Pirate Bay Unveils "Portable Site", RIAA/MPAA's Worst Nightmare Weighs 90 Megabytes

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by btarunr

That kind of media-replacement is a scam on companies' part. What they're essentially doing is making you pay for what is essentially part of the packaging of the software. Software is not a physical object. The disc the software ships in is not software, it's like the plastic jewel-case the disc ships in, which is like the paperboard cover the jewel-case ships in.

One exception would be software that's shipped on Sony DADC SecuROM discs, in such cases, the media is also a component in the software (part of its DRM), and so it would be fair to buy replacement media from companies for a nominal fee.

Of course,...I'm just saying that it's not nessecary to resort to a torrent or whatever to get repalcement media.

I don't mind paying $20 for someone to stuff an envelope and send it my way, scam or not.


But also, I'm that guy working for TPU for nodda. So maybe my perspective is invalid to many. Oh well.




BTW, it's written in the lawbooks here that obtaining alternative media, if you purchased a software, is 100% legal. As is circumventing DRM if the DRM is problematic, or comes on a USB fob that is no longer produced. I'm not going to argue that side of things at all, just saying that that is not the only avenue of recourse.

[WhiteLotus]

Originally Posted by qubit

Oh yeah, so just how am I 'ignorant'? lol. Let's see if you can give a straight answer to this one.

My post is quite clear for anyone to understand and sets the record straight...

You do not understand his, or my own, objections to pirating and the whole moral "high ground" we take on the matter is in fact showing other people the lack of morals that they have.

The whole "I have the right to <insert whatever>" is completely and utterly misguided. No body has the right to ANYTHING.

[Wrigleyvillain]

In response to erocker--Yeah a welfare state combined with corporate crooks and too much stupid risk and speculation.

For the record, this has not been the case in Germany for a couple few decades which is why they have their heads well above water and probably will have to bail out these other schmucks like Greece or the EU is in a bad way.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by WhiteLotus

You do not understand his, or my own, objections to pirating and the whole moral "high ground" we take on the matter is in fact showing other people the lack of morals that they have.

The whole "I have the right to <insert whatever>" is completely and utterly misguided. No body has the right to ANYTHING.

Ok, fine. I was just correcting your thought that MM had never pirated. He had and now doesn't - a reformed character, if you like - that's all, so you shouldn't feel so bad about the fact you did.

Regarding that moral high ground...

Rights holders are by no means squeaky clean in this area, by a long shot. Generally, these big companies, fronted by their odious RIAA/MPAA make out that no matter what they do to inconvenience customers (enter draconian DRM, Ubisoft shutting down DRM servers for maintenance, good example) whether they have legitimately lost media, just wanna play a game on a different computer etc etc, unauthorised downloading is wrong under all circumstances, has lost them sales (gimme a break) and should be punished with the absolute ultimate in draconian punishments. Heck, they'd probably call for the death sentence if they could. Let's face it, the likes of the RIAA/MPAA are calling for this kind of sh*t (not the death sentence - yet?) and it's total BS. They would stick you in the slammer for the rest of your life though and nail you for millions in alleged, ie made up, unverifiable 'damages'.

That isn't even the worst of it. Sites like Techdirt often expose hypocrisies of those very same f* 'rights holders' abusing others by doing the same things themselves, plagiarising work, claiming copyright on public doman works and that of others in some instances (yes, those YouTube takedowns reported by Techdirt of works that aren't even theres are a fine example) and lots and lots of other BS abuses.

What it's really about, is ultimate control of distribution, with those big media companies acting as the gatekeepers to all content that you consume. Conversely, that means, that no artist of any kind could produce art (music, acting, paintings, whatever) without signing some horrendously one-sided contract where they give all their rights away to these companies in the hope of making some money from their craft. If you think I'm wrong, then you really need to take a closer look at this.

[Rowsol]

This was a good read.

[Steevo]

Fries, not chips.


Yes, we are not paying for the media like we pay for a car, we are paying for the use of the content on the media, much like renting a car with unlimited miles.

[xBruce88x]

I thought about it... and realized that if i truely responded to this it'd be an epic wall of text similar to my writing portion of my high school graduation tests ( a good two pages or more) so i will simply throw some quotes out there with a short response.

Originally Posted by btarunr

The media your software ships in is just a 'container'. If you bought a copy of Windows and happened to break its media (evil cat scratched the hell out of it), then it's not only ethical, but also legal to get an .iso from a torrent-site, burn it, and use the key your copy came with when installing the software..

+1

Originally Posted by mtosev

I mostly download back ups of the stuff I own. cds/dvds get damaged, i'm lazy to rip my cds/dvds, i downloaded stuff while waiting for my orders to arrive via the post office. over 90% of my stuff is legal. too bad companies don't provide a way for customers to download legal back up copies of the stuff they legally own.

Some do, Valve/Steam, EA's Origin (i think, haven't actually used it), Blizzard, and GOG.com to name a few. As for others... that's what TPB is for. downloading a copy of the software that you own a license to use is not stealing... since you're copying the data, not moving it from the developer/publisher's server to your computer, and assuming you have a "key" or license to use said software (that you paid for, not a keygen of course). I almost wish music cd's had keys with them... since your pretty much paying for the right to listen to the music any time you want via the media. but i guess that's what things like iTunes and the like are for.

Originally Posted by Rowsol

This was a good read.

Indeed it was.

[mtosev]

i use gog.com too. i was talking about when you buy psysical stuff like cds/dvds. most of the stuff i own i can't legaly download if the cd brakes.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by xBruce88x

I almost wish music cd's had keys with them... since your pretty much paying for the right to listen to the music any time you want via the media. but i guess that's what things like iTunes and the like are for.

iTunes used to offer one-time-only downloads of purchased media. Now you may download your purchased media as often as needed(which isn't often for most), so in a way your request has already been answered, to a degree.

[a_ump]

lmfao hahaha, this is fucking great! I don't support the idea of stealing, but i don't support the idea of total control, which i feel in America is most definitely starting to bear down upon it's citizens and business peoples. What can i say, i enjoy seeing my own government getting smacked in the face for tryin to control the internet. Yes i've read, other countries make their own decisions, but IMO America's government is THE biggest reason for this recent push to basically control the internet and what's on it.

[jmcslob]

Originally Posted by WhiteLotus

The whole "I have the right to <insert whatever>" is completely and utterly misguided.

And I think a simple extension of an existing product and copyrighting or claiming it as your own is misguided~to some degree...
Yes I believe people should be rewarded for their work but I think they or some corporation should only have the right to hold onto to that extension for a limited amount of time...

It's currently 50 years after the life of the original Author/Creator/Artist and 75 years for Corporations.
Copyright Term Extension Act

Those laws are meant to encourage creativity and innovation and I just don't see how that's possible. If anything they are discouraging..

It's nothing more than Corporate Welfare.....and as far as the artists go they either need to keep creating or go broke...There should be no reason for them to rest on their laurels....Imagine if everyone was treated equally on those regards...mechanics could retire after fixing three or four cars but I think we all know that's absolutely ridiculous and so are the laws that protect Intellectual Properties....

[Delta6326]

I support torrents... Just not illegal torrents

[DannibusX]

I can't wait for the day that the internet allows me to download an extra inch or two.

[Bjorn_Of_Iceland]

hahaha! in yo face RIAA/MPAA

[kid41212003]

people simply love seeing piratebay pissing off these greedy evil corps

they get rich by leeching and controlling the artists

new artists sign contracts that put them in a bad spot, but they will get mass marketing in return

think about that... singers that don't really sound good still get famous while some sound really good but aren't

[Yo_Wattup]

Originally Posted by mechtech

Same here. I just find shareware/trial and if it's good I buy it. Then again I don't really listen to music or movies.

No viruses or other BS when you buy legit from the manf. either. I have never pirated a game in my life either, I don't see the point when you can grab them off steam on sale for next to nothing anyway.

However one does have to admire the work and ingenuity that went into that thing though.

I have never gotten a virus from downloading anything. Whoever gets viruses on any computer system s a n00b.

I am like you with the shareware/trial thing, only my version of the shareware is the entire illegal copy of it. If it's good, I'll buy the product. Examples include BF3, Skyrim, Hard Reset, Dead Island etc etc; all of which I bought after pirating. If there weren't so many shit/overpriced games, these days, I wouldn't need to do this. An example would be Just Cause 2; saw this for $70 in EB games the other day, so I went home and pirated it, and it turned out to be a great pile of steaming turd. I don't like paying $70 for faeces. At least with other products, you know what you get before you buy it, not with games/software.

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

http://tpucdn.com/forums/customavata...ar43587_25.gif

I love Fish and chips!

Am am now cooking fish and chips solely because of this post.

[dude12564]

Originally Posted by kid41212003

people simply love seeing piratebay pissing off these greedy evil corps

they get rich by leeching and controlling the artists

new artists sign contracts that put them in a bad spot, but they will get mass marketing in return

think about that... singers that don't really sound good still get famous while some sound really good but aren't

The irony of this world.

[Mussels]

in a world where game companies make sure there is no try before you buy option (demos) and no refunds once you do buy (single use CD keys/DLC codes, etc and attempts to kill off second hand console market - PC second hand market is long dead), they wonder why people resort to piracy.


as much as some artists like themailman rant about how they want protection, the point is simple - the current system offers no such thing. you should be twice as motivated as any casual pirate to get the system changed, because you and the consumers of your 'art' are simply not protected, only big business is.

[AphexDreamer]

Oh my the industries are in for certain doom now. Chaos will rain dear lord the Mayans were right!

No one will work, no one will make money, the economy will bust and the world will end!

2012 all from 90MB of Data on a 512MB FlashDrive. 512 + 90 + 1410 = 2012!!!!

DOOOOOM DOOOOOOOOOOM! DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

All hail the mighty Drive

[w3b]

If people could forgive the immaturity of this post might I simply say to the MAFIAA:

"Check Mate"

...and I don't even use torrents

Great thread, carry on with the top quality posts

[TurdFergasun]

Originally Posted by Mussels

in a world where game companies make sure there is no try before you buy option (demos) and no refunds once you do buy (single use CD keys/DLC codes, etc and attempts to kill off second hand console market - PC second hand market is long dead), they wonder why people resort to piracy.


as much as some artists like themailman rant about how they want protection, the point is simple - the current system offers no such thing. you should be twice as motivated as any casual pirate to get the system changed, because you and the consumers of your 'art' are simply not protected, only big business is.

Problem is most artists see the golden trough and all the pigs in the media gorging themselves insatiably on profits, and they want their piece of the pie before the show's over. There is no objective viewpoint, they're just not willing to bite the hand that they hope will feed them one day. Anti p2p artists are no less on the entitelment bandwagon than those they're pointing fingers at, except they're willing to sacrifice your democratic freedoms, so that their potential lottery ticket stays nice and fat.

[Bundy]

Apologies to the moralists in this thread but HAHAHA I am sooo pleased the TPB did this. The answer to the piracy problem is not to kill the pirates (there are too many of them), it is to remove the desire to pirate. That might happen if prices were dropped a little.

[pr0n Inspector]

Originally Posted by Bundy

Apologies to the moralists in this thread but HAHAHA I am sooo pleased the TPB did this. The answer to the piracy problem is not to kill the pirates (there are too many of them), it is to remove the desire to pirate. That might happen if prices were dropped a little.

Why would a shameless person pay for something that he can get for free?

[Yo_Wattup]

Originally Posted by pr0n Inspector

Why would a shameless person pay for something that he can get for free?

Because software is way overpriced, but paid software almost always has advantages over pirated software (eg. online play for games) and if they were priced appropriately, people would buy the actual software because it'd be worth it.

[Prima.Vera]

One question for the moralists: If I borrow a music CD or an original DVD with some game or a BluRay, does it mean I am pirating???? torrents do EXACTLY the same thing, only at a bigger scale. Wake up people, sharing is NOT pirating.