amd piledriver looking better..4+ghz

insane 360 · Feb 22, 2012, 01:33 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/22/a...nt-clock-mesh/

don't know how many saw this, but man, its making me want to see a review on TPU for these next gen APU's...really want to replace my current system with these

dude12564 · Feb 22, 2012, 01:36 PM

AMD's been pushing (for a while) for more cores and higher core clocks instead of IPC.

insane 360 · Feb 22, 2012, 02:07 PM

i mainly still like amd thanks to there graphics tech. was a huge ATI fan, and their APU's have the graphic muscle i want with low power...still want to see benches, i know at least the cpu won't stand up too well against intel but the whole package should do everything i want it to

AphexDreamer · Feb 22, 2012, 02:21 PM

my Bulldozer is already over 4Ghz :/

n3rdf1ght3r · Feb 23, 2012, 01:27 AM

AMDs look fast on paper but they don't use resources very well so they actually perform really slow in real life situations.

pantherx12 · Feb 23, 2012, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

my Bulldozer is already over 4Ghz :/

Read the article man, stock speeds of over 4ghz.

de.das.dude · Feb 23, 2012, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n3rdf1ght3r

AMDs look fast on paper but they don't use resources very well so they actually perform really slow in real life situations.

actually they perform pretty well considering the IMC on AMDs are complete poop compared to intel IMCs which offers sky high memory bandwidth.

AphexDreamer · Feb 23, 2012, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Read the article man, stock speeds of over 4ghz.

Well couldn't they have released my chip at 4ghz? I would have just gotten less of an overclock lol.

insane 360 · Feb 23, 2012, 01:41 PM

well cpu wise, i'm fine with amd, sure it would be nice to be faster but it does what i need it to. i like the gpu's and this is an all-in-one package that could replace my current htpc and give me a much lower power usage but similar or better performance...i'm all over that!

arnoo1 · Feb 23, 2012, 02:22 PM

why would it in eath be better because of idiot high stock speed?
probally it crappy like faildozer, intel once prove with P4's that high stock clock isn't good,TDP and temp wise
amd musst go back to handcraft cpu's and get better performance per clock instead off high stock clocks and ditch the Module stuff
no hating, i don't want a flame war and don't look @ my sig.:P

devguy · Feb 23, 2012, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

Well couldn't they have released my chip at 4ghz? I would have just gotten less of an overclock lol.

They could've, but not at the TDP rating they gave your processor at stock. I expect significantly higher stock clocks with Piledriver, while managing to maintain the same power envelope.

lilhasselhoffer · Feb 23, 2012, 04:43 PM

The inclusion of meshing technology to decrease power loss is...interesting. This will allow higher operational frequencies, but it also makes that sky-high frequency far less impressive than they should be. Higher frequencies are nice, but they only obscure the fact that the IPC of the processors isn't in the same class as similar Intel offerings.

It's good to see two completely different research lines emerge in the x86 market. Given that ARM is starting to actually be worth competing against in the desktop class market. I'd love to see AMD pull a win out of their collective back ends with Piledriver.

This said, the announcement means nothing. Numbers are what will drive Intel to decrease pricing, and AMD is unlikely to pull out an amazing win. I would love to be proven wrong, but given what AMD is saying that is....unlikely....

Super XP · Feb 28, 2012, 02:58 PM

We are talking about higher stock clock speeds at lower volts and lower TDP. Combine this with AMD's bulldozer refinements and we have Piledriver

Quote:

AMD Piledriver Cores "WILL" Clock Over 4.0GHz.
Piledriver will feature "Resonant Clock Mesh" Technology
What is Resonant Clock Mesh?

Quote:

Resonant Clock Mesh recycles clock power instead of letting it dissipate and thereby enables higher clock speeds in "next generation SoCs that also require ultra-low power consumption." We also know that the technology is financially backed by ARM and Siemens and has seen precious little implementation prior to AMD -- which is fine, so long as all that resonance doesn't make our rig hum even louder.

mr_jean · Feb 28, 2012, 03:04 PM

new frecuencies?

http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin...=1#post4429008

btarunr · Feb 28, 2012, 03:45 PM

Those are Piledriver models. http://www.techpowerup.com/160274/AM...10-Series.html

Horrux · Feb 28, 2012, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

Well couldn't they have released my chip at 4ghz? I would have just gotten less of an overclock lol.

Engineers actually calculate how quickly a chip is going to fail at a given speed. That's how they do their binning. That you are willing to trade in its longevity for extra speed is up to you of course.

xenocide · Feb 29, 2012, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horrux

Engineers actually calculate how quickly a chip is going to fail at a given speed. That's how they do their binning. That you are willing to trade in its longevity for extra speed is up to you of course.

There was a news post here on TPU about new models of BD chips, one of which was the FX-4170 and was like 4.1GHz stock. So BD can handle it already.

trickson · Feb 29, 2012, 01:04 AM

Oh goody another hyped up paper launch! Now we all wait in total anticipation for the big day and when it comes we all start to

nt300 · Feb 29, 2012, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_jean

new frecuencies?

http://img9.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...0bb3ca1860.jpg

http://foro.noticias3d.com/vbulletin...=1#post4429008

What's a frecuencies

Or do you mean frequencies

Hopefully Piledriver will

Intel's offerings

erocker · Feb 29, 2012, 01:40 AM

Well.. the earlier they get piledriver out, the better. Till then it's all just fluff talk.

enaher · Feb 29, 2012, 01:40 AM

I think it's nice for the average Joe, problem is TPU members tend to be powerusers/gamer/profesionals/benchmarkmonkeys... etc, I have a friend who uses an unlocked sempron oc'ed @3.4ghz with 3Gigs of DDr3 Ram and a 4650 DDr3 and finds his computer is more than enough for his needs, his doesn't care it takes twice the time to encode video or anything of that sort that said brining a 2 module/ 4 core procesor a 4.6 at 100-120$ would be quite tempting to him even as an average joe.

erocker · Feb 29, 2012, 01:46 AM

Bulldozers power consumption is not good. Bad for OEM's, bad for the normal joe.

trickson · Feb 29, 2012, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

Bulldozers power consumption is not good. Bad for OEM's, bad for the normal joe.

Lets not forget the bad press. That thing was pumped up so high that when it fell flat on it's face I felt the ground shake!

enaher · Feb 29, 2012, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

Bulldozers power consumption is not good. Bad for OEM's, bad for the normal joe.

P4 sucked power in their time and most people only cared it was great to have a 1.5 Ghz cpu

people rarely worry about how power hungry their cpu is, that said I actually care so it stands average joe will fall for high clock speeds and more coresa and see it as a bargain.

Hell I remeber being sad about having a Athlon XP instead of a P4 LOL

trickson · Feb 29, 2012, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enaher

P4 sucked power in their time and most people only cared it was great to have a 1.5 Ghz cpu

people rarely worry about how power hungry their cpu is, that said I actually care so it stands average joe will fall for high clock speeds and more coresa and see it as a bargain.

Hell I remeber being sad about having a Athlon XP instead of a P4 LOL

I disagree, The average Joe care more about how much some thing costs. The P4 was more widely used by HP, Compaq, Dell and rarely offered AMD in the store as an alternative, One main reason for AMD sewing Intel.
Oh and Not me I loved my Athlon XP it smoked the Intel P4!

Feb 22, 2012, 01:33 PM	#1
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Feb 22, 2012, 02:21 PM	#4
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Feb 23, 2012, 01:41 PM	#9
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Feb 23, 2012, 02:22 PM	#10
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Feb 28, 2012, 03:04 PM	#14
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Feb 29, 2012, 01:40 AM	#20
erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,902 (12.77/day) Thanks: 2,782 Thanked 12,274 Times in 7,814 Posts System Specs	Well.. the earlier they get piledriver out, the better. Till then it's all just fluff talk.

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erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,902 (12.77/day) Thanks: 2,782 Thanked 12,274 Times in 7,814 Posts System Specs	Bulldozers power consumption is not good. Bad for OEM's, bad for the normal joe.

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