B/S/T Bumping Oh my!

[Sasqui]

Originally Posted by Kreij

How about one bump by seller only every 12 hours (two per day).
Others can only post valid questions on the sale.

I like that suggestion the bestest. Perhaps limit self bumps to 1 each 48 hours. More work for mods though...

I've seen the latest posts containing all but one or two non B/S/T topics in the past. Was kind of annoying.

[erocker]

I like the feedback here guys and I and the rest of the mods sure do appreciate it! I think for now, this thread is actually working as the latest posts box isn't being flooded with these multiple bumps. I don't think a rule change or anything else like that is necessary as I think most of us can agree that the less rules the better as the mods and staff here don't need to be overbearing. I think the intent of the current "bump rule" was for members to bump sellers threads if they were asking a question or posing interest in items for sale. It's obvious to many of us that having these mass bumps isn't in the best interest of one another. Sure the mods are here to moderate and "keep things in line", but it's obvious to me that the vast majority of members here are very capable of doing this themselves.

So, let's see how things go for the time being and if changes are needed down the road then so be it. But for now, lets just be respectful towards one another, this website and the guidelines that are laid down for it as that's the way it seems to be going anyways. You are still free to discuss this, give ideas, input, etc.
Thanks for the feedback so far, it is much appreciated.

-erocker

[n-ster]

On second thought, I think that's the best way to go, but could we at least make it so that BST doesn't count in the post count? I just don't see the purpose of why it should

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Mods are here to deal with ANY issues you may have.

There have been multiple times where we've asked for an adjustment to the way BST works and allowances only to be told "let the mods handle it." I don't see why this issue is any different and why user input was requested this time.

Just do a Sticky "no bump spamming" post and be done with it.

[cadaveca]

I'm not a mod, nor do I have any "power" on the forum...I simply do reviews, so if I have an issue, I have to go through the same steps you do.

By going to a mod, at least, you are making the issue known. What happens afterwords, of course, isn't always going to be what you wanted, but at the same time, sometimes it will, too.

If there are many similar complaints, you'd think the topic would be discussed within the forum staff, and then a suitable resolution would be enacted. That's probably why erocker made this thread in the first place. Personally, I have no idea on the inner workings of TPU.

I read the FS rules to say that only the OP can bump threads, and when someone else bumps their thread, the OP will get infracted for it. Clearly by the number of posts people are bumping, that is not the case.


Regardless of my own opinion, I'm just here to do my reviews, and to try to help others out with hardware problems. Forum moderation, news posting, and how the site itself is run, has nothing to do with me. Technically, I'm no different than any other user, and the only difference is that my name is orange.


Anyway, as erocker said, the thread was made, the complaint voiced, heard, and will be acted on if it's an issue in the future, so noone can expect any more than that here. If you see someone bumping too many threads, send a polite PM pointing them to this thread, and it should work out just fine.

[brandonwh64]

I now see what you mean,

[DaC]

Well it really doesn't bothers me that much as I don't use to use the latest posts panel. But it might be unfair with the others users that don't have that much of friends here to get things bumped.... everybody wants their topic to be visible, including me... "=]

I agree with sneekypeet that the FS threads shouldn't count on user post (and there would go away half of my posts here at TPU, anyway, I don't care).
I don't know if it's possible, but here is my suggestion: add to peet's suggestion a minimum time space of 15 minutes between a user post in the FS section.
I do understand if the user really has some interest in multiple items, he (or she) will PM the sellers directly... that's what I do....

[copenhagen69]

Just saw this thread, figured I would respond

I have a few issues ...

Why does post count matter? If someone posts something extremely intelligent with only 30 posts in the forums, will you discard it as him being an idiot? If someone with 5000 posts, posts OMG WTFBBQ AMD sucks! ... are you more inclined to believe AMD sucks since they have more posts? I mean really, if you look at posts counts to figure out if someones smart, you may have a problem.

Sure, massive bumping could/does get out of hand. I bump like 4-5 threads once a day. It is not meant to disrespect the community, but more to outline who I think the better sellers on this site are to reduce trolling. I look at bumping as a positive to prevent trolling. IF you limit it to only thread starters posting in threads, how will you know if that person is good to deal with? Heat, sure heat is good, but maybe that person is on a downhill slide and you wont know since only they can post in their thread.

I do like the idea of adding the BST to its own section up top. I don't really use the top new posts area, as I just go to the section on the forums I like and read on. The only new posts section I read is the news side of it.

If you do take away bumping of other threads, are you going to lower self bumping down to like every 12 hours or what? Maybe set a limit of bumping 3 threads that are not yours a day in the BST section? That would be 4 threads being bumped once a day?

[n-ster]

post count along with Join Date gives you an idea of how experienced the member is in this forum, If someone has 5000 posts and is here sine '08, you know he knows all the computer basics etc. When you are a new member here, it gives you an idea too, sure it isn't the most reliable thing to evaluate someone on, but you can assume that someone with a huge amount of posts and an old join date will generally know things about computers, while a 200 post 1 month old join date, well you have no idea. Also, you'll rarely see 5000 post count members say OMG WTFBBQ AMD SUCKS, because he would probably get banned at some point for trolling/flaming way before 5000 posts. That is why post count can be viewed as something to have to seem bigger and better, and people might abuse the BST post counting for this reason.

Low post count =/= bad, it just means you have no idea of his experience. high post count usually = experience in this forum, hence knows the basics, probably not a troll etc

I agree, not being able to post in a thread might seem too excessive. A limit of 15 minutes in between posts seems fair though. I think the mods are going to try to modify the rules as little as possible for this, and I think the 15 minutes timer is a great way. It would also discourage conversation in a BST thread and force people to use PMs (and post editing)

[dank1983man420]

bump

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

Hell I don't even pay attention to post counts. I also think length of time shouldn't matter as much. I haven't been here a year yet, but I definitely have the knowledge as I have been building and repairing rigs for oh about 20 years. I was around when we used 14.4 modems and bbs's. Used win 3.1 and seen the birth of windows 95. Now I know I might be a rare case and there are some new people that are just learning. But we also can learn from them. They have new eyes and make us look at the simple stuff when we a thinking more complex.

[sneekypeet]

The only reasons post count would be removed is so that members earn their stars and it keeps new sellers from bumping their way into the qualifications to sell their own goods.

[popswala]

Originally Posted by n-ster

post count along with Join Date gives you an idea of how experienced the member is in this forum

When I joined up, I was lookin round the net to find answers I was having with my lappy (you can look it up) at the time. I was over seas with really, really poor net so I wasn't on much so I didn't post useful stuff to help the community. Now that I know more about pc's (thanks to tpu) I can give my input and experiences to help the next person. So yea, I didn't start posting and getting more involved till lil over a yr later Once I seen how great tpu is and I wanted to be apart of it. So yea, people can discourage any input I may put in due to low post count but is that really feasible? It would help to have a separate section for just b/s/t/ threads to stay out of recent post. I just started using it. I'm with cope on that, I just use my bookmarks to go to sections I'm interested in and read on. I don't sit here trolling around and startin flame wars. I do bump those I have dealt with and those that have alot of stuff but not many takers to help them out. If they bump back, great, if not, I roll on. I do understand where everyone is coming from on the over excessive bumping and I know I broke the straw that started this thread in the first place. But look back at how often I bump. Prob around 1-2x's a week. So I don't do it every day cause I was trying to be conservative about it.

[n-ster]

again, low post count doesn't mean anything, you could be the most helpful person in the world on a subject and still have a low post count. Your input is as good as any.

people get all butthurt when I say post count means SOMETHING. It does mean something even if ultimately it doesn't mean much.

TBH, I think we all know you aren't a troll and now that you know it bothers people so you won't do bumping sprees. It really isn't a big deal, we know you have good intentions

[zootac]

its all this guys doing,

[Asylum]

What i want to know is who took the B/S/T off the new forum post.

We only get to bump our post 1 time a day and now it dont even show up on the new post list.

I cant help if noobs are bumping a thread to get post count,but i like my post to show up on the front page when i hit it once a day.

I have had people join TPU just to buy from me.

I think thats a help to this site and should be put back in place.

Only allow thread starters to bump there threads if you want to controll it.

What do you guys think?

[Kantastic]

Let's not get carried away with the emphasis on user post count. The underlying issue with chain bumping for other users isn't so much to increase post count, rather the blatant circumventing of this forum's 24 hour bump rule. I don't think I've ever given a rat's ass about post count or join date. I've seen some of the most informative and insightful posts by new users with under 10 prior posts. Those who care about post count and join date are either excessively anal about stupid things or need to work on being less judgmental.

Take AnandTech for example, they have an already generous 4 hour bump rule, but a select group of users exploit the lack of clarification and bump for other users, resulting in a neverending cycle of return bumps. The group of users get their threads knocked to the top every hour, often multiple times per hour. The mods there do squat about the issue because "it isn't and never was against the rules" (direct quote). If the friendly bumps or return bumps become more frequent on TPU, we'll have a major problem. As of late, I bump my own thread once every 2-3 days, mainly because of the relatively slow traffic in the marketplace forum. People who get their threads bumped multiple times a day every day will likely remain on the front page for the duration of their active thread, while others who self-bump every 24 hours will find themselves on page 3 or 4 before the day is up.

I don't think any rules need to be amended, particularly because of how small and tight the TPU community is. This thread has probably raised enough public awareness that users will reconsider chain bumping for other traders. I just wanted to put a halt on all the emphasis on post count as a result of the excessive bumping.

[n-ster]

I'm still in favor of a restriction of 1 post per 15 mins in the BST section, nothing else changed. It's simple and effective

[DaC]

I think mod should create another pool with suggestion given here, with multi selectable options to see what measure or group of measure are more popular and pick it. Leave it open for a good amount of time, so we get a realistic picture of what the community wants.

I'm still in favor of the 15 minutes idea too..... I doubt there will be someone willing to stay hours and hours counting 15 minutes to bump a thread here.....
But if even with 15 minutes we still get too much bumps.... make it add..... 15 minutes for the first post..... 45 minutes after the second...... then 2 hours from post to post

But as Kantastic said, let's wait and see the community reaction based on this thread, it might already do the job for a good amount of time, until new users come and start it all over again.

The best thing is: Sticky this thread on the FS section! I guess it'll be very helpful "=]]]]]]

[Frick]

Doesn't bother/distract me.

[Kreij]

The FS threads were removed from the front page awhile ago as the bumping was so excessive that it made the forums look like a marketplace and not somewhere to go to get help with problems, read news, etc., which is the real purpose of the forums.

I think that putting the FS posts in a separate list on both the front page and the top of the forums is the best idea, but I have no idea how much work that would be for W1zz or if he is even interested in modifying the site in that manner.

.. and Erocker is right. All of the mods appreciate your input on this issue as we've been scrathing our heads trying to come up with a fair and equitable solution for awhile.

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

I think most user have either got the message or if you put a temporary sticky in like red font, that will catch the eyes of the others that haven't see this thread yet. Most will just listen when told not to do it.

[Mussels]

i think 'one bump per 24 hours if there is no other thread activity'

only the thread starter should be able to bump.


people will still get around it commenting about the items, but at least it will be reduced.

[m1dg3t]

What was the point of this thread again

[sneekypeet]

Originally Posted by m1dg3t

What was the point of this thread again

took me a second to look at the latest posts, but I see what you did here now