Pirate Bay Founders Stare At Jailtime as Supreme Court Rejects Appeal

[jmcslob]

I think before my GOVT continues with this BS and other countries continue letting them the idea of Piracy needs to be re-evaluated.


I believe that most forms of art and other types of Intellectual Properties are simply an extension of something that already exists.
Here is a perfect example


You can use an image to create your own as long as you don't profit from it...
But if you use said image to profit even if changed it is Piracy unless you get permission from the original creator.
Example:

This would be Piracy as the Image is clearly a play off of the original.

Where do you stop or start protecting...
The idea is to protect Intellectual Property to make it easier people to continue innovating and creating.

But I think the protections we are offering are stifling the creation and innovation we mean to protect.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

I think before my GOVT continues with this BS and other countries continue letting them the idea of Piracy needs to be re-evaluated.


I believe that most forms of art and other types of Intellectual Properties are simply an extension of something that already exists.
Here is a perfect example
http://img.techpowerup.org/120209/example.png

You can use an image to create your own as long as you don't profit from it...
But if you use said image to profit even if changed it is Piracy unless you get permission from the original creator.
Example:
http://img.techpowerup.org/120209/piracy.png
This would be Piracy as the Image is clearly a play off of the original.

Where do you stop or start protecting...
The idea is to protect Intellectual Property to make it easier people to continue innovating and creating.

But I think the protections we are offering are stifling the creation and innovation we mean to protect.

But I am the original creator?

[jmcslob]

So you didn't base that off of another very similar image/emblem? as in colored differently? without a TPU logo? and different wording?

[erocker]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

So you didn't base that off of another very similar image/emblem? as in colored differently? without a TPU logo? and different wording?

He did not. Other than the actual words "Techpowerup", that is his original work.

[jmcslob]

Did he copyright the image?

Originally Posted by jmcslob

Did he copyright the image?

I was all ready to jump in here and say 'See, see. Lawyers suck huh? Well, who you gonna call now bitch?'

Except I figured it might be nice to have some actual . . . ummm, what do you call it? Oh, right. I figured it would be nice to have actual facts first. When I did a quick search, I was very, very disappointed.

Copyright for artists.

Question: How Do You Copyright a Painting? Can You Copyright a Painting Idea?
Answer: As soon as you've created something in a tangible form, you have copyright on it. If it's still an idea, you can't copyright it, but as soon as you've painted it, you have copyright on it but, importantly, it's the way you've executed the idea that can be copyrighted, not the idea itself. You don't need to register copyright for it to exist. If you've created something for an employer or as work for hire, copyright belongs to them. (Though in the US to sue for copyright infringement, registration makes it less tricky.)

A good way to make the ownership of copyright clear to anyone who buys a painting from you is to do what artist Karen McConnell does: "I sell most all of my original paintings with a 'Statement of Value' which includes (1) date of sale (2) price paid (3) whether it was purchased framed or unframed and (4) notice that copyright for the work remains with the artist. At the bottom of the form is a place for dated signatures from both myself and the purchaser. I keep a copy, they keep a copy."

Go to Full Artist's Copyright FAQ.

[johnspack]

My flight sim, Rise of Flight, because it's a small company, and produced an obscure market product, as in WW1 flight sim, relies heavily on torrents ect to distrubute its demo version, and even updates. I've invested over $150 into this incredible product, because I believe in it, and thoroughly enjoy flying it. If this ap2p crap kills my sim, I am going to be incredibly pissed.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by twilyth

I was all ready to jump in here and say 'See, see. Lawyers suck huh? Well, who you gonna call now bitch?'

Except I figured it might be nice to have some actual . . . ummm, what do you call it? Oh, right. I figured it would be nice to have actual facts first. When I did a quick search, I was very, very disappointed.

Copyright for artists.

You could have just asked.....been doing it for over 15 years.

Originally Posted by jmcslob

Did he copyright the image?

I bet you really thought you had me too did ya? lol

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by jmcslob

So you didn't base that off of another very similar image/emblem? as in colored differently? without a TPU logo? and different wording?

What makes you say that?

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

What makes you say that?

http://www.specialforces.com/image/d...039-large1.jpg

A skull with a cap isn't a new idea. But mine is an original painting of that idea. What you posted is irrelevant. I can show you 100 more skulls with cap. Thats like saying music is copyrighted because it has notes it in. I mean you guys are really grabbing at straws now.


Oh and on a side note I draw MUCH BETTER realistic skulls then that.



This is another one of my designs.

[brandonwh64]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

A skull with a cap isn't a new idea. But mine is an original painting of that idea. What you posted is irrelevant. I can show you 100 more skulls with cap. Thats like saying music is copyrighted because it has notes it in. I mean you guys are really grabbing at straws now.


Oh and on a side note I draw MUCH BETTER realistic skulls then that.

That has happened a couple of times, One in particular is Vanilla Ice and Queen with Ice Ice Baby

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

That has happened a couple of times, One in particular is Vanilla Ice and Queen with Ice Ice Baby

Oh yeah because it was an EXACT copy. Nothing near original.

[brandonwh64]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Oh yeah because it was an EXACT copy. Nothing near original.

LOL vanilla ice tried to play it off like it has a different sound... BS I just listened to both and it was EXACTLY the same!

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

A skull with a cap isn't a new idea. But mine is an original painting of that idea. What you posted is irrelevant. I can show you 100 more skulls with cap. Thats like saying music is copyrighted because it has notes it in. I mean you guys are really grabbing at straws now.

HOLY SHIT BALLS!

I think that's the first time I've successfully trolled you

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

HOLY SHIT BALLS!

I think that's the first time I've successfully trolled you

Naaaaa Just wanted to make sure people don't take a troll as truth. I knew what you were doing ya bastid!

By the way did you like my pirate skull?

[silkstone]

All art has inspiration. Why shouldn't the person inspiring get paid too? The rest is arbitrary.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by silkstone

All art has inspiration. Why shouldn't the person inspiring get paid too? The rest is arbitrary.

I pay Jack Daniels all the time.

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

By the way did you like my pirate skull?

Yeah man, right clicked and saved!

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Yeah man, right clicked and saved!

lolololol Thats owned by someone else now. Be careful.

[REAYTH]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

A skull with a cap isn't a new idea. But mine is an original painting of that idea. What you posted is irrelevant. I can show you 100 more skulls with cap. Thats like saying music is copyrighted because it has notes it in. I mean you guys are really grabbing at straws now.


Oh and on a side note I draw MUCH BETTER realistic skulls then that.



This is another one of my designs.
http://img.techpowerup.org/120210/Pirate-Skull087.jpg

Im sorry was there a difference between the 2 or did i miss something??

[jmcslob]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

You could have just asked.....been doing it for over 15 years.



I bet you really thought you had me too did ya? lol

No...I'm not trying to get you at anything...I'm trying to point out how ridiculous the laws regarding IP is...It's not geared toward the original artist nor the consumer...it seems to be geared towards CORPs...

[twicksisted]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

lolololol Thats owned by someone else now. Be careful.

Ok, seriously now… enough with the whole “I’m a massive victim of internet piracy with my drawings”…

You draw some pictures that are only perhaps valuable for a specific useage that the average person on the street would never actually pay for…. Movies and music albums on the other hand have an actual value if packaged correctly for the average joe on the street and are catered for them specifically.

If you want to sell your artwork to the average person on the street you need to put them in a frame and sell them as physical copies somewhere and stop bitching that you have uploaded it to the internets and someone has saved it to their hardrive.

I don’t mean to be rude but a couple of drawings in paintshop pro or photoshop is a very specific item and only commercially viable to some entity who wants to perhaps use it for their specific business useage as a logo or advert, banner etc…(or they wouldn’t need to pay for it in the first place and just draw it themselves).

If you have been specifically commissioned to draw something by a person or company, then you draw it, give it to them & get paid, simple…. After that it belongs to that company as you sold it and if someone else pirates it it has nothing to do with you.

What I think is more likely here is that there’s probably not a whole bunch of companies lining up around each other to commission your artwork and you are just drawing a bunch of stuff, uploading it to some image stock library or aggregator in the hope that some company wants to use your picture on their website or advertising campaign and then pay you lots of money for it. If that’s the case and any of your artwork actually gets used for anything profitable then the image library or aggregator would seek the funds from that entity by threatening them with a lawsuit or similar action.

Actually if that is the case and the average joe on the street wants to right click and save as on your pics then you should feel good about that and encourage it, thats how you get a market and reach people… why should they pay for it if they not going to do anything except look at it? You think you are Picasso… youd need to die first, wait for a hundred years and have art worthy of that status im afraid

So this brings me back to the point… how is this damaging you so intensely that you feel as enraged by the whole internet piracy thing as you appear to be… or is it a bit of ego tripping telling us about you fantastic ability and how much money you are potentially missing you because large corporations around the globe are pirating your works and using them in large advertising campaigns?



EDIT: wow this appeared to be a massive flame on you personally... i apologise, it wasnt a personal attack as much as a bullshit splicer... i donty like bullshit much ... sorry

[F1reFly]

if i made my own digital image/logo with thoughts of selling or caring about my copyrights...i sure as heck wouldnt up the full size version of it. just a low res thumbnail on a website with right click disabled or something.

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by twicksisted

Ok, seriously now… enough with the whole “I’m a massive victim of internet piracy with my drawings”…

You draw some pictures that are only perhaps valuable for a specific useage that the average person on the street would never actually pay for…. Movies and music albums on the other hand have an actual value if packaged correctly for the average joe on the street and are catered for them specifically.

If you want to sell your artwork to the average person on the street you need to put them in a frame and sell them as physical copies somewhere and stop bitching that you have uploaded it to the internets and someone has saved it to their hardrive.

I don’t mean to be rude but a couple of drawings in paintshop pro or photoshop is a very specific item and only commercially viable to some entity who wants to perhaps use it for their specific business useage as a logo or advert, banner etc…(or they wouldn’t need to pay for it in the first place and just draw it themselves).

If you have been specifically commissioned to draw something by a person or company, then you draw it, give it to them & get paid, simple…. After that it belongs to that company as you sold it and if someone else pirates it it has nothing to do with you.

What I think is more likely here is that there’s probably not a whole bunch of companies lining up around each other to commission your artwork and you are just drawing a bunch of stuff, uploading it to some image stock library or aggregator in the hope that some company wants to use your picture on their website or advertising campaign and then pay you lots of money for it. If that’s the case and any of your artwork actually gets used for anything profitable then the image library or aggregator would seek the funds from that entity by threatening them with a lawsuit or similar action.

Actually if that is the case and the average joe on the street wants to right click and save as on your pics then you should feel good about that and encourage it, thats how you get a market and reach people… why should they pay for it if they not going to do anything except look at it? You think you are Picasso… youd need to die first, wait for a hundred years and have art worthy of that status im afraid

So this brings me back to the point… how is this damaging you so intensely that you feel as enraged by the whole internet piracy thing as you appear to be… or is it a bit of ego tripping telling us about you fantastic ability and how much money you are potentially missing you because large corporations around the globe are pirating your works and using them in large advertising campaigns?



EDIT: wow this appeared to be a massive flame on you personally... i apologise, it wasnt a personal attack as much as a bullshit splicer... i donty like bullshit much ... sorry

Oh I didn't take it personal. You don't know what I do for a living and are basing all of your theories off of a few dated jpegs. I can't be mad at the fact your ignorant of a situation or how an industry works in the slightest sense. You don't work in it. You couldn't know. Like most other people who support theft and make excuses you are trying to justify a position you know for a fact is wrong by belittling someone who exposes you. Someone it does effect. I agree. I don't like bullshit anymore then you do.

Edit: Also its not an ego when I can back it up. I bet most people on this forum has worn my art or purchased something with my designs on it in the past.

Originally Posted by F1reFly

if i made my own digital image/logo with thoughts of selling or caring about my copyrights...i sure as heck wouldnt up the full size version of it. just a low res thumbnail on a website with right click disabled or something.

That art has been bought and paid for. I have permission from the owner to display it as I'm the creator. If someone uses it they have to face the corporation not me.

[theoneandonlymrk]

i think your too much on one side their MM, I do in all honesty buy a lot of games ,this is easy to check as my id is allways the same and steams easy to see, yeh some have more, but ive a dvd rack full of original old hardcopy games too and i buy on a monthly basis what i fancy that month, but some games that have no demo out and are not my cup of tea i may try before i buy , i dont shed a tear since ive 5 games that wont start at the min due to Being original (yet to sort via email Again) or i may have to crack them, and if i dont buy it i dont play past a quick go hr tops

i prirate nothing ,sell or give to no one and i dont art, writing or style copy anyone or anything,

it could be argued that some of the news on here was grabbed off other sites, a form of piracy, im just happy their here to read

Originally Posted by jmcslob

But I think the protections we are offering are stifling the creation and innovation we mean to protect.

a good argument in a way, imagine the inovations that arnt being made due to closed doors and corporate secrecy, i work for a mass spec company making instruments for science and i cant help but ponder how fast the cutting edge would move on if all coóperated