Xbox Durango Packs 16-core PowerPC CPU - Page 2

Aquinus · Apr 11, 2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mussels

i just dont see this happening, 16 core CPU's are just too niche. supply problems, high TDP, low per core performance... none of this will help out a console.

RISC CPU cores tend to be smaller than CISC's. Depending on when this CPU could come out, I could be on a smaller process that could cram a lot of processing power in a CPU. Not to say that a console needs this, but I don't see it being unreasonable. MS isn't saying this is coming out this year. I could easily see this in 2-3 years from now.

Mussels · Apr 11, 2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquinus

RISC CPU cores tend to be smaller than CISC's. Depending on when this CPU could come out, I could be on a smaller process that could cram a lot of processing power in a CPU. Not to say that a console needs this, but I don't see it being unreasonable. MS isn't saying this is coming out this year. I could easily see this in 2-3 years from now.

thats a fair point actually, and not something i'd considered. for all we know they'll up the power of the GPU as well (crossfire? beefier model) before it comes out as well.

Kreij · Apr 11, 2012, 12:09 PM

Maybe IBM's new optochip technology is a lot closer to prime time than we know.

visz963 · Apr 11, 2012, 12:19 PM

But can it play Crysis?

FordGT90Concept · Apr 11, 2012, 12:34 PM

As I said in the other thread, how do we know these are 16 virtual cores like Xbox 360's 6 virtual cores? That would imply it has 8 physical cores with SMP. Considering Xbox 360 had 3 physical cores with SMP 7 years ago, that isn't unlikely. Even 16 physical cores with SMP doesn't sound unreasonable because we're talking Power PC RISC processors, not x86 CISC processors.

arunmcops · Apr 11, 2012, 01:02 PM

proof......

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6...m05s021512.jpg

entropy13 · Apr 11, 2012, 01:28 PM

The proletariat does not need more cores.

Ferrum Master · Apr 11, 2012, 01:28 PM

Bullshit... it is a quad core with 4 threads on each core... I suspect a weak performer...

Slide

Hayder_Master · Apr 11, 2012, 01:36 PM

thanks god, i hate consoles but that's mean new improvement in games graphics for PC.
no more crappy engine to force games run smooth on consoles.

Katanai · Apr 11, 2012, 01:47 PM

No! It's gonna have forty cores, no wait, make that fifty. Why, you ask? Because I dreamed that last night just like the original source of this "article".

JrRacinFan · Apr 11, 2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferrum Master

Bullshit... it is a quad core with 4 threads on each core.[/URL]

So, in reality, it's LIKE Bulldozer/Piledriver .....

Just a quick glance at the slide.

NinkobEi · Apr 11, 2012, 01:52 PM

Well the 16core cpu is likely not the quality of an intel one. If each core is as powerful as AMD's ol socket 939 cpus then that sounds about right

faramir · Apr 11, 2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LDNL

A 16 core for what? ~300€/$? Sounds too good to be true

That's because it 99.99% is (too good to be true that is); it's mostlikely a 16 thread CPU, with 4 physical cores.

AphexDreamer · Apr 11, 2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by arunmcops

proof......

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6...m05s021512.jpg

Also it says TurboCore. Isn't that an AMD thing?

Yellow&Nerdy? · Apr 11, 2012, 02:27 PM

It is 16 cores, but not 16 conventional x86-x64 cores. I bet that the performance won't be that far away from "Orbis", which has a conventional quad-core.

ZoneDymo · Apr 11, 2012, 03:26 PM

Bull to the shit, that is all.

TheMailMan78 · Apr 11, 2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Grings

Does this mean we will need at least 16 core pc's to play bad ports properly now?

Yes. Thats exactly what this means.

Delta6326 · Apr 11, 2012, 03:54 PM

HAHAHAHAHA Thats funny they think they are going to put a 16 core Proc in a Box that is around 12" x 10"(just a guess) when SERVERS are starting to make a bigger move to 16Cores+ and can cost well over $600+...

Now if they meant to say 16 threads then this is a different story.

Patriot · Apr 11, 2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow&Nerdy?

It is 16 cores, but not 16 conventional x86-x64 cores. I bet that the performance won't be that far away from "Orbis", which has a conventional quad-core.

Facepalm...
one more time "It is 16 cores, but not 16 conventional x86-x64 cores. "
No...no it is not. 4 cores with 4 threads per core is not a 16 core cpu.
It is a quad core with 16 threads.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6...m05s021512.jpg

Rather interesting that IBM is making it at GF though... guess that is due to the GCN gfx part.

AMD made their first "fusion" with IBM in the Xbox 360...I wonder what they will gain from this venture.

Grings · Apr 11, 2012, 05:13 PM

Interesting that that slide shows a 'Blu Ray 3D hardware decoder'

Guess it will have a Blu Ray drive after all

Patriot · Apr 11, 2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Delta6326

HAHAHAHAHA Thats funny they think they are going to put a 16 core Proc in a Box that is around 12" x 10"(just a guess) when SERVERS are starting to make a bigger move to 16Cores+ and can cost well over $600+...

Now if they meant to say 16 threads then this is a different story.

meant or not...it the source says 4c/16t

Dent1 · Apr 11, 2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NC37

A lot of cores doesn't always translate to extra performance. Bulldozer showed us that.

That is like comparing apples to oranges! Bulldozer is a desktop CPU, developers don't optimised most PC games.

Console hardware dates quickly so developers are forced and encouraged to utilise the hardware, thus making your point invalid.

[H]@RD5TUFF · Apr 11, 2012, 06:28 PM

And it will still be an underpowered lump of garbage.

theoneandonlymrk · Apr 11, 2012, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriot

Facepalm...
one more time "It is 16 cores, but not 16 conventional x86-x64 cores. "
No...no it is not. 4 cores with 4 threads per core is not a 16 core cpu.
It is a quad core with 16 threads.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6...m05s021512.jpg

Rather interesting that IBM is making it at GF though... guess that is due to the GCN gfx part.

AMD made their first "fusion" with IBM in the Xbox 360...I wonder what they will gain from this venture.

Im finding the shared with gfx 80mb edram interesting, its allmost sounding like a conflab between Amd and Ibm , and im half thinking that if this isnt made SOC ,its being designed to become SOC at a later point

just with the blu ray decode mentioned plus the shared memory it almost sounds like they maybe putting the cores and gpu in the same silicon, which is quite doable since these arent 16 cores just 4 overprovisioned(ALA BD PD) plus a gpu element would fit ,hang on that config has a name

all just ramblings and speculation obv

ZoneDymo · Apr 11, 2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dent1

That is like comparing apples to oranges! Bulldozer is a desktop CPU, developers don't optimised most PC games.

Console hardware dates quickly so developers are forced and encouraged to utilise the hardware, thus making your point invalid.

You know there is more then "gaming" right?
NC37 comment still stands, you are the one who has no point.

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Case:	Custom(modded) thermaltake Kandalf / random black rubbish
Sound Card:	Xfi creative 7.1 on board / low fi realtek onboard
PSU:	corsair 1200AX / modded corsair 850TX
Software:	Win8 Pro.win7 Ultimate x64 licensed
Benchmarks:	13.62K best overall sandra so far, Unigine 2500 @1680x1050 default, 3dmark11 8534 3dmark firestrike

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