Upgrading video on a Dell (ugh)

Sasqui · Mar 6, 2012, 12:31 PM

Yep, an old Dell with an ATI X300 PCIe... 11 yr olds "playbox" (when he's not using mine, LOL). He's complaining the video is too slow.

Dell has an Intel 630 2GB, XP 32bit , PSU is 305W, so looking for a relatively low power video card to bump up the 3D speed. Card can't require any external power.

Suggestions?

CJCerny · Mar 6, 2012, 12:35 PM

6670 running DDR5 will work fine in that power envelope. New 7750 also will, but pricey at the moment.

Sasqui · Mar 6, 2012, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJCerny

6670 running DDR5 will work fine in that power envelope. New 7750 also will, but pricey at the moment.

6670 Looks like a candidate, some online prices in the $70 range. Would like to spend less on a used card...

Edit: TPU review here: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6670/

CJCerny · Mar 6, 2012, 12:41 PM

Used 4670.

Norton · Mar 6, 2012, 01:33 PM

+1 on a 6670... I picked up the HIS version with the AC cooler for <$70. It's quick enough for what I bought it for and absolutely silent

Wrigleyvillain · Mar 6, 2012, 02:32 PM

Used 5770

CJCerny · Mar 6, 2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wrigleyvillain

Used 5770

Probably not. Isn't going to be a free PCI-E power connector in that PC for such a card. Has to run on the 75 watts that it can get from the PCI-E slot.

repman244 · Mar 6, 2012, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJCerny

Isn't going to be a free PCI-E power connector in that PC for such a card

You can always make one

CJCerny · Mar 6, 2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by repman244

You can always make one

Also not a good idea. Remember, it's a 305w power supply. Feed that video card a PCI-E power connector and that means it can potentially suck up to 150 watts of the 305 total available. OP would be wise to stick with a video card that runs solely on the power from the PCI-E slot.

Kreij · Mar 6, 2012, 03:12 PM

If I remember correctly, not all of the Dell's that used lower end GCs had a full size Pci-e slot either. I think mine at work, which has the x300 graphics card is that way.
I could be wrong as it's been awhile since I looked at it. lol

Chevalr1c · Mar 6, 2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by repman244

You can always make one

Yes, (molex-PEG6 adapters exist) but the PSU will not be able to give all the juice being demanded by an HD 5770.
In addition, such a card will probably be bottlenecked by the cpu.
Here at TPU, the HD 5670 is performing not that much less than a HD 6670 in the reviews, assuming that a HD 5670 will be a few dollars cheaper.

Sasqui · Mar 6, 2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kreij

If I remember correctly, not all of the Dell's that used lower end GCs had a full size Pci-e slot either. I think mine at work, which has the x300 graphics card is that way.
I could be wrong as it's been awhile since I looked at it. lol

Thanks for pointing that out... I wasn't even sure if it was AGP or PCIe before I took it out, LOL. It's sitting next to my rig with a 6850 in it, so I'll pop that in just to try on for size.

And EDIT: For a DELL... I wouldn't be surprised. A real PC builders worst nightmare, Upgrading a DELL!!!

Sasqui · Mar 9, 2012, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreij

If I remember correctly, not all of the Dell's that used lower end GCs had a full size Pci-e slot either. I think mine at work, which has the x300 graphics card is that way.
I could be wrong as it's been awhile since I looked at it. lol

Checked it last night... finally, it does have a full size PCIe slot.

The only catch is that because of the shroud for the CPU heatsink, there is only room for a single slot card. ...but of course, because it's a Dell

Aquinus · Mar 9, 2012, 01:19 PM

You can upgrade the video but your CPU/Memory will quickly become a bottleneck. I agree with a lot of the other statements that say you should stick with PCI-E power from the motherboard, any more and you run the risk of over-drawing on the PSU which could fry the entire system.

Norton · Mar 9, 2012, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasqui

Checked it last night... finally, it does have a full size PCIe slot.

The only catch is that because of the shroud for the CPU heatsink, there is only room for a single slot card. ...but of course, because it's a Dell

XFX single slot 6670 $79.99 (XFX usually puts out single slot versions of most of their lower spec'd cards

)

XFX HD-667X-ZNFQ Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 P...

Liquid Cool · Mar 9, 2012, 01:38 PM

I own the Sapphire HD 6670, it's been at a steady $99 at Newegg. It dips down to $89 infrequently - when it's in stock. I haven't owned any HIS cards...

The others are right though, these low profile cards are expensive even at $70 or 80 in my opinion.

Considering the age of your machine, I'd purchase an HD 6570 instead. The Sapphire's cpu cooler is just about dead silent, mine idles at 28 degress celsius. These run cool, work well...and are just a smidgeon under the performance of the HD 6670. I think my last one was $49 after rebate.

Best,

LC

CJCerny, thanks for the heads up on the 7750, I wasn't aware one of these we're in the works.

Jstn7477 · Mar 9, 2012, 01:48 PM

You could probably get away with a 6570 or even a 6450 as the P4 630 will probably bottleneck both. Both should be light years faster than an X300, especially the Dell version since it usually has 64bit DDR @ like 350MHz. I bought a Sapphire 6450 GDDR5 for the lulz last year and it could play TF2 @ 1080p at ~30 FPS, faster than my laptop's HD 5650 DDR3 actually.

Sasqui · Mar 9, 2012, 02:02 PM

Hmmm.... 6670 is around $70

http://www.google.com/#q=hd+6670&hl=...w=1614&bih=931

6570 around the $50 range:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=1...w=1614&bih=931

Lots of single slot designs... now I've got to choose.

The CPU sure isn't much, but these card options will be far superior to the X300.

Norton · Mar 9, 2012, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasqui

Hmmm.... 6670 is around $70

http://www.google.com/#q=hd+6670&hl=...w=1614&bih=931

6570 around the $50 range:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=1...w=1614&bih=931

Lots of single slot designs... now I've got to choose.

The CPU sure isn't much, but these card options will be far superior to the X300.

ANything 128bit that's quicker than a 3650 will smoke an X300 noticeably- I'd recommend anything equal to or faster than an HD4650

My $0.02

brandonwh64 · Mar 9, 2012, 07:02 PM

TBH I bet you could find a used 5770 or 5830 that would be more powerful than the 6670/6570

Also what CPU's would that motherboard handle? It would be nice if it could handle a quad and you may could pickup a Q6600 and another 2GB to make a quite powerful PC.

Norton · Mar 9, 2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by brandonwh64

TBH I bet you could find a used 5770 or 5830 that would be more powerful than the 6670/6570

Also what CPU's would that motherboard handle? It would be nice if it could handle a quad and you may could pickup a Q6600 and another 2GB to make a quite powerful PC.

He needs a card that runs off of the PCIE power only. Otherwise those would be a real good upgrade for any older machine

Bambooz · Mar 9, 2012, 07:07 PM

Just to give you a rough idea..

(rank 201 or 210. Ignore that the page is in German. It's self explanatory)
http://pc-erfahrung.de/grafikkarte/v...rangliste.html

Pretty much anything from the past couple years will smoke it.

@brandonwh64: I bet it's some sh*tty old Dell Optiplex Capacitor-cooker that doesn't support any Core 2 CPUs yet (i915 or i945 chipset or something). Putting something along the lines of a HD5770 or HD5830 in there would be an absolute waste of money and impossible anyhow, cause you apparently didn't read the thread. Otherwise you'd know that it only has a 305W PSU with no PCIe plug.

CJCerny · Mar 9, 2012, 07:18 PM

Since you have a watt limit, do yourself a favor and buy the best new model you can afford--new models tend to get a lot more bang for the buck when it comes to watts per $$.

Sasqui · Mar 12, 2012, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norton

ANything 128bit that's quicker than a 3650 will smoke an X300 noticeably- I'd recommend anything equal to or faster than an HD4650

My $0.02

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

TBH I bet you could find a used 5770 or 5830 that would be more powerful than the 6670/6570

Also what CPU's would that motherboard handle? It would be nice if it could handle a quad and you may could pickup a Q6600 and another 2GB to make a quite powerful PC.

Though the board wont support Core 2's (that I know of), I think the card will make a HUGE difference in DX and OpenGL games!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJCerny

Since you have a watt limit, do yourself a favor and buy the best new model you can afford--new models tend to get a lot more bang for the buck when it comes to watts per $$.

^Thanks! ...just found a killer deal for XFX 6670, after rebate and painfully slow *free* shipping

... on Amazon for $52!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004Z5GRW6?ref=prid-20

Norton · Mar 12, 2012, 12:17 AM

Good luck with the card

Improvement won't be earth shattering but definitely better than that X300!

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Mar 6, 2012, 12:35 PM	#2
CJCerny Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 756 (0.46/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 213 Times in 178 Posts	6670 running DDR5 will work fine in that power envelope. New 7750 also will, but pricey at the moment.

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Mar 9, 2012, 02:02 PM	#18
Sasqui Eligible for custom title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 6,046 (2.22/day) Thanks: 819 Thanked 904 Times in 738 Posts System Specs	Hmmm.... 6670 is around $70 http://www.google.com/#q=hd+6670&hl=...w=1614&bih=931 6570 around the $50 range: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_nf=1...w=1614&bih=931 Lots of single slot designs... now I've got to choose. The CPU sure isn't much, but these card options will be far superior to the X300. __________________ Heatware

Mar 9, 2012, 07:02 PM	#20
brandonwh64 Addicted to Bacon and StarCrunches!!! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chatsworth, GA Posts: 13,562 (10.03/day) Thanks: 2,146 Thanked 5,341 Times in 3,696 Posts System Specs	TBH I bet you could find a used 5770 or 5830 that would be more powerful than the 6670/6570 Also what CPU's would that motherboard handle? It would be nice if it could handle a quad and you may could pickup a Q6600 and another 2GB to make a quite powerful PC. __________________ Cruncher's: All GPU's GPU's: 7970 3GB Unlocked = 8 Threads 5770 1GB OCed = 2 Threads

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Memory:	8GB Mushkin Stiletto DDR3-1333
Video Card:	Sapphire HD6870 (stock settings)
Hard Disk:	WD3200AAKS + WD10EVDS
Optical Drive:	LG H20N + H22NS50
CRT/LCD Model:	Samsung Syncmaster 2333T
Case:	NZXT Beta
PSU:	Seasonic S12-II 430
Software:	Win7 Ultimate 64 Bit

Mar 9, 2012, 07:18 PM	#23
CJCerny Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 756 (0.46/day) Thanks: 2 Thanked 213 Times in 178 Posts	Since you have a watt limit, do yourself a favor and buy the best new model you can afford--new models tend to get a lot more bang for the buck when it comes to watts per $$.

Mar 12, 2012, 12:17 AM	#25
Norton WCG Team Assistant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Northeast, USA Posts: 5,152 (9.96/day) Thanks: 5,388 Thanked 10,092 Times in 3,179 Posts System Specs	Good luck with the card Improvement won't be earth shattering but definitely better than that X300! __________________ *Why sit on the Bench* when you can get in the game and Crunch!!!- World Community Grid (FTW) CPU crunchers- FX-8350(4.4)/FX-8150(4.0)/FX-6200(4.0)/ PII 1045T/PII 1045T/i7-920/Xeon (6c/12t)....(44 cores/54 threads) GPU crunchers- no WCG GPU work available Folding@Home- 2x GTX 580's WCG-TPU Mothers Day Challenge (5/10 thru 5/19- crunch for our Team, for Mom, for games and prizes )**

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