TIM is Behind Ivy Bridge Temperatures After All

[badtaylorx]

troll...nice try
i know you're a modderator but http://lmgtfy.com/?q=troll

this is on topic and fairly unemotional.....
not a troll

oh well i suppose you can lead a horse to watter

[n-ster]

Originally Posted by badtaylorx

oh realy....has intel or amd EVER warranted physical damage???

your point? I don't cover fans in the warranty I give when I sell my custom builds, but I still put a fan grill if needed so that exposed fans are protected from wandering fingers, pens etc

Why woulld I want the customer to think I product is weak and not built well? Why would I want my customers to break their new toy and get frustrated when told it isn't covered?

your point is idiotic

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by badtaylorx

troll...nice try
i know you're a modderator but http://lmgtfy.com/?q=troll

this is on topic and fairly unemotional.....
not a troll

oh well i suppose you can lead a horse to watter

How many cpus have you run delidded?

[badtaylorx]

one (c2d e6400)

and no the point was not idiotic. the point was that cpu companies DO NOT put an "internal heat spreader" on a die to protect the die from customers crushing them. they'd be called a protective shim or something like that. to call somebody an idiot because of ignorance.....now thats troll'n!!!

ive been reading through some ihs american patent aps today and one thing that comes up often is the term "hotspots"...certain parts of the die get much hotter than others and there is a need to have a medium that evens (spreads) the heat out.

[theoneandonlymrk]

Originally Posted by badtaylorx

but only uses a shim arround their (cooler) gpu chip???

because hardly anyone bar the manufacturer touches the shroud and hence gpu but , the cpu is almost allways handled in some way and built by man is built by man and Amd use a bigger IHS as i said as a save a chip measure as light tim and HS contact on said bare chip with load would pop it ,but with said IHS it wont pop( most of time it will shutdown) in fact read my last post again would yah i mentioned low refit chips like NBs and Southbridges Gdamn it

Originally Posted by badtaylorx

ive been reading through some ihs american patent aps today and one thing that comes up often is the term "hotspots"...certain parts of the die get much hotter than others and there is a need to have a medium that evens (spreads) the heat out.

as does a well fitted HS on a bare chip

Why do you think its called an Integrated HEAT sink, its integrated and just like a mounted HS its a Heatsink by your reckoning i should maybe get a solid water block with side ports and then mount a third fan heatsink on top ot the WB and IHS to increase again my thermal POwers

3s better then two right, two's better then one and maybe ill fit some wheels on the outside of my cars wheels so ig goes faster , cos itll grip better

[badtaylorx]

how would adding another hsf on top of the waterblock NOT help as long as it has access to ambient air???

it's good there is oneandonly of you....you keep slipping into this land of make believe stuff..

what you're describing is not too far from a coolermaster v10 though(worst purchase ever btw)

just a guess oneandonly.....you think 94octane gas burns hotter and faster than 87 dont you....

[theoneandonlymrk]

Originally Posted by badtaylorx

what you're describing is not too far from a coolermaster v10 though(worst purchase ever btw)

i appreciate you auto answering your self , its worse because the fan HSF would possibly pull heat into the water in a poorly vented ,rad front case but wouldnt really cool any better anyway and wtf , i was being sarcastic

there is only one of me , their are many like me and a many better then me but thats not you on the topic of thermodynamics apparently, and im an engineer not a phycisist or anything all that technical, just good old hands on tried it type inteligence with enough maths to keep my brain working, if you can carry away more heat you remove more heat and the discrepencies you speak of between an enthusiast fitting his own lid correctly verse the same plus intel fitting one inbetween a bit shit dont exist.

Originally Posted by badtaylorx

just a guess oneandonly.....you think 94octane gas burns hotter and faster than 87 dont you....

whats this mock nameing me shit lmao

i think you should read this then as it clearly states im no chemist and since the only contact i have with fuel is putting the overpriced shit in my car why would i care which is better i put the soddin cheapest in obviously ,, helo engineer not phycisist

im fully aware of hotspots onchip btw ,did you know intel and ibm are messing with on die peltiers , micro peltiers in silicone

[badtaylorx]

you brought cars into this. not me

no.....article??? thats interesting

[theoneandonlymrk]

Originally Posted by badtaylorx

you brought cars into this. not me

no.....article??? thats interesting

dude the cars bit was sarcasm but fair enough, i Read about that ages ago so sorry no link , il try my googlefoo an update if lucky.

http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22016/

im not hunting all night but theres one

[Xzibit]

If this is true. This is an interesting twist to the Temp issue.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2012/05/...better_temps63

Guess Ivy-bridge doesnt report temps like in the past according to ASUS. Monitoring software needs to be compatible.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by Xzibit

If this is true. This is an interesting twist to the Temp issue.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2012/05/...better_temps63

Guess Ivy-bridge doesnt report temps like in the past according to ASUS. Monitoring software needs to be compatible.

Interesting... So what are the temperature differences? Higher, lower?

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by erocker

Interesting... So what are the temperature differences? Higher, lower?

I'll post screenshots tonight. I mentionedin this thread or another I thought there were reported wrong, but haven't ahd a chip to comfirm. WIll have 3570k in a couple of hours. I am nearly 99% sure temps are reported higher than they are, and many people that think it's running hot, are jsut using the wrong software.

[Wrigleyvillain]

Relying on any software for such inherently sucks...

[n-ster]

damn if its software I was baited into buying SB-E I don't exactly regret it though

[RAJOD]

That is another way of looking at it. Direct contact with the core is the best. But OMG so many people are going to crack off the corner of the chip. That was an issue in the past and one of the reasons they went with a soldered IHS.
Saved many cpus.

Originally Posted by DualAmdMP

I think you are wrong about Intel. I'm actually glad that they used TIM instead of solder on the core. You need to try to put a waterblock directly on the core (once in your life) and you will be surprised how well it conducts heat into water compare to IHS + waterblock. XS forum has a lot of info on this topic.

I has few Athlon X2 (65nm/90nm) running with waterblock directly on the Core. No matter how much voltage i pumped into the CPU, the temperatures were always great!

I hope AMD doesthe same thing with their new FX line.

If you don't care about watercooling the CPU for max overclock or low temperature, then just ignore me

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

I'll post screenshots tonight. I mentionedin this thread or another I thought there were reported wrong, but haven't ahd a chip to comfirm. WIll have 3570k in a couple of hours. I am nearly 99% sure temps are reported higher than they are, and many people that think it's running hot, are jsut using the wrong software.

So...





Actual voltage is 1.128 V (via digital multi-meter).

Relatively speaking, temps could be considered hot, but given clocks, it doesn't seem so. Same thing as SB for me, but with lower voltage. FAR lower voltage. The i7 3820 is running similar temps @ 4.5 GHz, but with 1.35 V.


Can't say there's much reason to complain...?

[Wile E]

Now delid it and run it again to put the argument to bed once and for all. lol.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Now delid it and run it again to put the argument to bed once and for all. lol.

Meh. What argument? It's undeniable temps seem high, but whther thats software, the TIM, or what, doesn't really matter to me when temps are at those levels.

Sure, you wanna OC to the max, pull the lid, slap on some coolaboratory pro, and get what you want...


If ya want a warranty, live with it? Not gonna matter what's in between in that case, is it? If you wanna clock within warranty, spend tha extra $25, and forget about it? That'll be MY option...

[Wile E]

No, I mean the guy saying that removing the lid results in HIGHER temps than putting it back on with good tim.

Oh come on, take one for the team. lol

[eidairaman1]

Originally Posted by Wile E

No, I mean the guy saying that removing the lid results in HIGHER temps than putting it back on with good tim.

Oh come on, take one for the team. lol

Of Course only time Higher temps occur is if the Die doesnt make full contact with the Heatsink or left the TIM/Thermal Compound off.

I look at it this way

Regular Joes will never remove the IHS- Works fine for them

Ones who are overclockers- remove the IHS and put a better TIM on and just use the IHS cuz they feel they need it to ensure they dont damage the CPU

Extreme overclockers- Understand the full risk of direct HS contact and crushing of core- have money to back it up

[MetalRacer]

Originally Posted by Xzibit

If this is true. This is an interesting twist to the Temp issue.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2012/05/...better_temps63

Guess Ivy-bridge doesnt report temps like in the past according to ASUS. Monitoring software needs to be compatible.

Before Ivy Bridge was released I ask uncleweb if RealTemp was reading temps correctly and this was his reply: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...&postcount=993

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by MetalRacer

Before Ivy Bridge was released I ask uncleweb if RealTemp was reading temps correctly and this was his reply: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...&postcount=993

There are differences between CoreTemp, Realtemp, and AIDA, as "stated by ASUS":




Who is right? I dunno. What I do know is that the reported 11c temp on the 4th core is impossible, and AIDA does not report that low, although overall, AIDA reports lower temps, and as the temps increase, that difference of max temps widens...

Originally Posted by Wile E

No, I mean the guy saying that removing the lid results in HIGHER temps than putting it back on with good tim.

Oh come on, take one for the team. lol

You and I both know that how the TIM is applied, what TIM is used, and a myriad of other factors can each play their role. Because removing the IHS requires removing the retention bracket, and I'll be using this chip for reviews, I will not remove the IHS, but, if the other chip I am expecting shows up, I will definitely pop the top on that one, and see what's what. I cannot do so until i have a backup chip.

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

There are differences between CoreTemp, Realtemp, and AIDA, as "stated by ASUS":

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/at...1&d=1337529624


Who is right? I dunno. What I do know is that the reported 11c temp on the 4th core is impossible, and AIDA does not report that low, although overall, AIDA reports lower temps, and as the temps increase, that difference of max temps widens...



You and I both know that how the TIM is applied, what TIM is used, and a myriad of other factors can each play their role. Because removing the IHS requires removing the retention bracket, and I'll be using this chip for reviews, I will not remove the IHS, but, if the other chip I am expecting shows up, I will definitely pop the top on that one, and see what's what. I cannot do so until i have a backup chip.

I look forward to results if you do get that backup chip. I want to see some more examples of how much it helps (or doesn't).

[Laurijan]

I am currently running a i5-3570K with a Noctua NH-D14 cooler at stock bios settings.
I get about 25C-32C idle and 57C-61C with prime95 max heat test.
Is that good for an Ivy?

Edit: I didnt pop the IHS

[beck24]

The problem with IVY is that it as relatively poor over clocker, not that its bad at stock speeds.