GeForce GTX 680 Up To 40% Faster Than Radeon HD 7970: NVIDIA - Page 7

beck24 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Yeah and over all they lost market share. Duh.

And made ten times the profit of AMD doing it , duh.

TheMailMan78 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by beck24

And made ten times the profit of AMD doing it , duh.

10 times? Link? Because all I see is a loss.

beck24 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

10 times? Link?

Nvidia financials from last quarter
(in millions except per FY12 FY11 FY12 FY11
share data) GAAP GAAP NON-GAAP NON-GAAP
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Revenue $3,997.9 $3,543.3 $3,997.9 $3,543.3
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Gross margin 51.4% 39.8% 51.9% 45.1%
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Operating expenses $1,408.2 $1,153.3 $1,245.7 $1,096.4
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Net income $581.1 $253.1 $734.4 $476.4
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Earnings per share $0.94 $0.43 $1.19 $0.81
------------------------------------------

AMD Graphics (2) for all 2011
Net revenue

1,565 million

Net Operating income
51 million
http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74...rterlyearnings
Nvidia vacated IG for several reasons, but one is there was very little profit for them.

beck24 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

10 times? Link? Because all I see is a loss.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/...it_q4_2011.png

look at full year results, quarter to quarter is too small a view.

PsiAmp · Mar 14, 2012, 08:28 PM

According to Steam stats the desktop discreet DX11 video card share with price above $100 is:
AMD ~55%
Nvidia ~45%

A year ago numbers were:
AMD ~65%
Nvidia ~35%

So the situation is better now for Nvidia, but it doesn't have a leadership in gaming segment. 600 series can change the situation, but atm all we know is that the cards won't hit the market for at least a month. And such a rough start doesn't help Nvidia and is not beneficial for all customers.

Nvidia is very successful in workstation video card and HPC segment.

beck24 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

10 times? Link? Because all I see is a loss.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/...it_q4_2011.png

BTW that is not a loss. They earned less in a quarter but still made a profit. A loss is registered like this (200).

Wrigleyvillain · Mar 14, 2012, 08:32 PM

WTF is this FinancePowerUp?

TheMailMan78 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:33 PM

Fact Nvidia has lost market share.
Fact Nvidia has lost profit from this.
Fact Nvidia does not make 10x as much profit then AMD.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=amd
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=NVDA

beck24 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

10 times? Link? Because all I see is a loss.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/...it_q4_2011.png

Bottom line Nvidia earned 581 million last full year reporting on 2.75x the revenue.. AMD graphics earned 51 million,
so let's be kind and call it 10X the profit.

TheMailMan78 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by beck24

Bottom line Nvidia earned 581 million last full year reporting on 2.75x the revenue.. AMD graphics earned 51 million,
so let's be kind and call it 10X the profit.

But its not 10x the profit.

beck24 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Fact Nvidia has lost market share.
Fact Nvidia has lost profit from this.
Fact Nvidia does not make 10x as much profit then AMD.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=amd
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=NVDA

You're right. Nvidia makes MORE than 10x the profit of AMD graphics.

beck24 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Fact Nvidia has lost market share.
Fact Nvidia has lost profit from this.
Fact Nvidia does not make 10x as much profit then AMD.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=amd
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=NVDA

10x 51 million is 510 million. That's LESS than 581 million.

TheMailMan78 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by beck24

You're right. Nvidia makes MORE than 10x the profit of AMD graphics.

How in the hell is 14.54% vs 7.48% profit margin "10x" the profit?

EarthDog · Mar 14, 2012, 08:38 PM

Profit margin /= total profit.

beck24 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

How in the hell is 14.54% vs 7.48% profit margin "10x" the profit?

You need a doctor. AMD graphics division made 51 million in profit. Read their OWN financials, please.
Nvidia graphics made 581 million. It's not complicated. Profits are counted in dollars.

TheMailMan78 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by beck24

You need a doctor. AMD graphics division made 51 million in profit. Read their OWN financials, please.
Nvidia graphics made 581 million. It's not complicated. Profits are counted in dollars.

You apparently do not know how finances work. 14.54% vs 7.48% is not 10 times. I'm done schooling you.

beck24 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

You apparently do not know how finances work.

Go get an MBA and so you can understand what net income is, LOL. Apparently the concept mystifies you.

EarthDog · Mar 14, 2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

You apparently do not know how finances work. 14.54% vs 7.48% is not 10 times. I'm done schooling you.

Profit MARGIN is not TOTAL profit. He is going off TOTAL profit numbers while you are stuck on margins.

Profit margin = Nvidia over ATI by almost 2x
Total profit = Nvidia over ATI by alomst 10x.

Done doing what?

EDIT: This is High School level stuff beck (sorry MM)!

TheMailMan78 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by beck24

Go get an MBA and so you can understand what net income is, LOL. Apparently the concept mystifies you.

So first we defy they lost market share which is what the argument was about. When I proved you wrong we went to profit. When I showed you the profit margin wasnt "10 times" we went to total profit. You changed the argument base until you "won". Enjoy.

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Originally Posted by EarthDog

Profit MARGIN is not TOTAL profit. He is going off TOTAL profit numbers while you are stuck on margins.

Profit margin = Nvidia over ATI by almost 2x
Total profit = Nvidia over ATI by alomst 10x.

Done doing what?

This isnt what the argument was about.

beck24 · Mar 14, 2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EarthDog

Profit MARGIN is not TOTAL profit. He is going off TOTAL profit numbers while you are stuck on margins.

Profit margin = Nvidia over ATI by almost 2x
Total profit = Nvidia over ATI by alomst 10x.

Done doing what?

EDIT: This is High School level stuff beck (sorry MM)!

Thanks. Couldn't be simpler. cheers mate

TheMailMan78 · Mar 14, 2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EarthDog

Profit MARGIN is not TOTAL profit. He is going off TOTAL profit numbers while you are stuck on margins.

Profit margin = Nvidia over ATI by almost 2x
Total profit = Nvidia over ATI by alomst 10x.

Done doing what?

EDIT: This is High School level stuff beck (sorry MM)!

Are you going by the consolidated net income to get that 581m in profit?

Benetanegia · Mar 14, 2012, 09:10 PM

Mailman you are talking about gross margin, not profits. Profits = revenue - expenses. And Nvidia did have 10x the profits last year.

EDIT: I see it's been said already, I didn't want to go through all the posts. Sorry.

cowie · Mar 14, 2012, 09:10 PM

Declining discrete sales over all dont forget.
Nv is the world leader in discrete cards its not even a race really
Also Its not like just cus a few guys got 7970's or 4 amd is gaining it back
$375+USD cards are less then 1% of the market so even if amd or nv sell twice that card market then noarmal it will not bring market share at all.

But i dont know what that has to do with the new nv card at all, same as people going into say a cod thread and say it sucks or bf3 is better?

TheMailMan78 · Mar 14, 2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Benetanegia

Mailman you are talking about gross margin, not profits. Profits = revenue - expenses. And Nvidia did have 10x the profits last year.

EDIT: I see it's been said already, I didn't want to go through all the posts. Sorry.

Yeah and Im looking at all the market reports and Im not seeing the 10 times as much. This is why Im asking how they are getting these numbers.

cowie · Mar 14, 2012, 09:17 PM

Amd does not separate between vga/cpu division so its really hard to say whats whats,i feel it has no bearing at all anyway.
Does it make a differance?
The Yankees sold the most tickets last year it does not make them the best baseball team right?
oh wait it does lol j/k

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PsiAmp Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 3 (0.00/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	According to Steam stats the desktop discreet DX11 video card share with price above $100 is: AMD ~55% Nvidia ~45% A year ago numbers were: AMD ~65% Nvidia ~35% So the situation is better now for Nvidia, but it doesn't have a leadership in gaming segment. 600 series can change the situation, but atm all we know is that the cards won't hit the market for at least a month. And such a rough start doesn't help Nvidia and is not beneficial for all customers. Nvidia is very successful in workstation video card and HPC segment.

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TheMailMan78 Banstick Dummy Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Crystal River, FL Posts: 15,112 (6.92/day) Thanks: 1,337 Thanked 6,834 Times in 3,741 Posts System Specs	Fact Nvidia has lost market share. Fact Nvidia has lost profit from this. Fact Nvidia does not make 10x as much profit then AMD. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=amd http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=NVDA

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Benetanegia Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Reaching your left retina. Posts: 2,683 (1.98/day) Thanks: 125 Thanked 701 Times in 494 Posts	Mailman you are talking about gross margin, not profits. Profits = revenue - expenses. And Nvidia did have 10x the profits last year. EDIT: I see it's been said already, I didn't want to go through all the posts. Sorry.

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cowie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: new jersey usa Posts: 114 (0.05/day) Thanks: 16 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	Declining discrete sales over all dont forget. Nv is the world leader in discrete cards its not even a race really Also Its not like just cus a few guys got 7970's or 4 amd is gaining it back $375+USD cards are less then 1% of the market so even if amd or nv sell twice that card market then noarmal it will not bring market share at all. But i dont know what that has to do with the new nv card at all, same as people going into say a cod thread and say it sucks or bf3 is better?

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cowie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: new jersey usa Posts: 114 (0.05/day) Thanks: 16 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	Amd does not separate between vga/cpu division so its really hard to say whats whats,i feel it has no bearing at all anyway. Does it make a differance? The Yankees sold the most tickets last year it does not make them the best baseball team right? oh wait it does lol j/k

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