works. BitTorrent is a fantastic system and watching it in action is fascinating.
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- it's just another protocol after all. Grab something totally legit like a Linix distro or something to see how it works. BitTorrent is a fantastic system and watching it in action is fascinating.
Can't argue with that.
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Piracy will exist in full swing until companies get the point....I'm not looking for free shit but I'm not gonna pay for cable so I can pay for an additional channel so I can watch 1 stinkin show!...

When they catch up with technology and let the old ways go Piracy will fizzle to a minimum but it will always exist.
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Those setup discs are usually copy protected so something like Nero won't clone them, therefore, what legal backup can you make then?

Just go out and buy it all over again (if it's even still available). Yeah, sure, like that's a reasonable demand to make...
OR you could just take better care of your stuff. You break a TV doesnt mean you can go to the store and take a new one for free.
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Can't argue with that.
For what? I dont need anything I cannot afford.
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Does it matter, really ? Their marketing sux, no clue how to innovate and go with flow / internet. Let them drown in their stupidness. This is disgusting.

And a nice finger from the PB.
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Let's keep this discussion civil.
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I have never used a torrent in my life. I don't even know how. No joke.
Same here. I just find shareware/trial and if it's good I buy it. Then again I don't really listen to music or movies.

No viruses or other BS when you buy legit from the manf. either. I have never pirated a game in my life either, I don't see the point when you can grab them off steam on sale for next to nothing anyway.

However one does have to admire the work and ingenuity that went into that thing though.
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OR you could just take better care of your stuff. You break a TV doesnt mean you can go to the store and take a new one for free.
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If you could copy a TV at home you wouldnt have to! And just fot your information, you CAN get a new TV if you break it, its called extended warranty where i come from, and its only like 50€, for a 1000€ TV!
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OR you could just take better care of your stuff. You break a TV doesnt mean you can go to the store and take a new one for free.
If a TV could be 'backed up' or downloaded for little or no extra cost, you bet your ass I'd expect a new one for free.
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Same here. I just find shareware/trial and if it's good I buy it. Then again I don't really listen to music or movies.

No viruses or other BS when you buy legit from the manf. either. I have never pirated a game in my life either, I don't see the point when you can grab them off steam on sale for next to nothing anyway.

However one does have to admire the work and ingenuity that went into that thing though.
For sure. Its VERY cool. Gotta give em that!
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OR you could just take better care of your stuff. You break a TV doesnt mean you can go to the store and take a new one for free.
Damn, that's flawed in just so many ways. Whatever.

And seriously, try BitTorrent, it'll cost you nothing and you might find it illuminating.
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For what? I dont need anything I cannot afford.
Then you are more fortunate than most Americans. I would classify post secondary education as a need and there is a lot of people who can't afford that.
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OR you could just take better care of your stuff. You break a TV doesnt mean you can go to the store and take a new one for free.
For what? I dont need anything I cannot afford.
The media your software ships in is just a 'container'. If you bought a copy of Windows and happened to break its media (evil cat scratched the hell out of it), then it's not only ethical, but also legal to get an .iso from a torrent-site, burn it, and use the key your copy came with when installing the software.

Now if your cat was an evil reincarnation of Hitler that is plotting to kill you, and also happened to scratch off the key sticker, then I guess it's 'ethical' to download a crack, you know you paid for the software. And later deal with the cat.
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The media your software ships in is just a 'container'. If you bought a copy of Windows and happened to break its media (evil cat scratched the hell out of it), then it's not only ethical, but also legal to get an .iso from a torrent-site, burn it, and use the key your copy came with when installing the software.

Now if your cat was an evil reincarnation of Hitler, and also happened to scratch off the key sticker, then I guess it's 'ethical' to download a crack, you know you paid for the software.
Damn right, well said.

Especially that evil Hitler cat...
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Oh and what about a Machine Limit?

That's like saying that you went down to a Stereo shop and had a custom made speaker box made for your car and having to pay the guy for it again when you get another car...It's just plain stupid.
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For what? I dont need anything I cannot afford.
The point is there is also some good, free software as well such as Linux distros avail over BT as it's the best protocol for distributing large files which is why it's the pirate's protocol of choice. The decentralized nature is simply how it works so well and effectively; it wasn't designed and implemented that way specifically in order to more easily and safely share copyrighted material.

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OR you could just take better care of your stuff. You break a TV doesnt mean you can go to the store and take a new one for free.
That is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have ever seen when it comes to digital content. You are paying for your personal right to that content not only whatever physical media it may be distributed on.
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