AMD Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1 GB

[Fourstaff]

Once you factor in the power consumption costs its not that bad. We will need to wait for Nvidia to come out with something interesting to restart the price war.

[NdMk2o1o]

Well I am not liking what I am seeing from both camps with every new gen, looks like I will have to wait another 2 gens to upgrade as to make it worthwhile unless I want to spend $400+ on a new card every year for any kind of "substantial" increase

This is a tad better than a 5770/6770 which both launched at the same god damned price, so for 3 years they have been selling customers the same performance at the same price, bullshit if you ask me.

[Yellow&Nerdy?]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Once you factor in the power consumption costs its not that bad. We will need to wait for Nvidia to come out with something interesting to restart the price war.

Yes, but for a next gen card, you would at least expect it to perform as well as the old gen card in it's price range, while consuming less power. Otherwise it's kind of pointless producing that next gen card, eh?

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Yellow&Nerdy?

Yes, but for a next gen card, you would at least expect it to perform as well as the old gen card in it's price range, while consuming less power. Otherwise it's kind of pointless producing that next gen card, eh?

No, most of the "new gen" cards come with a price premium, and it gradually falls as competition forces the price downwards. Sometimes it takes almost half a year for the premium to go away, with exceptions of the 58xx series where it absolutely dominated everything else.

[Supercrit]

OH YES 6850's performance with GTX 560's price
AMD lost the last bit of my respect from the 4850 era.

[xenocide]

This is a really bad product. Other than the very low power usage, there is no reason to buy either the 7770 or 7750. I can't wait for Nvidia to launch their new series so either I can get a reasonably priced Nvidia product, or the prices level out based on performance. The non-reference version of these cards are selling upwards of $200, and they perform on par for 6850's which cost $130-140. Tisk Tisk.

[beautyless]

Cards looks OK (in its positions). But the prices are not reasonably. I'm not happy with it.

[Isenstaedt]

Hopefully future drivers can increase the 7700 series performance.

[kid41212003]

the score is biased

it should be sub 8/10

[ArchStupid]

Originally Posted by kid41212003

the score is biased

it should be sub 8/10

Damn straight, that is a horrible card.
IMO tt should be sub 7 at the very least, though I guess W1zz would rather not piss AMD off hehe.

This card is useless... A mid card with FAR worse performance / price ratio than the last generation. What The F AMD.

[Delta6326]

Nice this beats my first 4850 and is close to the same price I paid for it with much lower power consumption.

I hope someone comes out with a passive or single slot version!

I don't see why people complain about price of new tech that has been out for less than one day and isn't even on newegg.com to give a real price. Whether that will be higher or lower I don't know.

I find it's performance to be not to bad its a third tier card that has close performance to the last gens second tier with less power consumption, granted I do wish it at least beat the 6850.

[ArchStupid]

Originally Posted by Delta6326

Nice this beats my first 4850 and is close to the same price I paid for it with much lower power consumption.

I hope someone comes out with a passive or single slot version!

I don't see why people complain about price of new tech that has been out for less than one day and isn't even on newegg.com to give a real price. Whether that will be higher or lower I don't know.

I find it's performance to be not to bad its a third tier card that has close performance to the last gens second tier with less power consumption, granted I do wish it at least beat the 6850.

Is it really that hard to understand why?
It's because it shows what kind of business model AMD is trying to create.

A new generation mid-range card that is more expensive and less performant than previous generation cards released more than a year and a half ago.

There is no excuse.

[sergionography]

Originally Posted by Shinshin

Such a shame it cost too much...
Or at least, more than the 6850 which is a bit disappointing...

7770 Such a lovely number...
AMD - please let loose of the prices!

well we are comparing launch price with cards that are over a year old, give it a couple month and they will be cheap

tho it makes s

Originally Posted by DarkOCean

I am the only one who thinks these should have been named 7670 and 7570 sice they consume very little power (especially 7750), perf its no so good apart from a few games from many? ...and prices are like wtf!?

very true, but this is for a reason and that is TSMC to blame, they raised the prices per wafer by like 20-30% for 28nm(which is 40% die shrink) that being said amd would have to build smaller chips to be able to price them like the 40nm chips. they ended up with a 123mm^2 die size compared with the old 170mm^2, that is a good 40% smaller, and the 20% increase in performance is due to the new architecture

random note* in games that require more cpu power the gcn architecture seems to be doing good, like in civilization and crysis 2, not to mention amd didnt release an official catalyst driver for the 7000 series so there might still be some tricks up their sleeves

[N3M3515]

"16 months ago AMD launched the Radeon HD 6850 at $179 amidst fierce competition from NVIDIA. Ignoring the current price of the 6850 for the moment, on average the 7770 delivers 90% of the 6850’s gaming performance for 90% of the 6850’s launch price. In other words in 16 months AMD has moved nowhere along the price/performance curve – if you go by launch prices you’re getting the same amount of performance per dollar today as you did in October of 2010. In reality the 6850 is much cheaper than that, with a number of cards selling for $139 before a rebate, while several more 6870s sell for $149 after rebate." -Anand.

My work here is done.

[N3M3515]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Once you factor in the power consumption costs its not that bad. We will need to wait for Nvidia to come out with something interesting to restart the price war.

Who the fudge cares about power!?
This is a low power card already man......wtf? really?

[N3M3515]

Originally Posted by NdMk2o1o

Well I am not liking what I am seeing from both camps with every new gen, looks like I will have to wait another 2 gens to upgrade as to make it worthwhile unless I want to spend $400+ on a new card every year for any kind of "substantial" increase

This is a tad better than a 5770/6770 which both launched at the same god damned price, so for 3 years they have been selling customers the same performance at the same price, bullshit if you ask me.

+99
Bulls eye!!
How much longer do i have to keep my 4870....

[N3M3515]

Originally Posted by Delta6326

Nice this beats my first 4850 and is close to the same price I paid for it with much lower power consumption.

I hope someone comes out with a passive or single slot version!

I don't see why people complain about price of new tech that has been out for less than one day and isn't even on newegg.com to give a real price. Whether that will be higher or lower I don't know.

I find it's performance to be not to bad its a third tier card that has close performance to the last gens second tier with less power consumption, granted I do wish it at least beat the 6850.

Excuse me?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125416

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by N3M3515

Who the fudge cares about power!?
This is a low power card already man......wtf? really?

If you are living in a place where electricity is not cheap, you will need to care. Every watt saved is every pound saved from the electricity bill per year, as a rule of the thumb.

[Casecutter]

Originally Posted by Flanker

this reminds me of the evergreen launch, 5770 had similar performance to 4870, probably a little lower due to early driver issues, and had the pricetag of a 4890. Not to the same extent as what we are seeing today but it does ring a bell.

Exactly, But this time no one is factoring in the TSMC price increase for 28Nm and there's CoreNext architecture so yes driver will mature. Stock performance is not what I’d hoped but the OC’n is wicked and if in several months for $140 you can grab a decent custom cooling and bump it to 1150Mhz and gain 16-18%; it has great potential.

Again to judge this price which includes the TSMC "up charge" (I was surprised they're this low as it is), without the seeing the equilibrium of what Nvidia will ask for a GK106, that talk is is bunk. Nvidia might (or may not) significantly leap frog these we have no bases to judge as of yet. So what if Nvidia gets between a 550ti and the 560(non ti), will it be worth an MSRP of $180, while Super OC’s hit $220? If Nvidia just "one-ups-man's" this performance while asking the same/similar price I'd be shocked. The best they did recently was the GTX460's, but that filled the gapping crevasse between the 5770 and 5850. Nvidia for quite a while kept those prices fairly aggressive considering $/Fps, as they were in the position that guys loved anything at $230-250 (sweet spot). It wasn't was 4mo's till 6850/70 came into play that those really came around. No competition and a TSMC up charge is AMD burden today, but don’t unyoke Nvidia just yet!

[sergionography]

Originally Posted by N3M3515

Who the fudge cares about power!?
This is a low power card already man......wtf? really?

what? its all about power per watt, graphics cards is all about efficiency thats how they are measured, nvidia and amd have so far been on par in such terms except nvidia usualy releases bigger chips that pack more transistors but consumes more power, what does that translate to? well that will limit your multi gpu setups for one
second is OEM's, im sure OEMs will love the 7750, and soon we will probably see cape verde in the mobile market thats even a better reason.

as for those compaining about price the 7770 just got released and is selling for 180 on newegg while the 7750 is going for 110, for a release price thats crazy cheap

and whoever sais the hd6870 costed that much when it came out doesnt know what hes talking about, it was in the 260 dollars range and i remember my friend getting it, it was only when nvidia dropped the fermi prices (gtx470 from 350 to 250, and the 480 down to about 400 or so) before the hd6800 got any cheap

[ViperXTR]

midrange... is this card supposed to be midrange? aren't the x8xx series supposed to be the new midrange from AMD and the x8xx series being the new midrange and x9xx series being high end?

[qubit]

Originally Posted by NdMk2o1o

Well I am not liking what I am seeing from both camps with every new gen, looks like I will have to wait another 2 gens to upgrade as to make it worthwhile unless I want to spend $400+ on a new card every year for any kind of "substantial" increase

This is a tad better than a 5770/6770 which both launched at the same god damned price, so for 3 years they have been selling customers the same performance at the same price, bullshit if you ask me.

I was gonna give my take on this, but then you said it all perfectly already.

Just you wait, soon the trend will reverse: performance will increase for every generation and so will the price in line with the performance, or a little bit more (likely a bit more, let's face it). After all, something better should cost more shouldn't it? /sarcasm

[N3M3515]

Originally Posted by sergionography

and whoever sais the hd6870 costed that much when it came out doesnt know what hes talking about, it was in the 260 dollars range and i remember my friend getting it, it was only when nvidia dropped the fermi prices (gtx470 from 350 to 250, and the 480 down to about 400 or so) before the hd6800 got any cheap

If you're quoting me, the part i wrote is from anandtech.com, and they say HD6850, not HD6870

And for the record, it doesn't matter if 6870 was 249 at launch, i'm talkin about price/performance, in which the hd7770 is absolute garbage, only time i recall something like that was when the HD5770 came out and the HD4870 was marginally faster at a $20 cheaper price, by that time one could have said OHH directx 11 OK!

So, every other time you got more performance for the same price >>CURRENT PRICE<<. You have to be blind not to see it man, seriously.

Bottom line: In 16 months AMD has moved nowhere along the price/performance curve – if you go by launch prices you’re getting the same amount of performance per dollar today as you did in October of 2010.

Ignoring the current price of the 6850 for the moment, on average the 7770 delivers 90% of the 6850’s gaming performance for 90% of the 6850’s launch price.


All the people with HD4850, HD4870, that bought them for 110 and 140 bucks respectively, have nothing at that price range which can bring a 200% increase in perf for example.

I went from Geforce 6800GS, which i paid $215 for, to HD4870, $140
That's 65% less price for 250% perf, among other advantages.

Now if i want 200% perf i would have to buy a HD6950 that costs $250 (or a HD7870 that hopefully will cost $250)...........no need to explain.....

[N3M3515]

Originally Posted by qubit

I was gonna give my take on this, but then you said it all perfectly already.

Just you wait, soon the trend will reverse: performance will increase for every generation and so will the price in line with the performance, or a little bit more (likely a bit more, let's face it). After all, something better should cost more shouldn't it? /sarcasm

For some people here this seems horribly difficult to understand, i think it's so obvious.

Winner: 6850.
Loser: AMD releasing a new product at a price segment that makes their own previous products look like gold.
Now to find someone that isn't sold out of 6850s....

[N3M3515]

"This is a card that belongs at around $130, just below the Radeon HD 6850. It has no business anywhere near $159 or, heaven forbid, $179 like our snazzed-up XFX entrant." -Tech Report.

Why amd, why...

"Unlike Rolex, Porsche or Apple, AMD isn't in a position to sell customers "emotional value" or "status" or "prestige". They should be in business of innovating visual, mobile and personal computing. Delivering something that costs MORE and is SLOWER than your previous card that costs LESS on the market today is not innovation. But if it is for you, knock yourself out."

And . . . . . i had to write this, couldn't resist:
"Maybe we should start referring to any product launch like this (where price goes up but performance remains flat or declines) as "pulling a bulldozer"? "